Why are some people so afraid of God??

[Bullypulpit]

Your certainty of a meaningless life with your own morality is very comforting. So you feel that there is no ultimate justice for your own actions and deeds toward others. No payoffs or rewards are offered or guaranteed in your actions towards others in this lifetime of yours.

In that you are quite wrong. Human life is the yardstick by which the consequences of my actions are measured. Those actions which lead to the harm of myself, others or both are condemned. Those which are beneficial to myself, others or both may be freely undertaken.

If my actions are harmful to myself or others, justice will come in the form of the judgement of my peers. The payoff, the reward, lies in the satisfaction of doing good for myself and others and the earned respect of those around me. I don't need the promise of an after-life to be a moral person.

 

[ajwps]

In that you are quite wrong. Human life is the yardstick by which the consequences of my actions are measured. Those actions which lead to the harm of myself, others or both are condemned. Those which are beneficial to myself, others or both may be freely undertaken.

If my actions are harmful to myself or others, justice will come in the form of the judgement of my peers. The payoff, the reward, lies in the satisfaction of doing good for myself and others and the earned respect of those around me. I don't need the promise of an after-life to be a moral person.

So you rely on your peers for condemnation of evil men or you perpetrate against your fellow humans? How many of the most heinous humans in history have died peacefully in their beds while small children die of cancer?

How long a yardstick do you use to measure this earthly justice by?

So you don't believe in some kind of ultimate universal justice for the moral actions of men? How were men like Adolph Hitler brought to human justice before they had killed so many millions of other humans that any justice of a bullet to his Parkinsonian brain was some measure of peer judgement?

You are correct in your thinking that there is no way of knowing about some form of final or equivalent justice awaiting mankind. But ultimately everyone will find out if there is in the end just a return to the original star dust particles or an appearance before a greater judgement from which all that stardust particle life originated.

No one has long to wait for that information in the short life time of man.

 

[Bullypulpit]

So you rely on your peers for condemnation of evil men or you perpetrate against your fellow humans? How many of the most heinous humans in history have died peacefully in their beds while small children die of cancer?

How long a yardstick do you use to measure this earthly justice by?

So you don't believe in some kind of ultimate universal justice for the moral actions of men? How were men like Adolph Hitler brought to human justice before they had killed so many millions of other humans that any justice of a bullet to his Parkinsonian brain was some measure of peer judgement?

You are correct in your thinking that there is no way of knowing about some form of final or equivalent justice awaiting mankind. But ultimately everyone will find out if there is in the end just a return to the original star dust particles or an appearance before a greater judgement from which all that stardust particle life originated.

No one has long to wait for that information in the short life time of man.

That the guilty die unpunished in this world is the fault of those willing to let them go unpunished.

Regardless of whether you believe in a supreme being or not, the simple fact is that the only justice we will find is the justice we make in this world.

 

[NewGuy]

the simple fact is that the only justice we will find is the justice we make in this world.

And an incredibly educated person can prove a simple fact, right?

 

[Bullypulpit]

And an incredibly educated person can prove a simple fact, right?

One need do nothing more than look around. Don't see anything in the way of divine justice. Merely the evil that men do and the justice that other men mete out.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

One need do nothing more than look around. Don't see anything in the way of divine justice. Merely the evil that men do and the justice that other men mete out.

The socialism you advocate is no justice. it causes economies to fail, and then comes starvation and genocide. But if your an environmentalist that's just fine. Humanity is a pox on the earth anyway, in that perverted morality which assigns a moral good to human death. How proud you must be.

 

[Bullypulpit]

The socialism you advocate is no justice. it causes economies to fail, and then comes starvation and genocide. But if your an environmentalist that's just fine. Humanity is a pox on the earth anyway, in that perverted morality which assigns a moral good to human death. How proud you must be.

