CDZ Is Las Vegas covering up the shooter's motive?

Sundance508

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As someone who has lived in Las Vegas for years....I understand all too well how corrupt this place is. I am not talking about the 'mafioso' ---they were run out of town years ago.

The Italian Mob was replaced by the 'corporate mob' some say they are worse than the eyeties.

The mafioso certainly treated the locals better hence the well known preferance of the locals for the Italian mob rather than the corporations...who are seen as greedy as in...hard to get a comp for one thing. Not even to mention they prefer hiring foreigners.

Anyhow...to get to my point--Many understand and locals certainly do that one of the main reasons for suicide in vegas is driven by losing too much at the casino...it really does not have to be all that much to trigger a suicide...usually just enough for the gambler to realize he will have to change his lifestyle.

The shooter in vegas was definitely suicidal....some las vegas law enforcement was quoted as saying the guy had an escape plan....laughable....he rented the room in his own name and had screwed his door shut....how was he going to get out? Even if he had managed to get out...with his identity well known....how long could he have eluded capture. So...no....he had no plans to escape....he was suicidal and he proved that.

So....why did he go suicidal? That is the real question and one that the investigators I am convinced really do not want the answer to because it could/would make vegas and the gambling industry as a whole look very,very bad which of course it is. Countless lives lost and more families ruined by gambling losses than most can even comprehend....yet...the journalists and so called investigators have not put the pressure on the casinoes to cough up the finances of Paddock...and anyone that knows how the casinoes operate ...knows how they keep financial records on all those who gamble in their establishments....they know how much you gamble, they know how much you win/lose. They know how much you are worth etc. And all of this information is available on their computer system and readily revealed at the touch of a button....yet...has anyone see this angle(possible motive)pursued....did in fact the shooter go suicidal because of his gambling losses? I did see one juournalist ask the sheriff about the shooters finances...his question was brushed off.

The big boys in vegas fear unfavorable publicity and they definitely fear anything that would place government attention on how gambling hurts so many people. As in....they fear possible governmental regulations that might put a damper on how people can gamble....the corpporate heads of the casinoes care about one thing and one thing only....their bottome line....and as long as that is good.....they are happy and unconcerned about all the lives they have ruined in keeping their profits outrageously high.
 
As good as any theory I have heard.

Wasn't there a report he was on anti depressant pills? Maybe the pills or the reason he was on them caused it.

Your gambling theory is possible.

Then again ISIS did claim respinsibility.

Can't believe it is taking this long to figure out myself.
 
It's a believable theory. The last thing Las Vegas casinos would have wanted as a headline is "Las Vegas gunman was a millionaire who lost almost everything gambling, leading to depression and the worst mass shooting in US history".

The longer authorities take with the investigation, wrong timelines, video surveillance withheld, people missing, etc etc...the more this looks like some sort of "cover-up". Not as in an "all-out conspiracy theory" but possibly covering up a motive like you theorize or some sort of liability of the casinos.
 
Is Las Vegas covering up the shooter's motive?...The shooter in vegas was definitely suicidal....So....why did he go suicidal?

Wait a minute. You're asking why the shooter killed himself? Seriously?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really give a tinker's dam why he killed himself. I want to know why he killed and injured all those people. From where I sit, his suicide isn't even newsworthy; he's just one person and odds are that while his death may affect more people than just himself, it's unlikely it irrevocably alters the lives of 500+ people.

Don't get me wrong. I have a measure of sympathy for his family members who surely bereave him, but hi killing himself really isn't the thing about which, IMO, our society as a whole need be concerned, at least not at this juncture. Maybe one day attenuating suicide rates will be something worth worrying about, but I don't think today is that day. People who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it, and there are hundreds of reasons why one may willfully do so. Unless the person leaves a note indicating why they killed themselves, I say pick a reason -- if necessary, by throwing a dart at a wall of post-it notes having the various reasons written on them --- call it that and move on.

So....why did he go suicidal? That is the real question and one that the investigators I am convinced really do not want the answer to because it could/would make vegas and the gambling industry as a whole look very,very bad which of course it is.

That's a bit more contrived than I find plausible just now.
 
Is Las Vegas covering up the shooter's motive?...The shooter in vegas was definitely suicidal....So....why did he go suicidal?

Wait a minute. You're asking why the shooter killed himself? Seriously?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really give a tinker's dam why he killed himself. I want to know why he killed and injured all those people. From where I sit, his suicide isn't even newsworthy; he's just one person and odds are that while his death may affect more people than just himself, it's unlikely it irrevocably alters the lives of 500+ people.

Don't get me wrong. I have a measure of sympathy for his family members who surely bereave him, but hi killing himself really isn't the thing about which, IMO, our society as a whole need be concerned, at least not at this juncture. Maybe one day attenuating suicide rates will be something worth worrying about, but I don't think today is that day. People who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it, and there are hundreds of reasons why one may willfully do so. Unless the person leaves a note indicating why they killed themselves, I say pick a reason -- if necessary, by throwing a dart at a wall of post-it notes having the various reasons written on them --- call it that and move on.

So....why did he go suicidal? That is the real question and one that the investigators I am convinced really do not want the answer to because it could/would make vegas and the gambling industry as a whole look very,very bad which of course it is.

That's a bit more contrived than I find plausible just now.

You seemed to have entirely misunderstood my point. The great question regarding the Las Vegas Shooting is....what was the motive?

What I am saying is that first one needs to consider why the shooter went suicidal....as in he had most likely decided to kill himself before he began his shooting rampage. Yet...some las vegas law enforcement people put it out that the shooter had planned to escape....which makes no sense at all. Even farther than that I would say such info from law enforcement in vegas is dis-information.

