"What To The Slave Is The 4th Of July?"

[flacaltenn]

This thread is dead, Fred. We are post racial, slavery is dead and gone. Things have changed since abolition, haven't you heard? Over 65 thousand anonymous white guys fought to free the slaves. Racism is bad, you are totally right about that. And why haven't blacks got over it? There is two sides to a equation. Lets be honest here, why haven't blacks tried harder to get over this racial inertia? That's is the bigger question. What the hell does it take?

No white guys fought to free the slaves. But this thread is about the fourth of July. A day that happened 240 years ago which means its too long ago to be celebrated or discussed by your standards, it is too old for this because none of you were here on July 4th , 1776. because this happened 241 years ago, it is irrelevant to today based upon the argument many of you have made.

Really? I am trying hard to figure out what the hell you saying here. As a one to one human thing. Yes, a bunch of white people died to end slavery. We all get that slavery was bad. It's gone with the freakin' wind. 150 + years ago. Limbaugh is like Colbert or Kathy Griffin. Entertainers that use outrage like waving a a red flag in front of a bull. We get it.

This thread is dead, Fred. We are post racial, slavery is dead and gone. Things have changed since abolition, haven't you heard? Over 65 thousand anonymous white guys fought to free the slaves. Racism is bad, you are totally right about that. And why haven't blacks got over it? There is two sides to a equation. Lets be honest here, why haven't blacks tried harder to get over this racial inertia? That's is the bigger question. What the hell does it take?

No white guys fought to free the slaves. But this thread is about the fourth of July. A day that happened 240 years ago which means its too long ago to be celebrated or discussed by your standards, it is too old for this because none of you were here on July 4th , 1776. because this happened 241 years ago, it is irrelevant to today based upon the argument many of you have made.

Really? I am trying hard to figure out what the hell you saying here. As a one to one human thing. Yes, a bunch of white people died to end slavery. We all get that slavery was bad. It's gone with the freakin' wind. 150 + years ago. Limbaugh is like Colbert or Kathy Griffin. Entertainers that use outrage like waving a a red flag in front of a bull. We get it.

yes the United states has been without slavery almost twice as long as it had it

Actually the US had slaves beginning in 1640. But this thread is not about the white folks claims of how slavery is over.and how it was 150 years ago s get over it. The issue here is that July 4, 1776 was 241 years ago and by your own standard things that happened that long ago are irrelevant today.

No, they are not irrelevant, no one said they were irrelevant you are just making shit up. The country was founded on this day 241 years ago, that is far from irrelevant. What a slave thought about it is irrelevant due to the fact that that salve isn't alive today and we have no slaves. The celebration is relevant, your racist diatribe isn't.

I'll go so far as to credit Douglas for HIS words in 1852. Because HE had a valid gripe. And I would have been impressed with his admonishment at the time that HE made it. But 160 years later, it sounds pretty lame to be demanding that everyone feel the same way NOW in 2017.

Even for folks who have had 4 or 5 generations of American experience since slavery existed..

We don't CHANGE history just to keep people from being uncomfortable.

 

[K9Buck]

Free to get a shit job (if they're lucky), or die by some redneck hiway policeman's gun.

They're also free to move to an African nation where there whites are a very small minority.

 

[MaryL]

Is there point to all this? Slavery WAS BAD, people died to end it. this isn't 1865. blacks can and should work harder to get past this, they aren't, they en mass blame white racism. Yes, racism is real. It isn't holding blacks back Blacks are holding themselves back.

 

[Tilly]

And none of you were here on July 4th, 1776, none of you fought the British for your freedom either. And since most of you are from ancestors who came here after this happened, your ancestors did not fight to win your freedom from Britain either.

So without further ado, one of the greatest speeches in American history.

What To The Slave Is The 4th Of July?"
FREDERICK DOUGLASS SPEECH, 1852

Fellow citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here today? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?

For the rest of the speech:

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/douglass.htm

This thread is dead, Fred. We are post racial, slavery is dead and gone. Things have changed since abolition, haven't you heard? Over 65 thousand anonymous white guys fought to free the slaves. Racism is bad, you are totally right about that. And why haven't blacks got over it? There is two sides to a equation. Lets be honest here, why haven't blacks tried harder to get over this racial inertia? That's is the bigger question. What the hell does it take?

No white guys fought to free the slaves. But this thread is about the fourth of July. A day that happened 240 years ago which means its too long ago to be celebrated or discussed by your standards, it is too old for this because none of you were here on July 4th , 1776. because this happened 241 years ago, it is irrelevant to today based upon the argument many of you have made.

Really? I am trying hard to figure out what the hell you saying here. As a one to one human being. Yes, a bunch of white people died to end slavery. We all get that slavery was bad. It's gone with the freakin' wind. 150 + years ago. Limbaugh is like Colbert or Kathy Griffin. Entertainers that use outrage like waving a a red flag in front of a bull. We get it.

A bunch of whites did not die to end slavery. That is an inaccurate statement. In every thread all you do is talk about how slavery is over when the thread topic has never been slavery.