How you arrive at socialism from a discussion about objective, consequence based ethics is beyond me. Socialism and communism both replace the godhead with the state. Thus the individual is sacrificed upon the altar of the state rather than the blood-stained altar of some imaginary deity.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

How you arrive at socialism from a discussion about objective, consequence based ethics is beyond me. Socialism and communism both replace the godhead with the state. Thus the individual is sacrificed upon the altar of the state rather than the blood-stained altar of some imaginary deity.

read carefully this time. Socialism is a value system. It's effects on humanity, it's consequences if you will, are negative in the long term; economies fail and people die.

Let's not sacrifice the individual at all, how about that? I and most conservatives do not advocate theocracy, but personal responsibility, which VALUES the individual.

By the way, this is another strawman argument. Conservatism is not sacrificing the individual to the godhead. You define something wrongly and then argue against your wrong definition. get a brain, scarecrow.

 

[ajwps]

That the guilty die unpunished in this world is the fault of those willing to let them go unpunished.

Regardless of whether you believe in a supreme being or not, the simple fact is that the only justice we will find is the justice we make in this world.

Who are 'those' people who are at fault for not letting heinous criminals die in their bed? How does one go about finding serial killers who are never found or the Osamas who hide out in their mountain caves to be found for justice?

Give some proof other than your opinion that there is no form of 'universal justice.' Actually as you may know there is no way to prove that there is a form of ultimate justice, either one way or the other.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Who are 'those' people who are at fault for not letting heinous criminals die in their bed? How does one go about finding serial killers who are never found or the Osamas who hide out in their mountain caves to be found for justice?

Give some proof other than your opinion that there is no form of 'universal justice.' Actually as you may know there is no way to prove that there is a form of ultimate justice, either one way or the other.

Provide some other proof, besides your own opinion of course, that there is a supreme being.

 

[ajwps]

Provide some other proof, besides your own opinion of course, that there is a supreme being.

Nice.... Answering my question with the same question in reverse. But if you look at my last post you will see my answer to your proof question.

Actually as you may know there is NO way to prove or disprove that there is any form of ultimate justice one way or the other.

You will just have to take my word for it......

 

[dilloduck]

Nice.... Answering my question with the same question in reverse. But if you look at my last post you will see my answer to your proof question.



You will just have to take my word for it......

That's just the point AJ-----we DON'T have to take your word for it. I find Bullys' perception of justice and morality quite comforting myself. Some of us simply do not believe in a supreme being that would ask us to jump though hoops or go to "hell".

 

[5stringJeff]

Provide some other proof, besides your own opinion of course, that there is a supreme being.

The existence of life.

 

[ajwps]

That's just the point AJ-----we DON'T have to take your word for it. I find Bullys' perception of justice and morality quite comforting myself. Some of us simply do not believe in a supreme being that would ask us to jump though hoops or go to "hell".

I'm not sure of what you mean by jumping through hoops to avoid hell. I am glad you find Bullypulpits own justice and morality comforting to you. Afterall that is all that is important, feeling comfort.

Not to worry, for everybody simply dies and becomes null and void. Nothing to worry about here, let's just go and do what makes us feel good.

What rules or commandments can be enforced as there is ultimately nothing or no Supreme Being to answer to. Just wonder from where Bully derived his comforting rules of conduct and morality? Maybe he made them up in his own conscious mind?

Don't let me hold you back.

 

[dilloduck]

I'm not sure of what you mean by jumping through hoops to avoid hell. I am glad you find Bullypulpits own justice and morality comforting to you. Afterall that is all that is important, feeling comfort.

Not to worry, for everybody simply dies and becomes null and void. Nothing to worry about here, let's just go and do what makes us feel good.

What rules or commandments can be enforced as there is ultimately nothing or no Supreme Being to answer to. Just wonder from where Bully derived his comforting rules of conduct and morality? Maybe he made them up in his own conscious mind?

Don't let me hold you back.

Organized religions tell you that you must act and think in a certain manner to go to heaven. These are the hoops that I was referring to. Comfort does not equal feeling good in my mind . It's just confidence and acceptance of how things are unfolding. I am not promoting hedonism because it will not bring you comfort. What if when you get to those pearly gates there is no one there to make you justify your life? My guess is that Bully learned his ideas of right and wrong but maybe it's genetics. Guess you'll have to ask him.