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... which has nothing to do with the point.See socialism always has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never benefit from It.Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution.
Holy shit, and that fucking nails it. Consider that line stolen. Often.
The libertarian Right simply doesn't, or won't, or can't, seem to grasp this.
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Any sort of freedom and individuality cannot exist in a socialist society… Fact
Socialism always forces people into the collective, whether they want to be part of it or not… That is socialismThat's how "decent" people hear it?No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way. “Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.” Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.
Okay, ignore what's coming. And when it gets here, maybe talk radio will tell you what to think of it.
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European socialism is pure evil, because it forces people into the collective. Socialism has been tried in its every form countless times… Guess what… 100% failure rateYounger people think of the Euro-socialism of Canada, Germany, Australia, Scandanavia, while right wingers are trained to think of Venezuela.
The Right still hasn't figured this out. They're fighting a ghost and they don't see it.
Marx is decent people.No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.
Quite apart from the analysis so far given, it was in general a mistake to make a fuss about so-called distribution and put the principal stress on it.
Any distribution whatever of the means of consumption is only a consequence of the distribution of the conditions of production themselves. The latter distribution, however, is a feature of the mode of production itself. The capitalist mode of production, for example, rests on the fact that the material conditions of production are in the hands of nonworkers in the form of property in capital and land, while the masses are only owners of the personal condition of production, of labor power. If the elements of production are so distributed, then the present-day distribution of the means of consumption results automatically. If the material conditions of production are the co-operative property of the workers themselves, then there likewise results a distribution of the means of consumption different from the present one. Vulgar socialism (and from it in turn a section of the democrats) has taken over from the bourgeois economists the consideration and treatment of distribution as independent of the mode of production and hence the presentation of socialism as turning principally on distribution. After the real relation has long been made clear, why retrogress again?
Critique of the Gotha Programme-- I
Yep, There is no such thing as a free lunchIt's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.
It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.
What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.
If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.
I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?
Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.
Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.
Wealthy Canadians come to the US for treatment. Lines too long, medicine not as good in Canada.
LolWhen Lefties pitch Socialism do they realize whatdecentdopey people hear?
Asjusted to more accurately reflect the OP's premise.
Says the lazy fucking loser in life
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Of course you have no way to know that at all.
Actually we do know that....NOBODY decent, successful and self funded demands a right to other people’s shit. Thats a request that ONLY piece of shit lowlifes make...period.
No one is demanding a right to "other people's shit", dope.
That is the narrative of dopey righties who don't care to know any better.
You’re confused little boy, Republicans are not conservatives… Career politicians do not represent the peopleWhat you people need to do is elect republicans to the White House, Senate, and House of Representatives.
They’ll take care of this nonsense for you once and for all.
You’re missing the point, who pays for the shit? Why force people into a world of piss and shit that want nothing to do with socialism?
Socialism was worth a shit you would not have to force people into the shit...
You listen to too much Clinton network newsSo, they are NOT demanding other people's shit?Just because they are too stupid to understand that they are demanding other people’s shit, does not mean they are not demanding other people’s shit.o one is demanding a right to "other people's shit", dope.
That is the narrative of dopey righties who don't care to know any better.
Like I said, a dopey narrative.
You're a fucking liar.
You could just post an example rather than continue pushing your nonsense.
That’s why socialism is a failure, It forces people into shit they want nothing to do withIs the government stealing my money when they give it to schools? I have no children. My money is being given to others! Is that fair?It’s really tiring to try and argue with people who act like they’re morons. Maybe they really are?Will somebody please tell this dumb fuck how taxation for social programs works.So, they are NOT demanding other people's shit?
You're a fucking liar.
You could just post an example rather than continue pushing your nonsense.
The Left has to pretend they don’t understand elementary shit...that’s the only way they can continue their fight to share your bank account.
If I take money from you and give it to somebody else, that’s called stealing. But when government does it…
You listen to too much Clinton network newsSo, they are NOT demanding other people's shit?Just because they are too stupid to understand that they are demanding other people’s shit, does not mean they are not demanding other people’s shit.o one is demanding a right to "other people's shit", dope.
That is the narrative of dopey righties who don't care to know any better.
Like I said, a dopey narrative.
You're a fucking liar.
You could just post an example rather than continue pushing your nonsense.