I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself as in regards to what that might have to do with his motive of killing so many innocent people.

Now there of course could be several reasons or factors in what motivated the shooter to become suicidal.

However...as someone who has lived in vegas for years....I as well as most locals understand how many people kill themselves in vegas because of gambling losses.

I further say that since he was known to be a heavy gambler and had been for years...he had to have been a loser...no one can gamble for a long period of time and be a winner...it is simply mathamatically impossible. The odds are in favor of the Casinoes....and the longer you gamble the greater effect the odds have. Anyone can hit a lucky streak for a short period of time...but in the long haul...the odds always work heavily against the gambler...otherwise the casinoes could not stay in business....all of the games in vegas are rigged in favor of the house...only the vary naive do not understand that.

Thus my conclusion is that it is very likely his gambling losses may have motivated his rampage...in fact I think that is the most likely reason...he had come to hate las vegas and the casinoes because he had lost so much money...he reached the point in his life where he finally realized he was a loser and there was no way he could re-coup his losses....he became depressed, he couldnt sleep, his doctor had him on valium which is known to trigger violent behavior in some. Thus when you combine all that...I maintain that his motive was a direct result of his gambling losses because he had to blame somebody else for his stupidity in losing so much money....he had such a huge ego he could not blame himself...thus he blamed Las Vegas and its casinoes....he decided to exact revenge and kill himself.

The casinoes and las vegas have not released the shooters financial situation...and the media is not putting any pressure on the casinoes to release the shooters financial information...despite the fact that such info could reveal a very direct cause in regards to the motive of the shooter.

I hope this clears up the coinfusion.
 
Is Las Vegas covering up the shooter's motive?...The shooter in vegas was definitely suicidal....So....why did he go suicidal?

Wait a minute. You're asking why the shooter killed himself? Seriously?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really give a tinker's dam why he killed himself. I want to know why he killed and injured all those people. From where I sit, his suicide isn't even newsworthy; he's just one person and odds are that while his death may affect more people than just himself, it's unlikely it irrevocably alters the lives of 500+ people.

Don't get me wrong. I have a measure of sympathy for his family members who surely bereave him, but hi killing himself really isn't the thing about which, IMO, our society as a whole need be concerned, at least not at this juncture. Maybe one day attenuating suicide rates will be something worth worrying about, but I don't think today is that day. People who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it, and there are hundreds of reasons why one may willfully do so. Unless the person leaves a note indicating why they killed themselves, I say pick a reason -- if necessary, by throwing a dart at a wall of post-it notes having the various reasons written on them --- call it that and move on.

So....why did he go suicidal? That is the real question and one that the investigators I am convinced really do not want the answer to because it could/would make vegas and the gambling industry as a whole look very,very bad which of course it is.

That's a bit more contrived than I find plausible just now.

You seemed to have entirely misunderstood my point. The great question regarding the Las Vegas Shooting is....what was the motive?

What I am saying is that first one needs to consider why the shooter went suicidal....as in he had most likely decided to kill himself before he began his shooting rampage. Yet...some las vegas law enforcement people put it out that the shooter had planned to escape....which makes no sense at all. Even farther than that I would say such info from law enforcement in vegas is dis-information.

I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself as in regards to what that might have to do with his motive of killing so many innocent people.

Now there of course could be several reasons or factors in what motivated the shooter to become suicidal.

However...as someone who has lived in vegas for years....I as well as most locals understand how many people kill themselves in vegas because of gambling losses.

I further say that since he was known to be a heavy gambler and had been for years...he had to have been a loser...no one can gamble for a long period of time and be a winner...it is simply mathamatically impossible. The odds are in favor of the Casinoes....and the longer you gamble the greater effect the odds have. Anyone can hit a lucky streak for a short period of time...but in the long haul...the odds always work heavily against the gambler...otherwise the casinoes could not stay in business....all of the games in vegas are rigged in favor of the house...only the vary naive do not understand that.

Thus my conclusion is that it is very likely his gambling losses may have motivated his rampage...in fact I think that is the most likely reason...he had come to hate las vegas and the casinoes because he had lost so much money...he reached the point in his life where he finally realized he was a loser and there was no way he could re-coup his losses....he became depressed, he couldnt sleep, his doctor had him on valium which is known to trigger violent behavior in some. Thus when you combine all that...I maintain that his motive was a direct result of his gambling losses because he had to blame somebody else for his stupidity in losing so much money....he had such a huge ego he could not blame himself...thus he blamed Las Vegas and its casinoes....he decided to exact revenge and kill himself.

The casinoes and las vegas have not released the shooters financial situation...and the media is not putting any pressure on the casinoes to release the shooters financial information...despite the fact that such info could reveal a very direct cause in regards to the motive of the shooter.

I hope this clears up the coinfusion.
I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself

Okay...I withdraw from the discussion. I see no point in positing his motive for killing himself in advance of finding one for why he killed others. That along with the foundational premises of your proposal depending on counterfactuals -- that is, things that have not been established in order for the inferences you've made to be at least plausible beyond the realm of "anything's possible -- informs me that this not a discussion in which I need to participate further.
 
Is Las Vegas covering up the shooter's motive?...The shooter in vegas was definitely suicidal....So....why did he go suicidal?

Wait a minute. You're asking why the shooter killed himself? Seriously?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really give a tinker's dam why he killed himself. I want to know why he killed and injured all those people. From where I sit, his suicide isn't even newsworthy; he's just one person and odds are that while his death may affect more people than just himself, it's unlikely it irrevocably alters the lives of 500+ people.

