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And here I thought you wanted an honest discussion. All you really want to do is kick a Latino and crack open another Pabst.W
ould you deny the benefits to American citizens because undocumented immigrants might, MIGHT just get the benefits too?At one point even high school was seen as a luxury. Then we developed factories and merchantile establishments and suddenly, high school was seen as a necessity.Society has collectively decided that a FREE K-12 education is what they’re willing to pay for....everybody has to be weaned from mama’s tit at some point...Should we pay for masters degrees and PHD’s as well? Think once bud.
“If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?”
NOPE....I use that bridge or highway, I don’t benefit from healthy litters of anchor babies at all.
Back to the drawing board you go....keep trying though.
What happens when information technology becomes the driving force in our economy? Do you think having an education system built to service and industrial economy will still be adequate?
You want to make us all afraid of immigrants. Let's set that aside. Why would it be a better society if some folks cannot visit a doctor for preventative care? What makes it a better society if some folks cannot afford medical insurance? Why should some folks who work hard every day be denied access to good health?
“You want to make us all afraid of immigrants.”
Well, If you want more free shit for yourself shouldn’t you be “afraid” of ILLEGAL immigrants sharing in said free shit....or do you honestly believe the free shit is infinite?
It's like saying I can't have a steak because a toddler might accidentally take a bite.
Are immigrants the Master Boogeyman in all things? Are they responsible for all the nation's problems? For your problems? Are they truly responsible, or the most convenient whipping boy at hand? They aren't white. They speak a different language. They're easy to kick around. And boors, bullies and the uninformed love something to kick.
Poor Loons....You just can’t wrap your simple little minds around even the most elementary of things....Look, the same bottom feeding lowlifes begging for more free shit are also begging for more free shit for all their wetback friends....fuck the filthy fucks, it doesn’t work like that. Beg for your own shit and help keep the thirdworlder cockroaches from stealing your free shit....this really isn’t all that complex or trivial...is it?
As opposed to your ancestors?They are not fellow Americans. Both their parents are foreigners, they were here in the country illegally, and their citizenship is the result of scumbag judges interpreting the Constitution incorrectly.We don't benefit from anchor babies especially when the grow up and vote for commies like Pelosi.You imagine that scenario. If education benefits all, what is the objection to tuition free community colleges or trade schools?
If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?
When all you see I see what you want to see, or have been told to see by pundits with agendas, all you can argue is the absurd, the canard, the hyperbolic. And what is good and sane about that?
Society has collectively decided that a FREE K-12 education is what they’re willing to pay for....everybody has to be weaned from mama’s tit at some point...Should we pay for masters degrees and PHD’s as well? Think once bud.
“If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?”
NOPE....I use that bridge or highway, I don’t benefit from healthy litters of anchor babies at all.
Back to the drawing board you go....keep trying though.
You are so short sighted .
You don’t benefit from a healthy child being born ? You’d rather that kid be born with a permanent disability and be an expensive ward if of the state for 70 years ??
You mean fellow Americans like the rest of us? Or are you Cherokee or somthing?
My posts, my responses have been clear, concise, well thought out and articulate. I never went down a primrose path, deflecting from the topic at hand.And here I thought you wanted an honest discussion. All you really want to do is kick a Latino and crack open another Pabst.W
ould you deny the benefits to American citizens because undocumented immigrants might, MIGHT just get the benefits too?At one point even high school was seen as a luxury. Then we developed factories and merchantile establishments and suddenly, high school was seen as a necessity.
What happens when information technology becomes the driving force in our economy? Do you think having an education system built to service and industrial economy will still be adequate?
You want to make us all afraid of immigrants. Let's set that aside. Why would it be a better society if some folks cannot visit a doctor for preventative care? What makes it a better society if some folks cannot afford medical insurance? Why should some folks who work hard every day be denied access to good health?
“You want to make us all afraid of immigrants.”
Well, If you want more free shit for yourself shouldn’t you be “afraid” of ILLEGAL immigrants sharing in said free shit....or do you honestly believe the free shit is infinite?
It's like saying I can't have a steak because a toddler might accidentally take a bite.
Are immigrants the Master Boogeyman in all things? Are they responsible for all the nation's problems? For your problems? Are they truly responsible, or the most convenient whipping boy at hand? They aren't white. They speak a different language. They're easy to kick around. And boors, bullies and the uninformed love something to kick.
Poor Loons....You just can’t wrap your simple little minds around even the most elementary of things....Look, the same bottom feeding lowlifes begging for more free shit are also begging for more free shit for all their wetback friends....fuck the filthy fucks, it doesn’t work like that. Beg for your own shit and help keep the thirdworlder cockroaches from stealing your free shit....this really isn’t all that complex or trivial...is it?
Some adult words scared you huh?
You could always just address the premise of the post...unless you finally feel stupid for begging?
I’m actually on a Ballast Point kick...Pabst is what all your lowlife buddies drink.