I’ll tell you a little secret, there is no such thing as free...This is why we need free community colleges. Perhaps there is one near you. If they offer basic Political Science classes, I encourage you to enroll. They will teach you things Fox News doesn't.There is no fucking difference between democratic socialism and goose-stepping communism. None. Zero.It's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.
It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.
What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.
If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.
I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?
Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.
Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.
Forced socialism on people benefits nobodyYou imagine that scenario. If education benefits all, what is the objection to tuition free community colleges or trade schools?Is the government stealing my money when they give it to schools? I have no children. My money is being given to others! Is that fair?It’s really tiring to try and argue with people who act like they’re morons. Maybe they really are?Will somebody please tell this dumb fuck how taxation for social programs works.
The Left has to pretend they don’t understand elementary shit...that’s the only way they can continue their fight to share your bank account.
If I take money from you and give it to somebody else, that’s called stealing. But when government does it…
You wackos continue to struggle to make simple distinctions.
Look, society, collectively decided that an educated society benefits ALL...just as infrastructure, and defense benefits all...think basic reciprocation.
NOBODY good and sane thinks we all benefit by incentivizing / paying Guadalupe and Gustavo to flee their shithole, run their baby factories here, smoke weed and drink 40’s all day while we all go to work.
Think once Loons.
If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?
When all you see I see what you want to see, or have been told to see by pundits with agendas, all you can argue is the absurd, the canard, the hyperbolic. And what is good and sane about that?
You do realize there is no such thing as a free ride? Forcing socialism on people suits nobody in the long run... There is a reason why socialism is the incubator for dictatorshipYou’re missing the point, who pays for the shit? Why force people into a world of piss and shit that want nothing to do with socialism?
Socialism was worth a shit you would not have to force people into the shit...
Well golly gee willakers....why not just make taxes voluntary and let people decide where they want their tax dollars to go then! I wouldn't have to fund things I don't want to. What a brilliant idea! You're a regular stable genius!
LolYou listen to too much Clinton network newsSo, they are NOT demanding other people's shit?Just because they are too stupid to understand that they are demanding other people’s shit, does not mean they are not demanding other people’s shit.
Like I said, a dopey narrative.
You're a fucking liar.
You could just post an example rather than continue pushing your nonsense.
You offer nothing but tired, retarded narratives.
Socialism benefits nobody… But control freaksNo matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.
Total garbage.
A knees news def regurgitated by our frightened old white farts
All our so righteous old white fart complainers are sucking off socialist benefits
Medicare
SS
vA
2 weeks vacation
Kids under 12 not working in mines?
It's hilarious
You’re missing the point doofusAt one point even high school was seen as a luxury. Then we developed factories and merchantile establishments and suddenly, high school was seen as a necessity.You imagine that scenario. If education benefits all, what is the objection to tuition free community colleges or trade schools?Is the government stealing my money when they give it to schools? I have no children. My money is being given to others! Is that fair?It’s really tiring to try and argue with people who act like they’re morons. Maybe they really are?
If I take money from you and give it to somebody else, that’s called stealing. But when government does it…
You wackos continue to struggle to make simple distinctions.
Look, society, collectively decided that an educated society benefits ALL...just as infrastructure, and defense benefits all...think basic reciprocation.
NOBODY good and sane thinks we all benefit by incentivizing / paying Guadalupe and Gustavo to flee their shithole, run their baby factories here, smoke weed and drink 40’s all day while we all go to work.
Think once Loons.
If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?
When all you see I see what you want to see, or have been told to see by pundits with agendas, all you can argue is the absurd, the canard, the hyperbolic. And what is good and sane about that?
Society has collectively decided that a FREE K-12 education is what they’re willing to pay for....everybody has to be weaned from mama’s tit at some point...Should we pay for masters degrees and PHD’s as well? Think once bud.
“If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?”
NOPE....I use that bridge or highway, I don’t benefit from healthy litters of anchor babies at all.
Back to the drawing board you go....keep trying though.
What happens when information technology becomes the driving force in our economy? Do you think having an education system built to service and industrial economy will still be adequate?
You want to make us all afraid of immigrants. Let's set that aside. Why would it be a better society if some folks cannot visit a doctor for preventative care? What makes it a better society if some folks cannot afford medical insurance? Why should some folks who work hard every day be denied access to good health?