Don't get me wrong. I have a measure of sympathy for his family members who surely bereave him, but hi killing himself really isn't the thing about which, IMO, our society as a whole need be concerned, at least not at this juncture. Maybe one day attenuating suicide rates will be something worth worrying about, but I don't think today is that day. People who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it, and there are hundreds of reasons why one may willfully do so. Unless the person leaves a note indicating why they killed themselves, I say pick a reason -- if necessary, by throwing a dart at a wall of post-it notes having the various reasons written on them --- call it that and move on.

So....why did he go suicidal? That is the real question and one that the investigators I am convinced really do not want the answer to because it could/would make vegas and the gambling industry as a whole look very,very bad which of course it is.

That's a bit more contrived than I find plausible just now.

You seemed to have entirely misunderstood my point. The great question regarding the Las Vegas Shooting is....what was the motive?

What I am saying is that first one needs to consider why the shooter went suicidal....as in he had most likely decided to kill himself before he began his shooting rampage. Yet...some las vegas law enforcement people put it out that the shooter had planned to escape....which makes no sense at all. Even farther than that I would say such info from law enforcement in vegas is dis-information.

I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself as in regards to what that might have to do with his motive of killing so many innocent people.

Now there of course could be several reasons or factors in what motivated the shooter to become suicidal.

However...as someone who has lived in vegas for years....I as well as most locals understand how many people kill themselves in vegas because of gambling losses.

I further say that since he was known to be a heavy gambler and had been for years...he had to have been a loser...no one can gamble for a long period of time and be a winner...it is simply mathamatically impossible. The odds are in favor of the Casinoes....and the longer you gamble the greater effect the odds have. Anyone can hit a lucky streak for a short period of time...but in the long haul...the odds always work heavily against the gambler...otherwise the casinoes could not stay in business....all of the games in vegas are rigged in favor of the house...only the vary naive do not understand that.

Thus my conclusion is that it is very likely his gambling losses may have motivated his rampage...in fact I think that is the most likely reason...he had come to hate las vegas and the casinoes because he had lost so much money...he reached the point in his life where he finally realized he was a loser and there was no way he could re-coup his losses....he became depressed, he couldnt sleep, his doctor had him on valium which is known to trigger violent behavior in some. Thus when you combine all that...I maintain that his motive was a direct result of his gambling losses because he had to blame somebody else for his stupidity in losing so much money....he had such a huge ego he could not blame himself...thus he blamed Las Vegas and its casinoes....he decided to exact revenge and kill himself.

The casinoes and las vegas have not released the shooters financial situation...and the media is not putting any pressure on the casinoes to release the shooters financial information...despite the fact that such info could reveal a very direct cause in regards to the motive of the shooter.

I hope this clears up the coinfusion.
I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself

Okay...I withdraw from the discussion. I see no point in positing his motive for killing himself in advance of finding one for why he killed others. That along with the foundational premises of your proposal depending on counterfactuals -- that is, things that have not been established in order for the inferences you've made to be at least plausible beyond the realm of "anything's possible -- informs me that this not a discussion in which I need to participate further.

You seem not to understand the logic of it...I thought I made a clear case...anyhow I will try and break it down even further.....step by step...the way I see it(of course i could be wrong) based on the fact that the casinoes have not released his financial info.....is simply this: 1. he was a heavy gambler who had gambled for years which means he was a loser--mathamatically impossible for him to have not been a loser. 2. It is a well known fact at least by locals that a lot of gamblers have comitted suicide in vegas because of losing money gambling here. So many that when someone committs suicide in vegas the first thing locals think...it was probably because of his gambling. Yet in this case las vegas law enforcement seems not to have even considered that possibility....why not???? 3. He very likely had got to the point which most gamblers eventually arrive at...aka...he was a loser. Yet he had a big ego as many high-rollers do---and could not admit it was his own fault for gambling away so much money--thus he blamed the casinoes...which fostered an intense hatred of Las Vegas in him. He decided to kill himself but wanted to exact revenge on Las Vegas in the process...he was intelligent and would have known very well what he was going to do would make Las Vegas look bad as well as exact a huge economic loss for vegas...not even to mention that gambling itself would be brought under intense scrutiny and possibly more regulations in regards to the gaming industry.

That essentially is my argument...and of course just a theory on my part...but one based on a knowledge of the impact gambling has on folks that make the big mistake of engaging in it...especially if they take it to the extent that Paddock did...he practically lived in hotel/casinoes...had many houses but spent more time in hotels than he did in his various homes.

I think our big difference is that you want to look at the two issues....aka...his shooting rampage and his suicide as two seperate events that had no relationship....I say the two were tied together....he became suicidal and and wanted revenge...thus he killed innocent people in order to exact revenge on vegas and then he killed himself.

I further charge las vegas with covering up his motive of exacting revenge on Las Vegas for his gambling losses because it is the nature of law enforcement, politicians and all the big boys in Vegas to always protect vegas aka....their base of support and wealth. It is all about the money. The big boys in vegas well know that if the shooters motive was shown to be related to his gambling losses...there would be intense governmental scrutiny of las vegas gambling and possibly new regulations placed on the gaming industry that would cut into their profits...aka....limiting the amount of money someone can bet hence limiting the amount of money they may lose....this is done on some of the riverboats in the midwest. It may not prevent someone from losing all their money eventually...but it slows down the process. The bottome line is that the gambling honchos do not want any publicity about how gambling damages society...and the costs of gambling to society are horrendous but well covered up...especially in Las Vegas.
 
Is Las Vegas covering up the shooter's motive?...The shooter in vegas was definitely suicidal....So....why did he go suicidal?

Wait a minute. You're asking why the shooter killed himself? Seriously?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really give a tinker's dam why he killed himself. I want to know why he killed and injured all those people. From where I sit, his suicide isn't even newsworthy; he's just one person and odds are that while his death may affect more people than just himself, it's unlikely it irrevocably alters the lives of 500+ people.

