When Have You Made Enough Money?

[rightwinger]

60% aint 90% is it?....if 90% of America in poll after poll said no to this Health Bill....but they passed it anyway....you would just assume they know better then us?.....and just accept it?.....i can understand about what you said about voting off of polls.....but 90% is much different than 50-60%....

Show me a poll that says Americans opposed Healthcare reform by 90%. In fact, if you combined those who supported the healthcare bill and thos who wanted the bill to do more, you had well over 60% supporting

Rw....this was a hypothetical situation....Christ how many times do i see you tell people to read the post...and people wanted REFORM.....not the Government trying to run the show....

Guess what? Public Option was dropped

Just like the Republicans wanted, the good old Insurance Companies are still calling the shots when it comes to healthcare

 

[Misty]

The more you make, the more you spend. No limit.

 

[Foxfyre]

Just to make a point, I don't think we'd want Congressmen voting based off poll numbers. Take the HC bill for example, it's highest support at one point was over 60% if I recall correctly, and around 40 something % at it's lowest.

Poll numbers, no. But on the other hand, it IS part of a Congressmember's job to have his finger on the pulsepoint of his constituency and know where they stand on the issues.

Yes, and it is the Congressman's job to represent his constituency. There are times of course when he is privy to information that his constituency is not and must vote conscience based on that information rather than what his constituency wants at the time. Any Congressman/woman and, when not in a 'safe seat' sometimes does so at great risk to his/her re-election chances. But our representatives should be honest and forthright with us in why they vote as they vote. We are entitled to an explanation and a full accounting of the votes of our elected representatives.

And I for one, unless the alternative is so utterly horrendous to make it necessary, will certainly not be re-electing anybody who thinks the government should decide when somebody in the private sector has made enough money.

 

[Foxfyre]

Show me a poll that says Americans opposed Healthcare reform by 90%. In fact, if you combined those who supported the healthcare bill and thos who wanted the bill to do more, you had well over 60% supporting

Rw....this was a hypothetical situation....Christ how many times do i see you tell people to read the post...and people wanted REFORM.....not the Government trying to run the show....

Guess what? Public Option was dropped

Just like the Republicans wanted, the good old Insurance Companies are still calling the shots when it comes to healthcare

The public option wasn't dropped. IMO, the public option was simply postponed until the sh*t hits the fan re the costs that will overwhelm the projections. And then they figure they can dismantle private insurance altogether and go to a government run single payer system which has been the intent all along. And once they have that in place, just like Social Security and Medicare, there will be no way out. And it will produce the same economic consequences of unmanageable deficits and prognosis until the country is as socialized as Europe.

And the great experiment of freedom and unlimited opportunity envisioned in the Constitution will finally be dead and we will be just another "European" nation with the same consequences.

And I'm pretty sure those who are still alive and can remember how it was before aren't going to like it.

It will be just another example of being careful what you wish for.

 

[rightwinger]

And the great experiment of freedom and unlimited opportunity envisioned in the Constitution will finally be dead and we will be just another "European" nation with the same consequences.

Kind of a reach isn't it?

 

[Foxfyre]

And the great experiment of freedom and unlimited opportunity envisioned in the Constitution will finally be dead and we will be just another "European" nation with the same consequences.

Kind of a reach isn't it?

You think? About 20% of the people of Greece have jobs these days, the country is bankrupt, and is surviving only by huge infusions of 'free' money from its neighbors and us. It will probably not see prosperity again for a very long time if ever. Why is that? Because they have implemented the very policies that our present government seems to be gung ho to emulate.

The Founders wanted government to secure our rights and then get out of our way, allow us to form whatever society we wished to have and live our lives unimpeded by government authority. In the first century, it worked and the USA enjoyed the most freedoms and the most rapidly growing economy the world has ever known. Beginning with the first Roosevelt administration and gradually escalating since that time, however, we have seen erosion of that principle. Our current administration seems to intend to dismantle what is left of it.

