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I am okay with tightening up voter registration. That will actually have an impact on voter fraud.Utterly absurd. The verification is the prospective voter's sworn statement.
How is the state going to verify that the presented verification of address is not fake?
So now you want an FBI background check on every prospective voter to verify the address? At some point no matter how you do it - someone is taking someone's word for it.
You do realize that don't you?
So if that proves your point - then you have been arguing against address requirements ???
Odd.
I am also okay with a proper purging of voter registration rolls. This will remove the deceased and those who have moved out of the voting district. Key word: proper. Some of the purges have been done incompetently. But when done properly, this will prevent someone voting in a deceased or relocated person's name.
I also like the electronic system that has been put in place in several states that keeps track of when someone has voted so if they try to vote in more than one place, it triggers an alert. This has actually caught fraudsters.
Not only am I okay with these things, I think we should be doing them in earnest.
Voter ID has not done shit. It is a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Allow me to repeat myself - that is not the only way to verify voting qualifications. And since there are other - less restrictive ways - then disqualifying a person from voting because they are homeless is not a legitimate restriction on voting rights.
For example a person can register in one, and only one, precinct and only be allowed to vote in the precinct they register in.
Homeless man: "I usually sleep under the bridge at 57th and 14th streets.
Election official: "Ok, that's precinct 98. That is your voting precinct and you'll vote at the King Community Center on 58th. You know where that is? Now, we're going to print your voter registration/voter ID (with photo). It will take about 15 minutes."
Too many people have fought and died to secure the right to vote for all Americans for us to just piss that away for no legitimate reason.
I disagree. I think a person should EARN the right to vote. Would I make "have a home" a requirement? No, but for sure most homeless wouldn't meet my requirements.
Have you ever noticed that people who select a screen name that attests to their intelligence are some of the most idiotic posters on these boards.
I guess it just goes to show you ... you don't have to try to TELL people you are intelligent. If you really ARE intelligent, they'll know.
Allow me to repeat myself - that is not the only way to verify voting qualifications. And since there are other - less restrictive ways - then disqualifying a person from voting because they are homeless is not a legitimate restriction on voting rights.
For example a person can register in one, and only one, precinct and only be allowed to vote in the precinct they register in.
Homeless man: "I usually sleep under the bridge at 57th and 14th streets.
Election official: "Ok, that's precinct 98. That is your voting precinct and you'll vote at the King Community Center on 58th. You know where that is? Now, we're going to print your voter registration/voter ID (with photo). It will take about 15 minutes."
Too many people have fought and died to secure the right to vote for all Americans for us to just piss that away for no legitimate reason.
I disagree. I think a person should EARN the right to vote. Would I make "have a home" a requirement? No, but for sure most homeless wouldn't meet my requirements.
Have you ever noticed that people who select a screen name that attests to their intelligence are some of the most idiotic posters on these boards.
I guess it just goes to show you ... you don't have to try to TELL people you are intelligent. If you really ARE intelligent, they'll know.
So, you can't refute the fact that requiring an ID to buy a gun but complaining about ID to vote is hypocritical eh?
Clearly, they don't want homeless people to be able to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.So, you can't refute the fact that requiring an ID to buy a gun but complaining about ID to vote is hypocritical eh?
"Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID?"
Because there's no objective, documented evidence that voter fraud by identity exists to the extent that the outcome of any election was changed.
Because voters provide identification when they register to vote, where to require voters to 'prove' who they are at every election absent evidence that a given voter is indeed attempting to commit fraud, assumes the voter is 'guilty' and must prove himself innocent. That's not how our legal system works.
And because of the above, voter ID laws manifest an undue burden to the fundamental right to vote, as the state has failed to meet its requirement to justify placing restrictions on that right, rendering voter ID laws invalid and un-Constitutional.
Let me put it another way:"Yes... because being able to vote because you can claim your name is Joe and live under the 82nd street bridge is just as secure and requiring a state-issued photo ID with an address."