Don't get me wrong. I have a measure of sympathy for his family members who surely bereave him, but hi killing himself really isn't the thing about which, IMO, our society as a whole need be concerned, at least not at this juncture. Maybe one day attenuating suicide rates will be something worth worrying about, but I don't think today is that day. People who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it, and there are hundreds of reasons why one may willfully do so. Unless the person leaves a note indicating why they killed themselves, I say pick a reason -- if necessary, by throwing a dart at a wall of post-it notes having the various reasons written on them --- call it that and move on.

So....why did he go suicidal? That is the real question and one that the investigators I am convinced really do not want the answer to because it could/would make vegas and the gambling industry as a whole look very,very bad which of course it is.

That's a bit more contrived than I find plausible just now.

You seemed to have entirely misunderstood my point. The great question regarding the Las Vegas Shooting is....what was the motive?

What I am saying is that first one needs to consider why the shooter went suicidal....as in he had most likely decided to kill himself before he began his shooting rampage. Yet...some las vegas law enforcement people put it out that the shooter had planned to escape....which makes no sense at all. Even farther than that I would say such info from law enforcement in vegas is dis-information.

I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself as in regards to what that might have to do with his motive of killing so many innocent people.

Now there of course could be several reasons or factors in what motivated the shooter to become suicidal.

However...as someone who has lived in vegas for years....I as well as most locals understand how many people kill themselves in vegas because of gambling losses.

I further say that since he was known to be a heavy gambler and had been for years...he had to have been a loser...no one can gamble for a long period of time and be a winner...it is simply mathamatically impossible. The odds are in favor of the Casinoes....and the longer you gamble the greater effect the odds have. Anyone can hit a lucky streak for a short period of time...but in the long haul...the odds always work heavily against the gambler...otherwise the casinoes could not stay in business....all of the games in vegas are rigged in favor of the house...only the vary naive do not understand that.

Thus my conclusion is that it is very likely his gambling losses may have motivated his rampage...in fact I think that is the most likely reason...he had come to hate las vegas and the casinoes because he had lost so much money...he reached the point in his life where he finally realized he was a loser and there was no way he could re-coup his losses....he became depressed, he couldnt sleep, his doctor had him on valium which is known to trigger violent behavior in some. Thus when you combine all that...I maintain that his motive was a direct result of his gambling losses because he had to blame somebody else for his stupidity in losing so much money....he had such a huge ego he could not blame himself...thus he blamed Las Vegas and its casinoes....he decided to exact revenge and kill himself.

The casinoes and las vegas have not released the shooters financial situation...and the media is not putting any pressure on the casinoes to release the shooters financial information...despite the fact that such info could reveal a very direct cause in regards to the motive of the shooter.

I hope this clears up the coinfusion.
I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself

Okay...I withdraw from the discussion. I see no point in positing his motive for killing himself in advance of finding one for why he killed others. That along with the foundational premises of your proposal depending on counterfactuals -- that is, things that have not been established in order for the inferences you've made to be at least plausible beyond the realm of "anything's possible -- informs me that this not a discussion in which I need to participate further.

You seem not to understand the logic of it...I thought I made a clear case...anyhow I will try and break it down even further.....step by step...the way I see it(of course i could be wrong) based on the fact that the casinoes have not released his financial info.....is simply this: 1. he was a heavy gambler who had gambled for years which means he was a loser--mathamatically impossible for him to have not been a loser. 2. It is a well known fact at least by locals that a lot of gamblers have comitted suicide in vegas because of losing money gambling here. So many that when someone committs suicide in vegas the first thing locals think...it was probably because of his gambling. Yet in this case las vegas law enforcement seems not to have even considered that possibility....why not???? 3. He very likely had got to the point which most gamblers eventually arrive at...aka...he was a loser. Yet he had a big ego as many high-rollers do---and could not admit it was his own fault for gambling away so much money--thus he blamed the casinoes...which fostered an intense hatred of Las Vegas in him. He decided to kill himself but wanted to exact revenge on Las Vegas in the process...he was intelligent and would have known very well what he was going to do would make Las Vegas look bad as well as exact a huge economic loss for vegas...not even to mention that gambling itself would be brought under intense scrutiny and possibly more regulations in regards to the gaming industry.

That essentially is my argument...and of course just a theory on my part...but one based on a knowledge of the impact gambling has on folks that make the big mistake of engaging in it...especially if they take it to the extent that Paddock did...he practically lived in hotel/casinoes...had many houses but spent more time in hotels than he did in his various homes.

I think our big difference is that you want to look at the two issues....aka...his shooting rampage and his suicide as two seperate events that had no relationship....I say the two were tied together....he became suicidal and and wanted revenge...thus he killed innocent people in order to exact revenge on vegas and then he killed himself.

I further charge las vegas with covering up his motive of exacting revenge on Las Vegas for his gambling losses because it is the nature of law enforcement, politicians and all the big boys in Vegas to always protect vegas aka....their base of support and wealth. It is all about the money. The big boys in vegas well know that if the shooters motive was shown to be related to his gambling losses...there would be intense governmental scrutiny of las vegas gambling and possibly new regulations placed on the gaming industry that would cut into their profits...aka....limiting the amount of money someone can bet hence limiting the amount of money they may lose....this is done on some of the riverboats in the midwest. It may not prevent someone from losing all their money eventually...but it slows down the process. The bottome line is that the gambling honchos do not want any publicity about how gambling damages society...and the costs of gambling to society are horrendous but well covered up...especially in Las Vegas.