Far reaching? If the frog doesn't jump out of the pot when the water starts heating up, it will be boiled.

 

[boedicca]

Greece is a Prequel, unless we downsize government and significantly lower our debt.

 

[rightwinger]

And the great experiment of freedom and unlimited opportunity envisioned in the Constitution will finally be dead and we will be just another "European" nation with the same consequences.

Kind of a reach isn't it?

You think? About 20% of the people of Greece have jobs these days, the country is bankrupt, and is surviving only by huge infusions of 'free' money from its neighbors and us. It will probably not see prosperity again for a very long time if ever. Why is that? Because they have implemented the very policies that our present government seems to be gung ho to emulate.

The Founders wanted government to secure our rights and then get out of our way, allow us to form whatever society we wished to have and live our lives unimpeded by government authority. In the first century, it worked and the USA enjoyed the most freedoms and the most rapidly growing economy the world has ever known. Beginning with the first Roosevelt administration and gradually escalating since that time, however, we have seen erosion of that principle. Our current administration seems to intend to dismantle what is left of it.

Far reaching? If the frog doesn't jump out of the pot when the water starts heating up, it will be boiled.

Kind of far reaching again aren't you?

Got news for you....The USA is not Greece

We do not have the same economy and never have. The US is an economic superpower and Greece has had a fumbling economy for 100 years. Your "Because it happened to Greece, it will happen to us" analogy is a bigger reach than your first one

 

[Cecilie1200]

Just to make a point, I don't think we'd want Congressmen voting based off poll numbers. Take the HC bill for example, it's highest support at one point was over 60% if I recall correctly, and around 40 something % at it's lowest.

Poll numbers, no. But on the other hand, it IS part of a Congressmember's job to have his finger on the pulsepoint of his constituency and know where they stand on the issues.

Yes, and it is the Congressman's job to represent his constituency. There are times of course when he is privy to information that his constituency is not and must vote conscience based on that information rather than what his constituency wants at the time. Any Congressman/woman and, when not in a 'safe seat' sometimes does so at great risk to his/her re-election chances. But our representatives should be honest and forthright with us in why they vote as they vote. We are entitled to an explanation and a full accounting of the votes of our elected representatives.

And I for one, unless the alternative is so utterly horrendous to make it necessary, will certainly not be re-electing anybody who thinks the government should decide when somebody in the private sector has made enough money.

Exactly.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Guess what? Public Option was dropped

Just like the Republicans wanted, the good old Insurance Companies are still calling the shots when it comes to healthcare

ok...so then all your talk about what a great accomplishment for Nancy Pelosi wasnt so great after all....was it.....

 

[rightwinger]

Guess what? Public Option was dropped

Just like the Republicans wanted, the good old Insurance Companies are still calling the shots when it comes to healthcare

ok...so then all your talk about what a great accomplishment for Nancy Pelosi wasnt so great after all....was it.....

She had to trade a lot to get the bill to pass


I still have hope for the public option in a few years. The insurance companies are too greedy not to mess things up

 

[Douger]

300K Tops.
The rest goes into a general fund so that no individual makes less than say............30K.Grass cutter wages.
The general fund takes care of that and health care/education/S.S. which should have a 30 grand flat for all retirees and disabled, and infrastructure upgrades.

So some dopers, lazy fucks and drunks get through the hoops. At least they won't kill you for your wallet.

 

[Nonelitist]

300K Tops.
The rest goes into a general fund so that no individual makes less than say............30K.Grass cutter wages.
The general fund takes care of that and health care/education/S.S. which should have a 30 grand flat for all retirees and disabled, and infrastructure upgrades.

So some dopers, lazy fucks and drunks get through the hoops. At least they won't kill you for your wallet.

First of all.. none of your business how much I make.

Second... I wish you liberals would demand that your leaders in the Democratic party would be honest about what you want.

If it is best... the party should run on it. So cmon... call your leaders and ask them to run on exactly what Dugger proposed.

 

[Foxfyre]

So we're suggesting a law where everybody would have a cap on their gross earnings?

