CDZ Federal government furloughs should be permanent.

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    Many Americans including myself believe the Federal Government is overstaffed and overpaid. This is due in part to lack of oversight within government departments which has allowed empire building to bloat the payrolls.

    There is also redundancy that could easily be eliminated through consolidation (e.g. the 17 intelligence agencies). Add to that the salaries levels are out of control. I thought GS 15 was the maximum salary level. It is not. There are senior level pay scales that top out at over $200 thousand per year.
    Executive Schedule (ES)
    ES Level Education Level Salary
    ES Level 1 Ph.D. $207,800
    ES Level 2 Ph.D. $187,000
    ES Level 3 Ph.D. $172,100
    ES Level 4 Ph.D. $161,900
    ES Level 5 Ph.D. $151,700

    What are these people doing that merit these salary levels all paid with our tax dollars?

    I propose that along with looking at layoffs within each department and consolidation, all departments implement an across the board furlough of 1 day off without pay for every 20 days worked.

    That would result in an immediate 5% cut in the Federal payroll with zero impact to services. This IMO is a no-brainer that should be implemented immediately along with other cost cutting measures that includes layoffs and shutting down and consolidation of departments and agencies.
     
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    Probably half of federal agencies are of no use to this country whatsoever, and could be completely dissolved.

    The rest could be whittled down and consolidated, as noted in the OP.
     
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    Agreed, but I believe that cost cutting must be implemented in a series of steps to minimize the impact to people's lives and reduce the backlash from Democrats horrified at the prospect of a smaller more efficient government.
     
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    I'm always amazed that gov't bashers say gov't workers are fat, lazy, and overpaid. Certainly some are, just like anywhere else but it is not a general rule, certainly at the higher levels. In fact the opposite is more often the case.

    These same gov't folk are responsible for spending trillions of your tax dollars. Do you want idiots in those jobs or someone who knows what they are doing? Or do you just want a free lunch. A $200K/yr salary may sound high to you but it is middle management in larger corporations. Our POTUS makes $400K, Tillerson makes less but he made $33M at Exxon. I don't think he's in it for the money.
     
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    It's often not a question of fat, lazy and overpaid. It a question of paying for a job that results in little or no benefit to the country or its citizens.
     
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    If that is your thinking you should go to the source of the problem, Congress and the laws they pass.
     
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    They remind me of your average CEO who gets 300 times the pay as the people actually doing an ounce of work.
     
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    Yeah, that would save like 0.000000000000% on our budget.
     
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    So you're saying these ES people pay their employees less than $2,000 a year. Hmm.
     
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    They are senior executives within the Government. They are the Government equivalent of Corporate Presidents and CEOs
    But instead of receiving compensation in the tens of millions, they are compensated at $207,000
     
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