Why are you replying to me with all that prose? What part of the following statement did you not understand?
.I withdraw from the discussion
 
Is Las Vegas covering up the shooter's motive?...The shooter in vegas was definitely suicidal....So....why did he go suicidal?

Wait a minute. You're asking why the shooter killed himself? Seriously?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really give a tinker's dam why he killed himself. I want to know why he killed and injured all those people. From where I sit, his suicide isn't even newsworthy; he's just one person and odds are that while his death may affect more people than just himself, it's unlikely it irrevocably alters the lives of 500+ people.

Don't get me wrong. I have a measure of sympathy for his family members who surely bereave him, but hi killing himself really isn't the thing about which, IMO, our society as a whole need be concerned, at least not at this juncture. Maybe one day attenuating suicide rates will be something worth worrying about, but I don't think today is that day. People who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it, and there are hundreds of reasons why one may willfully do so. Unless the person leaves a note indicating why they killed themselves, I say pick a reason -- if necessary, by throwing a dart at a wall of post-it notes having the various reasons written on them --- call it that and move on.

So....why did he go suicidal? That is the real question and one that the investigators I am convinced really do not want the answer to because it could/would make vegas and the gambling industry as a whole look very,very bad which of course it is.

That's a bit more contrived than I find plausible just now.

You seemed to have entirely misunderstood my point. The great question regarding the Las Vegas Shooting is....what was the motive?

What I am saying is that first one needs to consider why the shooter went suicidal....as in he had most likely decided to kill himself before he began his shooting rampage. Yet...some las vegas law enforcement people put it out that the shooter had planned to escape....which makes no sense at all. Even farther than that I would say such info from law enforcement in vegas is dis-information.

I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself as in regards to what that might have to do with his motive of killing so many innocent people.

Now there of course could be several reasons or factors in what motivated the shooter to become suicidal.

However...as someone who has lived in vegas for years....I as well as most locals understand how many people kill themselves in vegas because of gambling losses.

I further say that since he was known to be a heavy gambler and had been for years...he had to have been a loser...no one can gamble for a long period of time and be a winner...it is simply mathamatically impossible. The odds are in favor of the Casinoes....and the longer you gamble the greater effect the odds have. Anyone can hit a lucky streak for a short period of time...but in the long haul...the odds always work heavily against the gambler...otherwise the casinoes could not stay in business....all of the games in vegas are rigged in favor of the house...only the vary naive do not understand that.

Thus my conclusion is that it is very likely his gambling losses may have motivated his rampage...in fact I think that is the most likely reason...he had come to hate las vegas and the casinoes because he had lost so much money...he reached the point in his life where he finally realized he was a loser and there was no way he could re-coup his losses....he became depressed, he couldnt sleep, his doctor had him on valium which is known to trigger violent behavior in some. Thus when you combine all that...I maintain that his motive was a direct result of his gambling losses because he had to blame somebody else for his stupidity in losing so much money....he had such a huge ego he could not blame himself...thus he blamed Las Vegas and its casinoes....he decided to exact revenge and kill himself.

The casinoes and las vegas have not released the shooters financial situation...and the media is not putting any pressure on the casinoes to release the shooters financial information...despite the fact that such info could reveal a very direct cause in regards to the motive of the shooter.

I hope this clears up the coinfusion.
I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself

Okay...I withdraw from the discussion. I see no point in positing his motive for killing himself in advance of finding one for why he killed others. That along with the foundational premises of your proposal depending on counterfactuals -- that is, things that have not been established in order for the inferences you've made to be at least plausible beyond the realm of "anything's possible -- informs me that this not a discussion in which I need to participate further.

You seem not to understand the logic of it...I thought I made a clear case...anyhow I will try and break it down even further.....step by step...the way I see it(of course i could be wrong) based on the fact that the casinoes have not released his financial info.....is simply this: 1. he was a heavy gambler who had gambled for years which means he was a loser--mathamatically impossible for him to have not been a loser. 2. It is a well known fact at least by locals that a lot of gamblers have comitted suicide in vegas because of losing money gambling here. So many that when someone committs suicide in vegas the first thing locals think...it was probably because of his gambling. Yet in this case las vegas law enforcement seems not to have even considered that possibility....why not???? 3. He very likely had got to the point which most gamblers eventually arrive at...aka...he was a loser. Yet he had a big ego as many high-rollers do---and could not admit it was his own fault for gambling away so much money--thus he blamed the casinoes...which fostered an intense hatred of Las Vegas in him. He decided to kill himself but wanted to exact revenge on Las Vegas in the process...he was intelligent and would have known very well what he was going to do would make Las Vegas look bad as well as exact a huge economic loss for vegas...not even to mention that gambling itself would be brought under intense scrutiny and possibly more regulations in regards to the gaming industry.

That essentially is my argument...and of course just a theory on my part...but one based on a knowledge of the impact gambling has on folks that make the big mistake of engaging in it...especially if they take it to the extent that Paddock did...he practically lived in hotel/casinoes...had many houses but spent more time in hotels than he did in his various homes.

I think our big difference is that you want to look at the two issues....aka...his shooting rampage and his suicide as two seperate events that had no relationship....I say the two were tied together....he became suicidal and and wanted revenge...thus he killed innocent people in order to exact revenge on vegas and then he killed himself.

I further charge las vegas with covering up his motive of exacting revenge on Las Vegas for his gambling losses because it is the nature of law enforcement, politicians and all the big boys in Vegas to always protect vegas aka....their base of support and wealth. It is all about the money. The big boys in vegas well know that if the shooters motive was shown to be related to his gambling losses...there would be intense governmental scrutiny of las vegas gambling and possibly new regulations placed on the gaming industry that would cut into their profits...aka....limiting the amount of money someone can bet hence limiting the amount of money they may lose....this is done on some of the riverboats in the midwest. It may not prevent someone from losing all their money eventually...but it slows down the process. The bottome line is that the gambling honchos do not want any publicity about how gambling damages society...and the costs of gambling to society are horrendous but well covered up...especially in Las Vegas.