And everybody would get a guaranteed wage whether they worked or not?

And crooks will accept the limits and abide by the law?

And addicts would just suck it in when they ran out of money for their drugs and not continue to mug folks or steal or burglarize to support their habits?

And most everybody will dutifully report to work to earn their $30k or whatever the minimum is even though they'll get paid if they aren't working?

Yep sure sounds like a plan.

Until they figure out that crooks are called crooks because they don't follow the law.

And addicts don't care how rich or poor you might be when it comes to doing what they have to do to support their habits.

And many of us find ourselves working less and less because they is no profit motive. $30k tax free looks pretty good for those who aren't earning much more than that putting in their 40 hrs or so a week.

And the government runs out of money because so few are paying taxes any more.

Yup. Sure sounds like a plan.

 

[Mr Natural]

When yu start snorting your cocaine through rolled up hundred dollar bills, you've probably made enough.

 

[Sky Dancer]

And the great experiment of freedom and unlimited opportunity envisioned in the Constitution will finally be dead and we will be just another "European" nation with the same consequences.

Kind of a reach isn't it?

You think? About 20% of the people of Greece have jobs these days, the country is bankrupt, and is surviving only by huge infusions of 'free' money from its neighbors and us. It will probably not see prosperity again for a very long time if ever. Why is that? Because they have implemented the very policies that our present government seems to be gung ho to emulate.

The Founders wanted government to secure our rights and then get out of our way, allow us to form whatever society we wished to have and live our lives unimpeded by government authority. In the first century, it worked and the USA enjoyed the most freedoms and the most rapidly growing economy the world has ever known. Beginning with the first Roosevelt administration and gradually escalating since that time, however, we have seen erosion of that principle. Our current administration seems to intend to dismantle what is left of it.

Far reaching? If the frog doesn't jump out of the pot when the water starts heating up, it will be boiled.

We could get out of Iraq for one thing. That would save a ton of money.
http://costofwar.com/

http://www.balancethebudget.com/

 

[Foxfyre]

If the government has no money, Iraq won't be a problem because we won't be able to afford to stay there. But Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with how much money people should be allowed to make or whether everybody should have a guaranteed wage.

 

[Sky Dancer]

The government has no money because we're in Iraq, for one thing. We can't afford this war. We can't afford to be imperialists. We need spending cuts and tax increases to balance the budget.

 

[Nonelitist]

Kind of a reach isn't it?

You think? About 20% of the people of Greece have jobs these days, the country is bankrupt, and is surviving only by huge infusions of 'free' money from its neighbors and us. It will probably not see prosperity again for a very long time if ever. Why is that? Because they have implemented the very policies that our present government seems to be gung ho to emulate.

The Founders wanted government to secure our rights and then get out of our way, allow us to form whatever society we wished to have and live our lives unimpeded by government authority. In the first century, it worked and the USA enjoyed the most freedoms and the most rapidly growing economy the world has ever known. Beginning with the first Roosevelt administration and gradually escalating since that time, however, we have seen erosion of that principle. Our current administration seems to intend to dismantle what is left of it.

Far reaching? If the frog doesn't jump out of the pot when the water starts heating up, it will be boiled.

We could get out of Iraq for one thing. That would save a ton of money.
COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War

Balance the Budget

Ya... Obama promised to do that. Another broken promise that must piss off you liberals. Where are all of your anti-war protests? Could it possibly be that you don't really mind war that much, as long as your guy is running it?

 

[Avorysuds]

I like this picture. Notice how high it was while we were fighting communism?

That picture is dumb. Reagan (not saying he is some great guy, just pointing out) brought down the taxes to where people were paying them, or around after deductions. No person ever paid 94% taxes, not even close... Reagan just made it more *simple* if you will.

So yes, going from 28 to 40 is a big deal, not even saying that we could be at 60% and still be running a deficit. Government spending needs to be cut back in a massive way. SS, Mcare, Mcaid welfare and and even military spending should either be cut way back or phased out.