What exactly have Liberals done for us?

[Bern80]

1. Fought for the rights of the individual against a monarchy. Wrote our Declaration of Independence and Constitution...."All men are created equal"
2. Fought for the abolition of Slavery
3. Fought for worker rights.....40 hour workweek, safe workplace, child labor laws
4. Fought for our environment
5. Fought for a womans right to vote
6. Fought for Civil Rights
7. Fought for Gay rights
8. Fought for womens equality in the workplace
9. Social Security, Medicare, Medicade

It should be noted that conservatives fought against every one of these initiatives

I'm afraid you don't get credit for #1. The liberals then were a vastly different breed then what are called liberals now. Hell they aren't even close to what JFK was. What you would like to take credit for would today look more like a moderate conservative.

As for the rest are you somehow attempting to dishonestly imply that conservatives aren't for those things? Thank you for illustrating something that liberals are. A group that tries to dupe the American people into making believe they're something they're not.

 

[namvet]

That's all your other stupid buddies in there. Comfy? ^^​

"These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis," -- Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

As the banks failed, it obviously would follow that F&F would too. Economists (even the most conservative) are no longer 'blaming' Fannie & Freddie as being instrumental. In fact, Federal Reserve Board data show that:

•More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

•Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

•Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that’s being lambasted by conservative critics. That law would be the aforementioned Community Reinvestment Act (CRA).

While Fannie and Freddie were a small part of the problem, the mortgage failure actually happened as Fannie and Freddie were had reduced their holdings of subprimes from 48% to 24% between 2004 and 2006. In fact, in 2005 and 2006, private investment banks stopped using Fannie and Freddie for two-thirds of all the mortgages they initiated, preferring instead to package them into questionable mortgage-backed securities.

a small part of the problem gracy ??? ever hear of ACORN ????

as far back as 2001

[youtube]cMnSp4qEXNM[/youtube]

 

[MaggieMae]

Libruls also gave us Income Tax and the Federal Reserve System

Both were essential for our emergence as a SuperPower

But first to save our own economy, at the respective times. Frankie needs a few history lessons, but I'm sure he won't be bothered, so I'll just toss this tidbit since he seems bent on blaming Democrats for the Federal Reserve System.


Federal Reserve Act
Newspaper clipping, December 24, 1913

The chief of the bipartisan National Monetary Commission was financial expert and Senate Republican leader Nelson Aldrich. Aldrich set up two commissions—one to study the American monetary system in depth and the other, headed by Aldrich himself, to study the European central-banking systems and report on them.[15] Aldrich went to Europe opposed to centralized banking, but after viewing Germany's monetary system he came away believing that a centralized bank was better than the government-issued bond system that he had previously supported.

 

[MaggieMae]

Libruls also gave us Income Tax and the Federal Reserve System

Both were essential for our emergence as a SuperPower

Not even remotely.

Who wrote your history and economics books that you used in school? Or did you even have those subjects? Or did you even attend high school?

How anyone can come away with such misguided information is beyond me.

 

[skookerasbil]

Listen s0n...........one answer is all that is relevant. Its called free market. It is the reason America is America and the concept upon which all else follows. That lefties dont understand the dynamic is regrettable. But it is what it is.
The foundation of the fcukked up thinking of the modern day liberal is the complete misunderstanding of how the world should be. The conservative understands that in life, there is no such thing as all winners. There are winners and losers. Thats the way it has been for thousands of years, despite all attempts to try to prove otherwise.

Listen young man...
You may sell your simplistic view of the world to your right-wing dittoheads but nobody is buying your all or nothing mentality. Nobody questions that some people succeed and some fail in our society.For the most part, Rich people deserve to be rich/Poor people deserve to be poor. However, the richest nation in the world should be able to provide a basic standard of living for its poorest citizens.
My biggest concern is for the working poor in this country. Those trying to raise a family on $20K per year. People today need to work harder to obtain the same standard of living as their parents. Our next generation will need to work harder to obtain the same standard of living as us.
Why?
Because the amount of wealth hoarded by the top 5% of the country has increased significantly in our lifetime while wages have not kept pace with the price of housing, healthcare, college educations and energy. The right wing continues to throw more money at that top 5% and any money proposed to help the working class is called "socialism"