Why are you replying to me with all that prose? What part of the following statement did you not understand?
.I withdraw from the discussion

I understand you are 'withdrawing' or have 'withdrawn' but obviously you are still reading my comments and thus knowing that you would I was merely demonstrating the 'logic' of my argument whilst pointing out your failure to grasp that logic. This is not rocket science still yet for some reason you seem unable to grasp what I am saying. You seem to want to think that by withdrawing that somehow negates the logic of my theory....nonsense. Now if you were the only one having trouble seeing what I believe is the most obvious motive for the shooter I would not bother at all...but there are many who still seem lost in a fog of coinfusion...particuarly the so called investigators and the phoney journalists who are so wrapped up in fake news they have not a clue in regards to how to proceed to get to what was the motive of the shooter....they all say...oh what a great mystery...no one will ever know blahblah They have either been told not to pressure the casinoes for the financial info of the shooter or they are so ignorant and dumb they do not know how many people have comitted suicide in vegas because of gambling losses. Even worse the local governmental figures and police spokesman who know full well what a common problem suicide is in connection with gambling losses are simply and obviously trying to protect Vegas....in other words they are engaged in a cover up....yet the media either does not want to tell that story or they just do not get it....I am sure someone eventually will....maybe it will take a tabloid to do it...the msm seems to cowed by powerful people in vegas.
 
As good as any theory I have heard.

Wasn't there a report he was on anti depressant pills? Maybe the pills or the reason he was on them caused it.

Your gambling theory is possible.

Then again ISIS did claim respinsibility.

Can't believe it is taking this long to figure out myself.

He had been prescribed valium...he had a las vegas doctor on retainer ...meaning he was paying him to give him valium anytime he wanted it...whereas a responsbile physician would not have went along with that....and no doubt the drug was a factor as in it is known to provoke violence in some people.

ISIS is pretty much dead in the water...Trump has done a remarkable job of wiping them out. Of course they claimed the shooter was one of them...just to try and make it appear they are still viable.

I say again...that one of the most common reasons for suicide in vegas is gambling losses....yet this has not even been taken into account in regards to Paddock...despite the fact he was a known high roller....and had been gambling for years....and in fact spent more time staying in hotel/casinoes than he did in any of the homes he owned. There was one journalist who attempted to quiz the sheriff about the finances of the shooter...the sheriff brushed him off.
 
It's a believable theory. The last thing Las Vegas casinos would have wanted as a headline is "Las Vegas gunman was a millionaire who lost almost everything gambling, leading to depression and the worst mass shooting in US history".

The longer authorities take with the investigation, wrong timelines, video surveillance withheld, people missing, etc etc...the more this looks like some sort of "cover-up". Not as in an "all-out conspiracy theory" but possibly covering up a motive like you theorize or some sort of liability of the casinos.

Yes....exactly. The shooter's gambling losses should have been the first thing the authorities checked out. Has anyone seen a report on that. I think not...because there is no report on that.

Anyone who lives or has lived in Las Vegas knows how corrupt it is...how the hotel owners control the politicians and the police dept.

The last thing the 'big boys' want talked about by the msm is gambling losses and suicides as in how many people have killed themselves because of losing money gambling in vegas casinoes.
 
As good as any theory I have heard.

Wasn't there a report he was on anti depressant pills? Maybe the pills or the reason he was on them caused it.

Your gambling theory is possible.

Then again ISIS did claim respinsibility.

Can't believe it is taking this long to figure out myself.

He had been prescribed valium...he had a las vegas doctor on retainer ...meaning he was paying him to give him valium anytime he wanted it...whereas a responsbile physician would not have went along with that....and no doubt the drug was a factor as in it is known to provoke violence in some people.

ISIS is pretty much dead in the water...Trump has done a remarkable job of wiping them out. Of course they claimed the shooter was one of them...just to try and make it appear they are still viable.

I say again...that one of the most common reasons for suicide in vegas is gambling losses....yet this has not even been taken into account in regards to Paddock...despite the fact he was a known high roller....and had been gambling for years....and in fact spent more time staying in hotel/casinoes than he did in any of the homes he owned. There was one journalist who attempted to quiz the sheriff about the finances of the shooter...the sheriff brushed him off.

ISIS is done for?

What did we do to wipe them out?

Now I don't think this was an ISIS operation. What could it cost though, $10,000? I really imagine that to be in their budget especially if they talk some nut job into bringing his own guns.
 
Wait a minute. You're asking why the shooter killed himself? Seriously?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really give a tinker's dam why he killed himself. I want to know why he killed and injured all those people. From where I sit, his suicide isn't even newsworthy; he's just one person and odds are that while his death may affect more people than just himself, it's unlikely it irrevocably alters the lives of 500+ people.

Don't get me wrong. I have a measure of sympathy for his family members who surely bereave him, but hi killing himself really isn't the thing about which, IMO, our society as a whole need be concerned, at least not at this juncture. Maybe one day attenuating suicide rates will be something worth worrying about, but I don't think today is that day. People who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it, and there are hundreds of reasons why one may willfully do so. Unless the person leaves a note indicating why they killed themselves, I say pick a reason -- if necessary, by throwing a dart at a wall of post-it notes having the various reasons written on them --- call it that and move on.

That's a bit more contrived than I find plausible just now.

You seemed to have entirely misunderstood my point. The great question regarding the Las Vegas Shooting is....what was the motive?

