CDZ What to take seriously from Trump?

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    I get soo sick of silly things Trump says.

    In a way I hope he is an evil genius purposely misdirecting us from whatever he is not accomplishing by distracting us with a series of inflammatory vague quotes which can be proven or disproven by depending on where you set the goal posts.

    Then again I fear we have elected a man who can't keep his mouth shut. I feel qualified to recognize a narcissistic sociopath who like the sound of his own voice ;).

    Actions speak louder than words so perhaps we should ignore his words and focus on the legislative accomplishments and Executive Orders? You can talk about banning this or that all day long but if you do nothing about it there is no change.

    Or are the words a big part of it? Sometime speeches are important to motivate people or give the idea the continuing recovery from the great recession is your doing. To be fair, providing people with faith in a resurgence and boosting morale IS important.
     
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    Trump playing with the left while he reshapes the US Judicial system for the next 40 years:
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    You, I and surely millions of others. I'm at the point whereby I can't even stand listening to him speak; I have to read the transcripts. When I listen to him discuss anything having to do with his duties or to his expositions on the world as he sees it, I find myself repeatedly wondering how in the world it is that a grown man having the advantages he's had be such a deuced and execrable dullard. That the man rarely, when speaking off the cuff, manages to form complete sentences or utter complete thoughts just adds insult to the insufferability of that man.
     
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    Partial Response:

    1) The O. P has a long difficult education before him, with regard to the topic he has assigned himself. It will be particularly hard because he doesn't want to hear the truth about Don Trump. He wants to misunderstand him, because he wants to hate him.

    2) I don't have the time or inclination, or even the ability, to educate anyone who doesn't want to learn...who doesn't want to hear anything said on Trump's behalf.

    3) So, I will just make one point and give one example.

    The point is: Liberals insist on taking him absolutely literally, even though they never hold their own politicians to the same standard.

    The example is: I will build a great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for it.

    Liberals knew Mexico would never just up and write a check for the wall, and so that is exactly what they (including the O. P., I expect) is what they pretended he meant.

    Conservatives, on the other hand, also knew Mexico would never just up and write a check for the wall, but they were so delighted that an American Presidential Candidate was willing to commit to doing his very best to STOPPING the Invasion of America by Mexico...actually by the dregs of Mexican Society---as the Rich and Middle Class; the successful people in Mexico---stay where they are.

    We understood that; you obviously did not.

    Also, Conservatives had sense enough to understand Mexico would never just up and write a check for the wall, but they also understood that stopping the Invasion would bring such benefits to America that Mexico would essentially be paying for the wall.

    For example, a down payment was made on Mexico paying indirectly for the Wall, right after Trump was elected---when FORD announce it would built its newest plant in the USA and not in Mexico as previously planned when the Marxist Obama was President.

    A down payment was made when illegal immigration, the Invasion that Obama invited, slowed way way down....meaning Mexico had to pay for more of its dregs, and the U.S. A had to pay for less and less of them. The lighter the burden on social services, like welfare, and like teachers who have to teach Spanish instead of the national language--English, the better. Just two examples.

    We understand this; you obviously do not.

    If you can learn from this example....which is unlikely because you obviously wish to be willingly blind....then you will be better prepared yo know what Trump is talking about in the future.
     
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    OK. Again, I'm slow I suppose in your condescending point of view so explain this to me.

    Obama invited in Mexicans we did not have an illegal problem under either Bush or Clinton? That isn't how I remember it from my time at the railroad.

    Then you call a fellow who loves the death penalty and the military blind. I do believe you qualified to speak for what Trump means.

    Your post says Trump is soo poorly spoken we just have to ask someone else what he meant.

    Whenever my wife or someone goes to translate what I meant they are usually trying to sugar coat it so we keep friends I don't value. I suspect you are translating for Donald to make him seem nicer or more in touch with his capabilities.
     
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    I view Donald Trump in a totally different light. I see a man who had everything, who knew that the Presidency would be a shit storm, and he stepped up to the plate anyway to save the country from the Clintons. Thank God he did. He also knew that a Hillary Presidency would mean a Liberal rubber stamp Supreme Court for at least the next 20 years.

    I see him as a straight talking New Yorker who loves to mix it up. He doesn't want to take the high road, he wants to get in your face. That's him. He's real. Could I do with less Tweets? Sure. I don't read them but Jesus Christ you Liberals appear to spend every waking moment dissecting every syllable.

    I suggest you don't take every thing he says or writes literally. Focus on the bigger picture of what he is trying to do. For example, the "Racist Rhetoric" he used about building the wall, and Mexico sending their criminals and Rapists has proven to be extremely effective in reducing illegals attempting to cross. They are down nearly 75% which is a huge help for our border agents, DEA, and Police. So in a sense Trump built a pretty good wall with words alone. Was he nice? No. Was he effective. Oh yes.

    I'll take effective over nice in my President.
     
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    Is it too much to ask an executive, most especially a POTUS or would-be one, to always say things unequivocally and to say only things that, given the information available at the time, are accurate, or at least plausible and probable?

    Trump rarely does either of those things when he speaks. Just this past week, he told Mrs. Johnson her husband "knew what he was getting into" and then denied saying it. Then Kelly said, well, yes, Trump did indeed say exactly that. There is no way to take a statement that says "I didn't say 'such and such'" other than literally. One either did say that or one did not.

    Would it have been too much for Trump on his own behalf to have said something to the effect of "I didn't mean it in the "whatever" sense of that phrase?" No, it wouldn't, yet doing something that simple is not what Trump did. He flat out lied about having uttered the words. I mean, really. What kind of grown man refuses to own the words that come out his mouth?
     
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    Your premiums will go down by an average of $2500 per family.

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    You clearly missed the first sentence in the post.

     

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