How are YOU going to verify that the ID, or any of the documentation presented to obtain that ID, is not fraudulent?
By his own law, he would have been disenfranchised, for that election, if not for an amendment offered by Wendy Davis, who was also blocked from voting, that would allow other documents as proof that the different names applied to the same people,Texas AG and Gov candidate Greg Abbott can buy liquor with his ID, but can't vote with it:Does a liquor store ask for ID because they don't want to sell liquor to one who can legally buy liquor?
Or is the law in place that they must ask for ID to ensure one who can NOT legally buy liquor, does not do so?
Do you believe that people who can legally buy liquor, do not because they don't want to go through the hassle of showing ID?
Would you say the law that was passed that insisted on liquor stores asking for ID was designed to suppress liquor sales to those that can legally buy liquor?
"Abbott was flagged because his license lists his name as “Gregory Wayne Abbott” while his voter registration record simply calls him “Greg Abbott."
"
Surely you're not suggesting Abbott wasn't allowed to vote.
My 94 year old mother, who has voted
republican in every election since WWII, was blocked from voting by this law, even though the local election judge knew her quite well.
By his own law, he would have been disenfranchised, for that election, if not for an amendment offered by Wendy Davis, who was also blocked from voting, that would allow other documents as proof that the different names applied to the same people,Texas AG and Gov candidate Greg Abbott can buy liquor with his ID, but can't vote with it:Does a liquor store ask for ID because they don't want to sell liquor to one who can legally buy liquor?
Or is the law in place that they must ask for ID to ensure one who can NOT legally buy liquor, does not do so?
Do you believe that people who can legally buy liquor, do not because they don't want to go through the hassle of showing ID?
Would you say the law that was passed that insisted on liquor stores asking for ID was designed to suppress liquor sales to those that can legally buy liquor?
"Abbott was flagged because his license lists his name as “Gregory Wayne Abbott” while his voter registration record simply calls him “Greg Abbott."
"
Surely you're not suggesting Abbott wasn't allowed to vote.
My 94 year old mother, who has voted
republican in every election since WWII, was blocked from voting by this law, even though the local election judge knew her quite well.
Her amendment allowed a person to sign an affidavit to verify their identity. Which is all your dear old Mother had to do to vote.
you truly are an asshole.Still using the cop out by saying it is apples and oranges without backing it up, I see.Does a liquor store ask for ID because they don't want to sell liquor to one who can legally buy liquor?
Still going with the Apples and Oranges Fallacy? Really?
That twice in one thread....and over a dozen times in the past few weeks.
I get tired of explaining the stupidity of that liquor ID bullshit. And I have explained it several times in the past few weeks.
But I guess you willfully blind yourself to avoid seeing how stupid the argument is.
There is only one way to prove someone is of age at the point of purchase for liquor, and that is with an ID.
Got it? Has that sunk in? Don't let it slide off your brain as I add some more explanation. Hold onto that. I'll say it again. There is only one way to prove someone is of age at the point of purchase for liquor, and that is with an ID.
So there is your Apple.
Here's the Orange: Voter ID has never been proven, not even once, to be the only means to stop or prevent the types of voter fraud which occur.
Let's put those two statements together so you can write them down. And let's color-code them and make them real big so you can't say I avoid splainin the fallacy of your argument:
Apple: There is only one way to prove someone is of age at the point of purchase for liquor, and that is with an ID.
Orange: Voter ID has never been proven, not even once, to be the only means to stop or prevent the types of voter fraud which occur.
Now copy this down. Write it on a Post-It Note and stick it on your computer so you never, ever make this ridiculous mistake again.
By his own law, he would have been disenfranchised, for that election, if not for an amendment offered by Wendy Davis, who was also blocked from voting, that would allow other documents as proof that the different names applied to the same people,Texas AG and Gov candidate Greg Abbott can buy liquor with his ID, but can't vote with it:Does a liquor store ask for ID because they don't want to sell liquor to one who can legally buy liquor?