What I am saying is that first one needs to consider why the shooter went suicidal....as in he had most likely decided to kill himself before he began his shooting rampage. Yet...some las vegas law enforcement people put it out that the shooter had planned to escape....which makes no sense at all. Even farther than that I would say such info from law enforcement in vegas is dis-information.

I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself as in regards to what that might have to do with his motive of killing so many innocent people.

Now there of course could be several reasons or factors in what motivated the shooter to become suicidal.

However...as someone who has lived in vegas for years....I as well as most locals understand how many people kill themselves in vegas because of gambling losses.

I further say that since he was known to be a heavy gambler and had been for years...he had to have been a loser...no one can gamble for a long period of time and be a winner...it is simply mathamatically impossible. The odds are in favor of the Casinoes....and the longer you gamble the greater effect the odds have. Anyone can hit a lucky streak for a short period of time...but in the long haul...the odds always work heavily against the gambler...otherwise the casinoes could not stay in business....all of the games in vegas are rigged in favor of the house...only the vary naive do not understand that.

Thus my conclusion is that it is very likely his gambling losses may have motivated his rampage...in fact I think that is the most likely reason...he had come to hate las vegas and the casinoes because he had lost so much money...he reached the point in his life where he finally realized he was a loser and there was no way he could re-coup his losses....he became depressed, he couldnt sleep, his doctor had him on valium which is known to trigger violent behavior in some. Thus when you combine all that...I maintain that his motive was a direct result of his gambling losses because he had to blame somebody else for his stupidity in losing so much money....he had such a huge ego he could not blame himself...thus he blamed Las Vegas and its casinoes....he decided to exact revenge and kill himself.

The casinoes and las vegas have not released the shooters financial situation...and the media is not putting any pressure on the casinoes to release the shooters financial information...despite the fact that such info could reveal a very direct cause in regards to the motive of the shooter.

I hope this clears up the coinfusion.
I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself

Okay...I withdraw from the discussion. I see no point in positing his motive for killing himself in advance of finding one for why he killed others. That along with the foundational premises of your proposal depending on counterfactuals -- that is, things that have not been established in order for the inferences you've made to be at least plausible beyond the realm of "anything's possible -- informs me that this not a discussion in which I need to participate further.

You seem not to understand the logic of it...I thought I made a clear case...anyhow I will try and break it down even further.....step by step...the way I see it(of course i could be wrong) based on the fact that the casinoes have not released his financial info.....is simply this: 1. he was a heavy gambler who had gambled for years which means he was a loser--mathamatically impossible for him to have not been a loser. 2. It is a well known fact at least by locals that a lot of gamblers have comitted suicide in vegas because of losing money gambling here. So many that when someone committs suicide in vegas the first thing locals think...it was probably because of his gambling. Yet in this case las vegas law enforcement seems not to have even considered that possibility....why not???? 3. He very likely had got to the point which most gamblers eventually arrive at...aka...he was a loser. Yet he had a big ego as many high-rollers do---and could not admit it was his own fault for gambling away so much money--thus he blamed the casinoes...which fostered an intense hatred of Las Vegas in him. He decided to kill himself but wanted to exact revenge on Las Vegas in the process...he was intelligent and would have known very well what he was going to do would make Las Vegas look bad as well as exact a huge economic loss for vegas...not even to mention that gambling itself would be brought under intense scrutiny and possibly more regulations in regards to the gaming industry.

That essentially is my argument...and of course just a theory on my part...but one based on a knowledge of the impact gambling has on folks that make the big mistake of engaging in it...especially if they take it to the extent that Paddock did...he practically lived in hotel/casinoes...had many houses but spent more time in hotels than he did in his various homes.

I think our big difference is that you want to look at the two issues....aka...his shooting rampage and his suicide as two seperate events that had no relationship....I say the two were tied together....he became suicidal and and wanted revenge...thus he killed innocent people in order to exact revenge on vegas and then he killed himself.

I further charge las vegas with covering up his motive of exacting revenge on Las Vegas for his gambling losses because it is the nature of law enforcement, politicians and all the big boys in Vegas to always protect vegas aka....their base of support and wealth. It is all about the money. The big boys in vegas well know that if the shooters motive was shown to be related to his gambling losses...there would be intense governmental scrutiny of las vegas gambling and possibly new regulations placed on the gaming industry that would cut into their profits...aka....limiting the amount of money someone can bet hence limiting the amount of money they may lose....this is done on some of the riverboats in the midwest. It may not prevent someone from losing all their money eventually...but it slows down the process. The bottome line is that the gambling honchos do not want any publicity about how gambling damages society...and the costs of gambling to society are horrendous but well covered up...especially in Las Vegas.

Why are you replying to me with all that prose? What part of the following statement did you not understand?
.I withdraw from the discussion

I understand you are 'withdrawing' or have 'withdrawn' but obviously you are still reading my comments and thus knowing that you would I was merely demonstrating the 'logic' of my argument whilst pointing out your failure to grasp that logic. This is not rocket science still yet for some reason you seem unable to grasp what I am saying. You seem to want to think that by withdrawing that somehow negates the logic of my theory....nonsense. Now if you were the only one having trouble seeing what I believe is the most obvious motive for the shooter I would not bother at all...but there are many who still seem lost in a fog of coinfusion...particuarly the so called investigators and the phoney journalists who are so wrapped up in fake news they have not a clue in regards to how to proceed to get to what was the motive of the shooter....they all say...oh what a great mystery...no one will ever know blahblah They have either been told not to pressure the casinoes for the financial info of the shooter or they are so ignorant and dumb they do not know how many people have comitted suicide in vegas because of gambling losses. Even worse the local governmental figures and police spokesman who know full well what a common problem suicide is in connection with gambling losses are simply and obviously trying to protect Vegas....in other words they are engaged in a cover up....yet the media either does not want to tell that story or they just do not get it....I am sure someone eventually will....maybe it will take a tabloid to do it...the msm seems to cowed by powerful people in vegas.
obviously you are still reading my comments

Yes, "curiosity killed the cat," as it were. Satisfaction, in this instance, did not bring him back.
 