Man is born free, but he is everywhere in chains.

...Just as the blacks that whitey bought were already in chains, enslaved by their fellow blacks, and sold by their fellow blacks.
Just as one among the first slave owners in the US was a black man.

Why ain't you mad about that?
Answer: because that wouldn't feed your hate.

 

[Tilly]

And none of you were here on July 4th, 1776, none of you fought the British for your freedom either. And since most of you are from ancestors who came here after this happened, your ancestors did not fight to win your freedom from Britain either.

So without further ado, one of the greatest speeches in American history.

What To The Slave Is The 4th Of July?"
FREDERICK DOUGLASS SPEECH, 1852

Fellow citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here today? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?

For the rest of the speech:

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/douglass.htm

This thread is dead, Fred. We are post racial, slavery is dead and gone. Things have changed since abolition, haven't you heard? Over 65 thousand anonymous white guys fought to free the slaves. Racism is bad, you are totally right about that. And why haven't blacks got over it? There is two sides to a equation. Lets be honest here, why haven't blacks tried harder to get over this racial inertia? That's is the bigger question. What the hell does it take?

No white guys fought to free the slaves. But this thread is about the fourth of July. A day that happened 240 years ago which means its too long ago to be celebrated or discussed by your standards, it is too old for this because none of you were here on July 4th , 1776. because this happened 241 years ago, it is irrelevant to today based upon the argument many of you have made.

Really? I am trying hard to figure out what the hell you saying here. As a one to one human being. Yes, a bunch of white people died to end slavery. We all get that slavery was bad. It's gone with the freakin' wind. 150 + years ago. Limbaugh is like Colbert or Kathy Griffin. Entertainers that use outrage like waving a a red flag in front of a bull. We get it.

A bunch of whites did not die to end slavery. That is an inaccurate statement. In every thread all you do is talk about how slavery is over when the thread topic has never been slavery.

Why do you keep saying whites did not die to end slavery?

 

[hunarcy]

And none of you were here on July 4th, 1776, none of you fought the British for your freedom either. And since most of you are from ancestors who came here after this happened, your ancestors did not fight to win your freedom from Britain either.

So without further ado, one of the greatest speeches in American history.

What To The Slave Is The 4th Of July?"
FREDERICK DOUGLASS SPEECH, 1852

Fellow citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here today? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?

For the rest of the speech:

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/douglass.htm

This thread is dead, Fred. We are post racial, slavery is dead and gone. Things have changed since abolition, haven't you heard? Over 65 thousand anonymous white guys fought to free the slaves. Racism is bad, you are totally right about that. And why haven't blacks got over it? There is two sides to a equation. Lets be honest here, why haven't blacks tried harder to get over this racial inertia? That's is the bigger question. What the hell does it take?

No white guys fought to free the slaves. But this thread is about the fourth of July. A day that happened 240 years ago which means its too long ago to be celebrated or discussed by your standards, it is too old for this because none of you were here on July 4th , 1776. because this happened 241 years ago, it is irrelevant to today based upon the argument many of you have made.

Really? I am trying hard to figure out what the hell you saying here. As a one to one human being. Yes, a bunch of white people died to end slavery. We all get that slavery was bad. It's gone with the freakin' wind. 150 + years ago. Limbaugh is like Colbert or Kathy Griffin. Entertainers that use outrage like waving a a red flag in front of a bull. We get it.

A bunch of whites did not die to end slavery. That is an inaccurate statement. In every thread all you do is talk about how slavery is over when the thread topic has never been slavery.

460,000 Union deaths were not "a bunch"? Frankly, you seem totally unable to acknowledge the truth and that makes you sound ignorant.

 

[Yarddog]

And none of you were here on July 4th, 1776, none of you fought the British for your freedom either. And since most of you are from ancestors who came here after this happened, your ancestors did not fight to win your freedom from Britain either.

So without further ado, one of the greatest speeches in American history.

What To The Slave Is The 4th Of July?"
FREDERICK DOUGLASS SPEECH, 1852

Fellow citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here today? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?

For the rest of the speech:

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/douglass.htm

Are you independent yet? just wondering.

You know, maybe your right, lets just ask all black people to skip all fourth of July celebrations from this day forward, Let them not partake in the hippocricy of white people who dare have an ounce of pride in the country in which they live. The fourth of July marks an era of history, where certain people made certain sacrifices in the founding of the US. For some reason you and your type would like to find every part of American history you can use to show what a terrible place this is, and what terrible people we are. But thats just you rattling your chains. People who were slaves would probably be ashamed of you for not moving forward in a way they wish they could have... if they had the opportunity you have today

 

[mudwhistle]

 

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[Mudda]

And none of you were here on July 4th, 1776, none of you fought the British for your freedom either. And since most of you are from ancestors who came here after this happened, your ancestors did not fight to win your freedom from Britain either.

So without further ado, one of the greatest speeches in American history.

What To The Slave Is The 4th Of July?"
FREDERICK DOUGLASS SPEECH, 1852

Fellow citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here today? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?