Or is the law in place that they must ask for ID to ensure one who can NOT legally buy liquor, does not do so?
Do you believe that people who can legally buy liquor, do not because they don't want to go through the hassle of showing ID?
Would you say the law that was passed that insisted on liquor stores asking for ID was designed to suppress liquor sales to those that can legally buy liquor?
"Abbott was flagged because his license lists his name as “Gregory Wayne Abbott” while his voter registration record simply calls him “Greg Abbott."
"
Surely you're not suggesting Abbott wasn't allowed to vote.
My 94 year old mother, who has voted
republican in every election since WWII, was blocked from voting by this law, even though the local election judge knew her quite well.
Her amendment allowed a person to sign an affidavit to verify their identity. Which is all your dear old Mother had to do to vote.
Pretty much the same thing (sign an affidavit) that would allow homeless people to vote.
Oh, the horror ....
An interesting dissection of what is really behind the Democrats obsession with voter ID's!
Lots of folks think Democrats oppose voter ID laws because they want to cheat and such laws interfere with their plans. That’s an attractive explanation, but it ignores the far more complex architecture of voter ID opposition. Here’s the real reasons Democrats oppose voter ID. Understanding these three reasons will help you decode the whole narrative behind voter ID. 1. Opposition to Voter ID Is a Base-Mobilization Tool. Simply, Democrats and civil rights groups spend millions of dollars opposing voter ID because they are trying to scare minority voters into thinking that Jim Crow is back. If Jim Crow is...
The PJ Tatler Why Do Democrats Oppose Voter ID
By his own law, he would have been disenfranchised, for that election, if not for an amendment offered by Wendy Davis, who was also blocked from voting, that would allow other documents as proof that the different names applied to the same people,Texas AG and Gov candidate Greg Abbott can buy liquor with his ID, but can't vote with it:
"Abbott was flagged because his license lists his name as “Gregory Wayne Abbott” while his voter registration record simply calls him “Greg Abbott."
"
Surely you're not suggesting Abbott wasn't allowed to vote.
My 94 year old mother, who has voted
republican in every election since WWII, was blocked from voting by this law, even though the local election judge knew her quite well.
Her amendment allowed a person to sign an affidavit to verify their identity. Which is all your dear old Mother had to do to vote.
Pretty much the same thing (sign an affidavit) that would allow homeless people to vote.
Oh, the horror ....
In Texas homeless people do not need to live in a shelter to register to vote, they can be living on the street. No mailing address is required.
By his own law, he would have been disenfranchised, for that election, if not for an amendment offered by Wendy Davis, who was also blocked from voting, that would allow other documents as proof that the different names applied to the same people,Surely you're not suggesting Abbott wasn't allowed to vote.
My 94 year old mother, who has voted
republican in every election since WWII, was blocked from voting by this law, even though the local election judge knew her quite well.
Her amendment allowed a person to sign an affidavit to verify their identity. Which is all your dear old Mother had to do to vote.
Pretty much the same thing (sign an affidavit) that would allow homeless people to vote.
Oh, the horror ....
In Texas homeless people do not need to live in a shelter to register to vote, they can be living on the street. No mailing address is required.
I believe Texas got that part right.
I don't have any problems with voter IDs - photo or otherwise. But I think they should be free and easily obtainable for all classes of citizens - even the homeless.
By his own law, he would have been disenfranchised, for that election, if not for an amendment offered by Wendy Davis, who was also blocked from voting, that would allow other documents as proof that the different names applied to the same people,Texas AG and Gov candidate Greg Abbott can buy liquor with his ID, but can't vote with it:Does a liquor store ask for ID because they don't want to sell liquor to one who can legally buy liquor?
Or is the law in place that they must ask for ID to ensure one who can NOT legally buy liquor, does not do so?
Do you believe that people who can legally buy liquor, do not because they don't want to go through the hassle of showing ID?
Would you say the law that was passed that insisted on liquor stores asking for ID was designed to suppress liquor sales to those that can legally buy liquor?