Odds are...with the lack of evidence so far...he just hated people, the way the columbine kid hated people and he wanted to murder as many of them as he could...a megolomania disorder....
 
It's a believable theory. The last thing Las Vegas casinos would have wanted as a headline is "Las Vegas gunman was a millionaire who lost almost everything gambling, leading to depression and the worst mass shooting in US history".

The longer authorities take with the investigation, wrong timelines, video surveillance withheld, people missing, etc etc...the more this looks like some sort of "cover-up". Not as in an "all-out conspiracy theory" but possibly covering up a motive like you theorize or some sort of liability of the casinos.

Yes....exactly. The shooter's gambling losses should have been the first thing the authorities checked out. Has anyone seen a report on that. I think not...because there is no report on that.

Anyone who lives or has lived in Las Vegas knows how corrupt it is...how the hotel owners control the politicians and the police dept.

The last thing the 'big boys' want talked about by the msm is gambling losses and suicides as in how many people have killed themselves because of losing money gambling in vegas casinoes.

There are too many things that just does not jibe with a disgruntled gaming addict scenario.

1. He wired over 100K to his gal pal in the Philippines. A gambling addict would sooner use that 100K to try to win back their losses before they would just give it away.
 
It's a believable theory. The last thing Las Vegas casinos would have wanted as a headline is "Las Vegas gunman was a millionaire who lost almost everything gambling, leading to depression and the worst mass shooting in US history".

The longer authorities take with the investigation, wrong timelines, video surveillance withheld, people missing, etc etc...the more this looks like some sort of "cover-up". Not as in an "all-out conspiracy theory" but possibly covering up a motive like you theorize or some sort of liability of the casinos.

Yes....exactly. The shooter's gambling losses should have been the first thing the authorities checked out. Has anyone seen a report on that. I think not...because there is no report on that.

Anyone who lives or has lived in Las Vegas knows how corrupt it is...how the hotel owners control the politicians and the police dept.

The last thing the 'big boys' want talked about by the msm is gambling losses and suicides as in how many people have killed themselves because of losing money gambling in vegas casinoes.

There are too many things that just does not jibe with a disgruntled gaming addict scenario.

1. He wired over 100K to his gal pal in the Philippines. A gambling addict would sooner use that 100K to try to win back their losses before they would just give it away.

Yeah I guess that makes sense as well.
 
It's a believable theory. The last thing Las Vegas casinos would have wanted as a headline is "Las Vegas gunman was a millionaire who lost almost everything gambling, leading to depression and the worst mass shooting in US history".

The longer authorities take with the investigation, wrong timelines, video surveillance withheld, people missing, etc etc...the more this looks like some sort of "cover-up". Not as in an "all-out conspiracy theory" but possibly covering up a motive like you theorize or some sort of liability of the casinos.

Yes....exactly. The shooter's gambling losses should have been the first thing the authorities checked out. Has anyone seen a report on that. I think not...because there is no report on that.

Anyone who lives or has lived in Las Vegas knows how corrupt it is...how the hotel owners control the politicians and the police dept.

The last thing the 'big boys' want talked about by the msm is gambling losses and suicides as in how many people have killed themselves because of losing money gambling in vegas casinoes.

There are too many things that just does not jibe with a disgruntled gaming addict scenario.

1. He wired over 100K to his gal pal in the Philippines. A gambling addict would sooner use that 100K to try to win back their losses before they would just give it away.

There is no doubt he was a gambling addict...he was observed on video playing video poker just a short time before he started shooting people...had to get that 'last fix' in.

There is no doubt he wired 100,000 dollars to his g/f in the phillippines.

These two things alone do not mean all that much....one has to combine all the known factors about the shooter to try and arrive at some logical motive for his killing of innocent people.

One also should try and analyze what the authorities in vegas are doing or are not doing...thereby also perhaps gaining some insight into the shooters motive.

Also...one needs to analyze what might have drove the shooter to go suicidal....he was intelligent and according to the autopsy report...there was nothing clinically wrong with his brain. Thus he had to know he would either be killed or he would kill himself...he had screwed the door to his hotel room shut....which means he did not intend to try and get away as some authorities in vegas suggested.

Logically if one can determine what might have caused the shooter to become suicidal then that should shed some light on his motive. A lot of people committ suicide but they do not decide to take the lives of innocent people before they kill themselves.

Thus his motive can be viewed in certain ways...he was trying to send some kind of message...but what? he left no notes in regards to why he did what he did. Isis did claim he was a recruit...but that is not credible and certainly no evidence for it that I have seen. Perhaps he was satisfied with just killing a lot of people...as in it gave him some sort of depraved pleasure? A sociopath or psychopath? Well his father had been diagnosed as a psychopath and it is known that some mental illness runs in families....so perhaps he was just crazy and wanted to take a lot of innocent people with him....and wanted to be remembered for that?

One significant factor stands out that has not been considered...and it is a factor that has triggered many suicides in Las Vegas....he could have become suicidal because of his gambling losses. But that has not even been considered by the authorities....and they have not released any financial info on him or any info on his gambling losses. Now why is that? This is a glaring fact and a big clue as to what his possible motive may have been.

I am not saying that his gambling losses caused him to go suicidal/crazy I am simply saying as long as the authorities in Vegas refuse to release his financial and gambling info...that factor must be placed on the table of possible motives.
 

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