What If Us Atheists Are Right? Hmmmm...

[JakeStarkey]

Jefferson said Revelation was written by a madman, and I don't really give a rat's ass about when the end of the word is supposed to happen. That is unimportant to where we walk in mortality.

But I do know about today.

I do know about sin, redemption, and love.

I do know about the kingdom of suffering, and that I have found what explains that suffering, and that path I walk through it is bedrocked on faith, hope, and charity.

And I pray for all who will not try to understand the path. Best of luck to you!

 

[renoite]

I think that all these topics are just for the none christians to bash us not to hear what we got to say. But to hear what you got to say and then bash GOD some more and his people. It is not a DEBATE. A debate is two sides stateing both sides of the topic.

 

[John Lemmon]

I think that all these topics are just for the none christians to bash us not to hear what we got to say. But to hear what you got to say and then bash GOD some more and his people. It is not a DEBATE. A debate is two sides stateing both sides of the topic.

renoite, you're proof that a god cannot exist. Think about it.

 

[renoite]

I think that all these topics are just for the none christians to bash us not to hear what we got to say. But to hear what you got to say and then bash GOD some more and his people. It is not a DEBATE. A debate is two sides stateing both sides of the topic.

renoite, you're proof that a god cannot exist. Think about it.

okay I thought about and still don't agree. Because I'm here how did we get here think about it.

 

[JBeukema]

I thought...

I doubt that

 

[John Lemmon]

I think that all these topics are just for the none christians to bash us not to hear what we got to say. But to hear what you got to say and then bash GOD some more and his people. It is not a DEBATE. A debate is two sides stateing both sides of the topic.

renoite, you're proof that a god cannot exist. Think about it.

okay I thought about and still don't agree. Because I'm here how did we get here think about it.

No, I meant a god cannot exist to make such retards as you. If you're made in his image, he must be one dumb motherfucker too.

 

[Eightball]

Since you atheists are the only condescending open-minded human beings on the face of the earth, they might just bravely check out the first chapter of the book of Romans and take the time to slowly read that chapter from beginning to end. It is indeed a real eye-opener, if you atheists are open to any and all possibilites.

By the way, the number of true atheists in the world is a so minute, it doesn't register on radar. Most that call themselves atheists in reality are just agnostic, but don't know the difference.

Romans Chapter One:

Romans 1 (New American Standard Bible)

1Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, (A)called as an apostle, (B)set apart for (C)the gospel of God,
2which He (D)promised beforehand through His (E)prophets in the holy Scriptures,

3concerning His Son, who was born (F)of a descendant of David (G)according to the flesh,

4who was declared (H)the Son of God with power [a]by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,

5through whom we have received grace and (I)apostleship to bring about the (J)obedience of faith among (K)all the Gentiles for His name's sake,

6among whom you also are the (L)called of Jesus Christ;

7to all who are (M)beloved of God in Rome, called as (N)saints: (O)Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

8First, (P)I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, because (Q)your faith is being proclaimed throughout the whole world.

9For (R)God, whom I (S)serve in my spirit in the preaching of the gospel of His Son, is my witness as to how unceasingly (T)I make mention of you,

10always in my prayers making request, if perhaps now at last by (U)the will of God I may succeed in coming to you.

11For (V)I long to see you so that I may impart some spiritual gift to you, that you may be established;

12that is, that I may be encouraged together with you while among you, each of us by the other's faith, both yours and mine.

13(W)I do not want you to be unaware, (X)brethren, that often I (Y)have planned to come to you (and have been prevented so far) so that I may obtain some (Z)fruit among you also, even as among the rest of the Gentiles.

14(AA)I am under obligation both to Greeks and to (AB)barbarians, both to the wise and to the foolish.

15So, for my part, I am eager to (AC)preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome.

16For I am not (AD)ashamed of the gospel, for (AE)it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the (AF)Jew first and also to (AG)the Greek.

17For in it (AH)the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "(AI)BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

Unbelief and Its Consequences
18For (AJ)the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who (AK)suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19because (AL)that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

20For (AM)since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, (AN)being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

21For even though they knew God, they did not [c]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became (AO)futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22(AP)Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23and (AQ)exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and [d]crawling creatures.

24Therefore (AR)God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be (AS)dishonored among them.

25For they exchanged the truth of God for a (AT)lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, (AU)who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason (AV)God gave them over to (AW)degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, (AX)men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, (AY)God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are (AZ)gossips,

30slanderers, (BA)haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, (BB)disobedient to parents,

31without understanding, untrustworthy, (BC)unloving, unmerciful;

32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of (BD)death, they not only do the same, but also (BE)give hearty approval to those who practice them.