"Abbott was flagged because his license lists his name as “Gregory Wayne Abbott” while his voter registration record simply calls him “Greg Abbott."
"
Surely you're not suggesting Abbott wasn't allowed to vote.
My 94 year old mother, who has voted
republican in every election since WWII, was blocked from voting by this law, even though the local election judge knew her quite well.
Her amendment allowed a person to sign an affidavit to verify their identity. Which is all your dear old Mother had to do to vote.
You see this post, Jarhead? You still reading this topic?So, you can't refute the fact that requiring an ID to buy a gun but complaining about ID to vote is hypocritical eh?
By his own law, he would have been disenfranchised, for that election, if not for an amendment offered by Wendy Davis, who was also blocked from voting, that would allow other documents as proof that the different names applied to the same people,
My 94 year old mother, who has voted
republican in every election since WWII, was blocked from voting by this law, even though the local election judge knew her quite well.
Her amendment allowed a person to sign an affidavit to verify their identity. Which is all your dear old Mother had to do to vote.
Pretty much the same thing (sign an affidavit) that would allow homeless people to vote.
Oh, the horror ....
In Texas homeless people do not need to live in a shelter to register to vote, they can be living on the street. No mailing address is required.
I believe Texas got that part right.
I don't have any problems with voter IDs - photo or otherwise. But I think they should be free and easily obtainable for all classes of citizens - even the homeless.
They are absolutely free here in Texas and I assume the same is in every state that requires them.
Seriously how many people do you know personally that does not have some form of photo ID?
By his own law, he would have been disenfranchised, for that election, if not for an amendment offered by Wendy Davis, who was also blocked from voting, that would allow other documents as proof that the different names applied to the same people,
My 94 year old mother, who has voted
republican in every election since WWII, was blocked from voting by this law, even though the local election judge knew her quite well.
Her amendment allowed a person to sign an affidavit to verify their identity. Which is all your dear old Mother had to do to vote.
Pretty much the same thing (sign an affidavit) that would allow homeless people to vote.
Oh, the horror ....
In Texas homeless people do not need to live in a shelter to register to vote, they can be living on the street. No mailing address is required.
I believe Texas got that part right.
I don't have any problems with voter IDs - photo or otherwise. But I think they should be free and easily obtainable for all classes of citizens - even the homeless.
They are absolutely free here in Texas and I assume the same is in every state that requires them.
Seriously how many people do you know personally that does not have some form of photo ID?
They are absolutely free here in Texas and I assume the same is in every state that requires them.
Seriously how many people do you know personally that does not have some form of photo ID?
By his own law, he would have been disenfranchised, for that election, if not for an amendment offered by Wendy Davis, who was also blocked from voting, that would allow other documents as proof that the different names applied to the same people,Texas AG and Gov candidate Greg Abbott can buy liquor with his ID, but can't vote with it:Does a liquor store ask for ID because they don't want to sell liquor to one who can legally buy liquor?
Or is the law in place that they must ask for ID to ensure one who can NOT legally buy liquor, does not do so?
Do you believe that people who can legally buy liquor, do not because they don't want to go through the hassle of showing ID?
Would you say the law that was passed that insisted on liquor stores asking for ID was designed to suppress liquor sales to those that can legally buy liquor?
"Abbott was flagged because his license lists his name as “Gregory Wayne Abbott” while his voter registration record simply calls him “Greg Abbott."
"
Surely you're not suggesting Abbott wasn't allowed to vote.
My 94 year old mother, who has voted
republican in every election since WWII, was blocked from voting by this law, even though the local election judge knew her quite well.
Her amendment allowed a person to sign an affidavit to verify their identity. Which is all your dear old Mother had to do to vote.
Republican intent was to send her packing, with no options, which is what would have happened without the Davis amendment. As it was, she had no idea this would happen, and not all election officials had a clue. She thinks she was given a provisional ballot, and it was counted. I don't think it was counted.
The intent was voter suppression, clear and simple.