For the rest of the speech:

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/douglass.htm

The black ungratefulness for being saved from Africa goes way back I see. He must be Black Lives Matter's hero.

 

[Freewill]

And none of you were here on July 4th, 1776, none of you fought the British for your freedom either. And since most of you are from ancestors who came here after this happened, your ancestors did not fight to win your freedom from Britain either.

So without further ado, one of the greatest speeches in American history.

What To The Slave Is The 4th Of July?"
FREDERICK DOUGLASS SPEECH, 1852

Fellow citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here today? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?

For the rest of the speech:

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/douglass.htm

Frederick Douglas never fought in the revolutionary war...but he became a strong supporter of the constitution.

"However, as Frederick Douglass matured in his political views, he evolved in his personal position regarding the Law of the Land. In fact, Douglass made one of the most dramatic changes in position regarding the value of the U.S. Constitution in the years leading up to the outbreak of the Civil War.

As Douglass read and studied more, and became more aware of other abolitionists, he began to pull away from Garrison’s orbit of persuasion. On December 3, 1847, after Douglass came back from a tour of England and Ireland, he used funds entrusted to him to start his own weekly abolitionist newspaper that he called The North Star. This initiated a substantial break with his previous supporter. Garrison felt largely responsible for the rise in prominence of the former slave, but ironically opposed the move to establish a separate abolitionist news organization. He may have regarded it as some needless competition for his own newspaper. Nonetheless in The North Star, Douglass replicated Garrisonian views that the Constitution was intentionally pro-slavery."

"Frederick Douglass had even publically debated with Lysander Spooner and Gerrit Smith who were abolitionists that supported the Constitution. In 1846, Spooner, an ardent abolitionist, had written a book titled The Unconstitutionality of Slavery which proposed the opposite perspective of Garrison, in which Spooner expressed that the Founders had not deliberately legalized slavery. Eventually, Frederick Douglass made public a dramatic change of opinion about the Constitution in his newspaper, and later in a public speech, he proclaimed it as “a glorious liberty document.” Such a dramatic personal shift in opinion reflected a larger split within the abolition movement in general due to perceptions regarding the Constitution and the proper way for the nation to deal with the institution of slavery."

Read more at Frederick Douglass and defending the U.S. Constitution | Communities Digital News

I know all about Frederick Douglass. I don't need an education on him from some idiot.

This thread not about the bullshit posted in the above quote. This thread is about the fact that on July 4th, 1776 no one black in this nation won any independence or freedom. It is also about the fact that no one here today fought in that war, no one here was alive during that war, and since most of you are descending from people who came here after that war, none of your relatives fought in this war. None of you or your ancestors are responsible for winning this independence for whites, so therefore we should not be celebrating he fourth.

I see quite a few non white people lolol...

and my ancestors were responsible for winning independence from Britain. They also fought with the Union Army.

I'll go ahead and celebrate the fourth, if you don't mind.

you do realize that video wasn't shot in 1776?

If "your people" means black people, they also fought for the confederate army.

 

[Divine Wind]

And none of you were here on July 4th, 1776, none of you fought the British for your freedom either.....

.....and no one here is a slave or is a slaver. Nice job shitting all over the 4th of July, but that's expected of what passes for "liberalism" these days; anti-American, anti-Constitutional, pro-Socialist, very Authoritarian partisans.

 

[Mudda]

Black people are pissed, Indians are pissed and arabs are pissed about July 4th. Who fucking cares?

 

[williepete]

Actually the US had slaves beginning in 1640.

The U.S. didn't exist in 1640 nor 100 years later in 1740.

 

[Desperado]

Who gives a rat's ass that they say

 

[paperview]

... Over 65 thousand anonymous white guys fought to free the slaves. ...

Recheck your math, Mary.

 

[IM2]

Actually the US had slaves beginning in 1640.

The U.S. didn't exist in 1640 nor 100 years later in 1740.

Actually America did exist as a colony of Britain.

 

[williepete]

Actually America did exist as a colony of Britain.

There was no United States colony of Britain. You wrote U.S. existed in 1640. Distracts from your credibility.

 

[IM2]

And none of you were here on July 4th, 1776, none of you fought the British for your freedom either.....

.....and no one here is a slave or is a slaver. Nice job shitting all over the 4th of July, but that's expected of what passes for "liberalism" these days; anti-American, anti-Constitutional, pro-Socialist, very Authoritarian partisans.

That's my point dumb ass. You are reliving 241 years ago. But if we talk about how we were not free on the 4th of July, 1776 as blacks we should shut up and stop living in in the past. The hypocrisy in this is apparent. You shit on the 4th not me, because of your hypocrisy.

 

[IM2]

Actually America did exist as a colony of Britain.

There was no United States colony of Britain. You wrote U.S. existed in 1640. Distracts from your credibility.

No it does not distract from my credibility. You wan to play word games and then play the game of we did not exist until the constitution was ratified That's childish and you do this to avoid the issue.