 

[amrchaos]

Come on dude, at least be original...now you're just echoing what N4dissent posted...

Find me scripture from any religion that suggests that God does not want us to believe in him. (That doesn't mean to post sources from a Satanist website.)

If god (if it actually exists) wanted us to believe, then god would have made us to be born with an innate sense of god, and we wouldn't have to study anything to know him/it.

no he made us with freedom of choice we choose

Excuse me--but if God wanted you to know GOD--You would know God.

No text. No handlers. Just you knowing God.

On the other hand, if your god is a weak god, then it is possible that you need a text--so you can learn everything that God find is important as breathing. Which brings up the question--is knowing God more important than breathing? If so, then why are humans born in ignorance of God?

 

[Eightball]

renoite, you're proof that a god cannot exist. Think about it.

okay I thought about and still don't agree. Because I'm here how did we get here think about it.

No, I meant a god cannot exist to make such retards as you. If you're made in his image, he must be one dumb motherfucker too.

Understanding the biblical definition or meaning of "In the image of God" means that we can reason, we can choose right or wrong, and we have been created with an innate understanding or intellect that ponders how all matter/existence could just be here without a causal factor.

Just because one is made in the image of God, doesn't mean one can't choose unwisely, via ignorance, or with knowledge, but does it willingly through rebellion towards any or all perceived authority.

The Mormons think that the "image of God" is a blue print for becoming or entering into Godhood. That's hopeful thinking, but heresy.

 

[Eightball]

If god (if it actually exists) wanted us to believe, then god would have made us to be born with an innate sense of god, and we wouldn't have to study anything to know him/it.

no he made us with freedom of choice we choose

Excuse me--but if God wanted you to know GOD--You would know God.

No text. No handlers. Just you knowing God.

On the other hand, if your god is a weak god, then it is possible that you need a text--so you can learn everything that God find is important as breathing. Which brings up the question--is knowing God more important than breathing? If so, then why are humans born in ignorance of God?

Appears that you are blue-printing from a human perspective how you think God operates. That's your opinion, or perspective. Your finite, and that means your mind is as well in it's understanding of life, being, creation, existence........etc... You are puting God in your humanistic box. That's ok, if it makes you feel good, but it doesn't mean your right either. In a sense, your playing Creator, by saying, "This is the way God would be or how He would communicate, if He existed at all.". Where is your authority or evidence to back that up?

 

[renoite]

renoite, you're proof that a god cannot exist. Think about it.

okay I thought about and still don't agree. Because I'm here how did we get here think about it.

No, I meant a god cannot exist to make such retards as you. If you're made in his image, he must be one dumb motherfucker too.

at this point all I can say is I agree to disagree think what you want

 

[renoite]

If god (if it actually exists) wanted us to believe, then god would have made us to be born with an innate sense of god, and we wouldn't have to study anything to know him/it.

no he made us with freedom of choice we choose

Excuse me--but if God wanted you to know GOD--You would know God.

No text. No handlers. Just you knowing God.

On the other hand, if your god is a weak god, then it is possible that you need a text--so you can learn everything that God find is important as breathing. Which brings up the question--is knowing God more important than breathing? If so, then why are humans born in ignorance of God?

cause some human are ignorant.

 

[amrchaos]

no he made us with freedom of choice we choose

Excuse me--but if God wanted you to know GOD--You would know God.

No text. No handlers. Just you knowing God.

On the other hand, if your god is a weak god, then it is possible that you need a text--so you can learn everything that God find is important as breathing. Which brings up the question--is knowing God more important than breathing? If so, then why are humans born in ignorance of God?

Appears that you are blue-printing from a human perspective how you think God operates. That's your opinion, or perspective. Your finite, and that means your mind is as well in it's understanding of life, being, creation, existence........etc... You are puting God in your humanistic box. That's ok, if it makes you feel good, but it doesn't mean your right either. In a sense, your playing Creator, by saying, "This is the way God would be or how He would communicate, if He existed at all.". Where is your authority or evidence to back that up?

Where is my authority or evidence to back this up? I am using the theologians arguement on the nature of god. The thing is, if God really want us to know him, and is all powerful, there is no need for theologians or religion.

On the other hand, if God is so infinite that no man can glimpse his glory, then we are forced to deduce that there is no true religion. Because the theologians do not understand god as well.

 

[JBeukema]

some human are ignorant.