CDZ Is Las Vegas covering up the shooter's motive?

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  1. Sundance508
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    As someone who has lived in Las Vegas for years....I understand all too well how corrupt this place is. I am not talking about the 'mafioso' ---they were run out of town years ago.

    The Italian Mob was replaced by the 'corporate mob' some say they are worse than the eyeties.

    The mafioso certainly treated the locals better hence the well known preferance of the locals for the Italian mob rather than the corporations...who are seen as greedy as in...hard to get a comp for one thing. Not even to mention they prefer hiring foreigners.

    Anyhow...to get to my point--Many understand and locals certainly do that one of the main reasons for suicide in vegas is driven by losing too much at the casino...it really does not have to be all that much to trigger a suicide...usually just enough for the gambler to realize he will have to change his lifestyle.

    The shooter in vegas was definitely suicidal....some las vegas law enforcement was quoted as saying the guy had an escape plan....laughable....he rented the room in his own name and had screwed his door shut....how was he going to get out? Even if he had managed to get out...with his identity well known....how long could he have eluded capture. So...no....he had no plans to escape....he was suicidal and he proved that.

    So....why did he go suicidal? That is the real question and one that the investigators I am convinced really do not want the answer to because it could/would make vegas and the gambling industry as a whole look very,very bad which of course it is. Countless lives lost and more families ruined by gambling losses than most can even comprehend....yet...the journalists and so called investigators have not put the pressure on the casinoes to cough up the finances of Paddock...and anyone that knows how the casinoes operate ...knows how they keep financial records on all those who gamble in their establishments....they know how much you gamble, they know how much you win/lose. They know how much you are worth etc. And all of this information is available on their computer system and readily revealed at the touch of a button....yet...has anyone see this angle(possible motive)pursued....did in fact the shooter go suicidal because of his gambling losses? I did see one juournalist ask the sheriff about the shooters finances...his question was brushed off.

    The big boys in vegas fear unfavorable publicity and they definitely fear anything that would place government attention on how gambling hurts so many people. As in....they fear possible governmental regulations that might put a damper on how people can gamble....the corpporate heads of the casinoes care about one thing and one thing only....their bottome line....and as long as that is good.....they are happy and unconcerned about all the lives they have ruined in keeping their profits outrageously high.
     
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    As good as any theory I have heard.

    Wasn't there a report he was on anti depressant pills? Maybe the pills or the reason he was on them caused it.

    Your gambling theory is possible.

    Then again ISIS did claim respinsibility.

    Can't believe it is taking this long to figure out myself.
     
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    And....the guard that got shot was to give an interview has disappeared.
     
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    It's a believable theory. The last thing Las Vegas casinos would have wanted as a headline is "Las Vegas gunman was a millionaire who lost almost everything gambling, leading to depression and the worst mass shooting in US history".

    The longer authorities take with the investigation, wrong timelines, video surveillance withheld, people missing, etc etc...the more this looks like some sort of "cover-up". Not as in an "all-out conspiracy theory" but possibly covering up a motive like you theorize or some sort of liability of the casinos.
     
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    Wait a minute. You're asking why the shooter killed himself? Seriously?

    Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't really give a tinker's dam why he killed himself. I want to know why he killed and injured all those people. From where I sit, his suicide isn't even newsworthy; he's just one person and odds are that while his death may affect more people than just himself, it's unlikely it irrevocably alters the lives of 500+ people.

    Don't get me wrong. I have a measure of sympathy for his family members who surely bereave him, but hi killing himself really isn't the thing about which, IMO, our society as a whole need be concerned, at least not at this juncture. Maybe one day attenuating suicide rates will be something worth worrying about, but I don't think today is that day. People who want to kill themselves will find a way to do it, and there are hundreds of reasons why one may willfully do so. Unless the person leaves a note indicating why they killed themselves, I say pick a reason -- if necessary, by throwing a dart at a wall of post-it notes having the various reasons written on them --- call it that and move on.

    That's a bit more contrived than I find plausible just now.
     
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    You seemed to have entirely misunderstood my point. The great question regarding the Las Vegas Shooting is....what was the motive?

    What I am saying is that first one needs to consider why the shooter went suicidal....as in he had most likely decided to kill himself before he began his shooting rampage. Yet...some las vegas law enforcement people put it out that the shooter had planned to escape....which makes no sense at all. Even farther than that I would say such info from law enforcement in vegas is dis-information.

    I only want to talk about why the shooter decided to kill himself as in regards to what that might have to do with his motive of killing so many innocent people.