As opposed to your ancestors?They are not fellow Americans. Both their parents are foreigners, they were here in the country illegally, and their citizenship is the result of scumbag judges interpreting the Constitution incorrectly.We don't benefit from anchor babies especially when the grow up and vote for commies like Pelosi.Society has collectively decided that a FREE K-12 education is what they’re willing to pay for....everybody has to be weaned from mama’s tit at some point...Should we pay for masters degrees and PHD’s as well? Think once bud.
“If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?”
NOPE....I use that bridge or highway, I don’t benefit from healthy litters of anchor babies at all.
Back to the drawing board you go....keep trying though.
You are so short sighted .
You don’t benefit from a healthy child being born ? You’d rather that kid be born with a permanent disability and be an expensive ward if of the state for 70 years ??
You mean fellow Americans like the rest of us? Or are you Cherokee or somthing?
My posts, my responses have been clear, concise, well thought out and articulate. I never went down a primrose path, deflecting from the topic at hand.And here I thought you wanted an honest discussion. All you really want to do is kick a Latino and crack open another Pabst.W
ould you deny the benefits to American citizens because undocumented immigrants might, MIGHT just get the benefits too?“You want to make us all afraid of immigrants.”
Well, If you want more free shit for yourself shouldn’t you be “afraid” of ILLEGAL immigrants sharing in said free shit....or do you honestly believe the free shit is infinite?
It's like saying I can't have a steak because a toddler might accidentally take a bite.
Are immigrants the Master Boogeyman in all things? Are they responsible for all the nation's problems? For your problems? Are they truly responsible, or the most convenient whipping boy at hand? They aren't white. They speak a different language. They're easy to kick around. And boors, bullies and the uninformed love something to kick.
Poor Loons....You just can’t wrap your simple little minds around even the most elementary of things....Look, the same bottom feeding lowlifes begging for more free shit are also begging for more free shit for all their wetback friends....fuck the filthy fucks, it doesn’t work like that. Beg for your own shit and help keep the thirdworlder cockroaches from stealing your free shit....this really isn’t all that complex or trivial...is it?
Some adult words scared you huh?
You could always just address the premise of the post...unless you finally feel stupid for begging?
I’m actually on a Ballast Point kick...Pabst is what all your lowlife buddies drink.
You, on the other hand, brought your xenophobia to play. You have a preternatural ability to deflect and personally smear. You, like so many of your ilk, are not an honest broker. You want confirmation, not information. You want inculcation, not education. You want your myopic view to be regarded with respect, but never an opposing point of view. You are the problem. No initiative can be discussed on terms other than your own. And those terms are suspect from an intellectual vantage point.
Some adult words scared you, huh?My posts, my responses have been clear, concise, well thought out and articulate. I never went down a primrose path, deflecting from the topic at hand.And here I thought you wanted an honest discussion. All you really want to do is kick a Latino and crack open another Pabst.W
ould you deny the benefits to American citizens because undocumented immigrants might, MIGHT just get the benefits too?
It's like saying I can't have a steak because a toddler might accidentally take a bite.
Are immigrants the Master Boogeyman in all things? Are they responsible for all the nation's problems? For your problems? Are they truly responsible, or the most convenient whipping boy at hand? They aren't white. They speak a different language. They're easy to kick around. And boors, bullies and the uninformed love something to kick.
Poor Loons....You just can’t wrap your simple little minds around even the most elementary of things....Look, the same bottom feeding lowlifes begging for more free shit are also begging for more free shit for all their wetback friends....fuck the filthy fucks, it doesn’t work like that. Beg for your own shit and help keep the thirdworlder cockroaches from stealing your free shit....this really isn’t all that complex or trivial...is it?
Some adult words scared you huh?
You could always just address the premise of the post...unless you finally feel stupid for begging?
I’m actually on a Ballast Point kick...Pabst is what all your lowlife buddies drink.
You, on the other hand, brought your xenophobia to play. You have a preternatural ability to deflect and personally smear. You, like so many of your ilk, are not an honest broker. You want confirmation, not information. You want inculcation, not education. You want your myopic view to be regarded with respect, but never an opposing point of view. You are the problem. No initiative can be discussed on terms other than your own. And those terms are suspect from an intellectual vantage point.
WOW, I’m impressed....You can sure string together some intellectual sounding rhetoric. So what now?
Do you still want me to pay for free shit for yourself and all your wetback friends?
And that makes sense to who again?
It's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.
It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.
What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.
If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.
I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?
Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.
Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.
As opposed to your ancestors?They are not fellow Americans. Both their parents are foreigners, they were here in the country illegally, and their citizenship is the result of scumbag judges interpreting the Constitution incorrectly.We don't benefit from anchor babies especially when the grow up and vote for commies like Pelosi.You are so short sighted .
You don’t benefit from a healthy child being born ? You’d rather that kid be born with a permanent disability and be an expensive ward if of the state for 70 years ??
You mean fellow Americans like the rest of us? Or are you Cherokee or somthing?
Our ancestors are cavemen...what now Loon?
“A caveman once took another caveman’s cave....who does the cave really belong to?”
How far back do you want to go? Bad argument for you Timmy.
Well argued. Articulate, intelligent and complete.It's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.
It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.
What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.
If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.
I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?
Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.
Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.
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Unwealthy Americans cough their lungs up.Wealthy Canadians come to the US for treatment. Lines too long, medicine not as good in Canada.
I've been sick from a pneumonia, I think. No insurance because of Obama care and I am not parting with my cash for an x-ray till I hack up a lung.
'Tail gunner to pilot. Dust bunnies at nine o'clock high. Loyalty oath starboard, go.'There is no fucking difference between democratic socialism and goose-stepping communism. None. Zero.
'Citizens have rights to cough their lungs up.'There is no way in shit-flying hell that we will accept democratic socialism in America without a full-blown armed rebellion.
We will be glad to help them cough up their worthless lungs.'Citizens have rights to cough their lungs up.'There is no way in shit-flying hell that we will accept democratic socialism in America without a full-blown armed rebellion.
The wealthy do have the right to keep what they earnDo you pay taxes to support schools? I do. Uet I have no children. Do I think my tax dollars have been unfairly confiscated? I do not. Because I would rather have the kids in school developing their skills and being made ready to enter society as productive citizens than have them poorly taught and become an incurious rabble.It's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.
It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.
What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.
If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.
I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?
Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.
Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.
That’s your spin huh...you sticking with that?
I think we all know most don’t have a problem taking care of our elderly whom have paid their dues.
Why don’t you go ahead and try again.
We can't help it if you and the rest of the socialist cattle want to be slaughtered. The fact is government schools are where the government loots the innocent to pay for the brainwashing of their own children. There is no institution in American more corrupt or insidious than government run education.
Do you pay taxes to support community facilities like,parks, libraries or meeting halls? I do. Do I think my tax dollars are being unfairly confiscated for things I might not use? I do not. Because I think the increase in quality of life and property values is worth my taxes.
We all pay taxes, numskull. Property developers build recreations facilities in the communities they create. We don't need government to increase our property values.
So I think that healthcare and education are vital for our national vitality? Absolutely. Because no citizen should go bankrupt because the healthcare she needs is too expensive or worse, unavailable.
Really? Why not? You think it's perfectly OK to go bankrupt paying for lawyers because you happen to have worked in the Trump campaign at some point in your life. Why is it OK to go bankrupt for one reason, but not the other?
You can call it spin. But you also should defend why you think our health and education should be available only to those who can afford it. Is it that the right of the people is the wealthy have the right to horde their wealth while the rest of America's citizen have the right to live precariously?
The wealthy do have the right to keep what they earn. The claim that they don't is the battle cry of a thug. Life is inherently risky. There is no moral principle that says someone else has to pay to relieve you of that risk. That's your job, not theirs.
Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution.
LolIt's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.
It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.
What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.
If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.
I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?
Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.
Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.
Fuck your villageThe wealthy do have the right to keep what they earnDo you pay taxes to support schools? I do. Uet I have no children. Do I think my tax dollars have been unfairly confiscated? I do not. Because I would rather have the kids in school developing their skills and being made ready to enter society as productive citizens than have them poorly taught and become an incurious rabble.It's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.
It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.
What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.
If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.
I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?
Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.
Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.
That’s your spin huh...you sticking with that?
I think we all know most don’t have a problem taking care of our elderly whom have paid their dues.
Why don’t you go ahead and try again.
We can't help it if you and the rest of the socialist cattle want to be slaughtered. The fact is government schools are where the government loots the innocent to pay for the brainwashing of their own children. There is no institution in American more corrupt or insidious than government run education.
Do you pay taxes to support community facilities like,parks, libraries or meeting halls? I do. Do I think my tax dollars are being unfairly confiscated for things I might not use? I do not. Because I think the increase in quality of life and property values is worth my taxes.
We all pay taxes, numskull. Property developers build recreations facilities in the communities they create. We don't need government to increase our property values.
So I think that healthcare and education are vital for our national vitality? Absolutely. Because no citizen should go bankrupt because the healthcare she needs is too expensive or worse, unavailable.
Really? Why not? You think it's perfectly OK to go bankrupt paying for lawyers because you happen to have worked in the Trump campaign at some point in your life. Why is it OK to go bankrupt for one reason, but not the other?
You can call it spin. But you also should defend why you think our health and education should be available only to those who can afford it. Is it that the right of the people is the wealthy have the right to horde their wealth while the rest of America's citizen have the right to live precariously?
The wealthy do have the right to keep what they earn. The claim that they don't is the battle cry of a thug. Life is inherently risky. There is no moral principle that says someone else has to pay to relieve you of that risk. That's your job, not theirs.
Let them eat cake.
That didn't turn out so well for them, though, even though it was their right?
Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution.
See socialism always has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never benefit from It.Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution.
Holy shit, and that fucking nails it. Consider that line stolen. Often.
The libertarian Right simply doesn't, or won't, or can't, seem to grasp this.
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