    Now there of course could be several reasons or factors in what motivated the shooter to become suicidal.

    However...as someone who has lived in vegas for years....I as well as most locals understand how many people kill themselves in vegas because of gambling losses.

    I further say that since he was known to be a heavy gambler and had been for years...he had to have been a loser...no one can gamble for a long period of time and be a winner...it is simply mathamatically impossible. The odds are in favor of the Casinoes....and the longer you gamble the greater effect the odds have. Anyone can hit a lucky streak for a short period of time...but in the long haul...the odds always work heavily against the gambler...otherwise the casinoes could not stay in business....all of the games in vegas are rigged in favor of the house...only the vary naive do not understand that.

    Thus my conclusion is that it is very likely his gambling losses may have motivated his rampage...in fact I think that is the most likely reason...he had come to hate las vegas and the casinoes because he had lost so much money...he reached the point in his life where he finally realized he was a loser and there was no way he could re-coup his losses....he became depressed, he couldnt sleep, his doctor had him on valium which is known to trigger violent behavior in some. Thus when you combine all that...I maintain that his motive was a direct result of his gambling losses because he had to blame somebody else for his stupidity in losing so much money....he had such a huge ego he could not blame himself...thus he blamed Las Vegas and its casinoes....he decided to exact revenge and kill himself.

    The casinoes and las vegas have not released the shooters financial situation...and the media is not putting any pressure on the casinoes to release the shooters financial information...despite the fact that such info could reveal a very direct cause in regards to the motive of the shooter.

    I hope this clears up the coinfusion.
     
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    Okay...I withdraw from the discussion. I see no point in positing his motive for killing himself in advance of finding one for why he killed others. That along with the foundational premises of your proposal depending on counterfactuals -- that is, things that have not been established in order for the inferences you've made to be at least plausible beyond the realm of "anything's possible -- informs me that this not a discussion in which I need to participate further.
     
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    You seem not to understand the logic of it...I thought I made a clear case...anyhow I will try and break it down even further.....step by step...the way I see it(of course i could be wrong) based on the fact that the casinoes have not released his financial info.....is simply this: 1. he was a heavy gambler who had gambled for years which means he was a loser--mathamatically impossible for him to have not been a loser. 2. It is a well known fact at least by locals that a lot of gamblers have comitted suicide in vegas because of losing money gambling here. So many that when someone committs suicide in vegas the first thing locals think...it was probably because of his gambling. Yet in this case las vegas law enforcement seems not to have even considered that possibility....why not???? 3. He very likely had got to the point which most gamblers eventually arrive at...aka...he was a loser. Yet he had a big ego as many high-rollers do---and could not admit it was his own fault for gambling away so much money--thus he blamed the casinoes...which fostered an intense hatred of Las Vegas in him. He decided to kill himself but wanted to exact revenge on Las Vegas in the process...he was intelligent and would have known very well what he was going to do would make Las Vegas look bad as well as exact a huge economic loss for vegas...not even to mention that gambling itself would be brought under intense scrutiny and possibly more regulations in regards to the gaming industry.

    That essentially is my argument...and of course just a theory on my part...but one based on a knowledge of the impact gambling has on folks that make the big mistake of engaging in it...especially if they take it to the extent that Paddock did...he practically lived in hotel/casinoes...had many houses but spent more time in hotels than he did in his various homes.

    I think our big difference is that you want to look at the two issues....aka...his shooting rampage and his suicide as two seperate events that had no relationship....I say the two were tied together....he became suicidal and and wanted revenge...thus he killed innocent people in order to exact revenge on vegas and then he killed himself.

    I further charge las vegas with covering up his motive of exacting revenge on Las Vegas for his gambling losses because it is the nature of law enforcement, politicians and all the big boys in Vegas to always protect vegas aka....their base of support and wealth. It is all about the money. The big boys in vegas well know that if the shooters motive was shown to be related to his gambling losses...there would be intense governmental scrutiny of las vegas gambling and possibly new regulations placed on the gaming industry that would cut into their profits...aka....limiting the amount of money someone can bet hence limiting the amount of money they may lose....this is done on some of the riverboats in the midwest. It may not prevent someone from losing all their money eventually...but it slows down the process. The bottome line is that the gambling honchos do not want any publicity about how gambling damages society...and the costs of gambling to society are horrendous but well covered up...especially in Las Vegas.
     
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    Why are you replying to me with all that prose? What part of the following statement did you not understand?
     

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