And you think Obama's support of tax and trade is going to change that s0n?? You have the political IQ of a handball. Who will most benefit from the passage of a Cap and Trade bill? General Electric s0n..........and those in GE among 5% will benefit mightily. Yet who will suffer mightily? The middle class who will see their utility bills SKYROCKET.
Like all liberals, indeed Rightwinger is obsessed with screwing over people more successful than he, failing to take responsibility for their own fcukked up personal, career and business decisions in life. These folks hate their own country........as if something is owed to them. They get down the road a way's and the bitterness sets in, thus, a true OCD condition of relentless persuit of "getting" the capitalist......they buy into the "victim" rhetoric hook, line and stinker.
Meanwhile, the top 5% create billions of opportunites for all Americans.......jobs, technological advances, medical advances, miracle drugs........wealth creation FTW. And what did Margearet Thatcher once say? "Socialism is a beautiful thing until one realizes that eventually, you run out of other peoples money". Only the lefties think that you can build a utopia on the backs of the wealthy.............bliss for all Americans. There are tens of millions of Americans who make a conscsious decison to be a total fcukk up in life. Dolts like Rightwinger think that the way to solve that is to have somebody else pay their way...........

FCUKK THAT.............and many more people thnk the way I do compared to the way the far lefties like Rightwinger think = political fact. The 21%ers are the fringe of the fringe of society. They lose.........they are losing now...........they will always lose. Why? Because deep down, they are losers as well.........bitter and miserable doing everything possible to spite the successful!!! And lefty politicians are out there exploiting the fcukked up thinking.........the thinking that does not allow an understanding of the concept that life is about tradeoffs: suck vs. sickier. Republicans suck..........Democrats just suck more for the masses. And thats not even getting into the matter of the danger faced by our country with limpwristers in charge of foreign policy...........

Someday...........and mark my words s0ns...........limpwristers will be on display in a museum like relics of a former era. The white flag wavers wil have been given their opportunity and will go fcukk it up.............100% certainty.


anyway Rigthwinger.................on substance, you're...................

 

[MaggieMae]

You are all mixed up about "Classic Liberals" and modern day Liberals. The founders of our nation were "Classic Liberals" which is summed up best by one of the founders of the Democratic Party, Thomas Jefferson. His words are "The government that governs least governs best". Modern Liberals have turned this on its head and say "the government that governs most governs best." Too bad the Democratic Party has turned its back on Jefferson's words. He and the other founders based their philosophy on FREEDOM of the individual and personal responsibility for one's actions. So, don't dump the founders in with many of the other "Liberals" you listed, they are complete opposites. Read your history and maybe you can get it straight. By the way, another history lesson. If were not for Republican votes in the Senate the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed because many Democrats were opposed to it.

Once again, that is misguided and politically motivated pursuant to today's landscape. The founders' first and primary intent, stated in the Preamble (similar to a Resolution preceding the writing of a bill in Congress, WE, THE PEOPLE. What part of that don't you *get*?????

The founders were just as "liberal" then as it relates to what is best FOR THE PEOPLE, as "liberals" are today. It's quite simply that we are presently a nation of 305 million and our requirements reach considerably longer and wider than the tenets and guidelines contained in much of the ambiguous language in the Constitution, signed in 1789 when the population was at best estimate only 70 million.

Jefferson also said THIS, actually in 1809, several years AFTER the signing of the Constitution:

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government."

 

[MaggieMae]

It cracks me up that the current crop of moonbats like to equate they are liberals in the traditional sense.

Hint: You're not even close.
You are a shrill, knob-gobbling minority that, unfortunately, has the control of the media which enables you to push your socialist agenda on the rest of us.

So please stop trying to pretend you have the same mentality of someone like JFK. He would be a republican today most likely, for sure he would be attacked on a daily basis by the same legions of kooks you sent after Palin or anyone else conservative.

Get with the program. The current crop of liberals would probably have been hung for treason by the founders.

You aren't liberals, you're wayyyy past that now.

And of course like the rest of the cons posting in this thread, you have ZERO background to support your absurd claims. The only thing about JFK that could have remotely identified him as a Republican is that he was rich.

And the mere mention of poor politically wounded Sarah Palin says volumes about the extent of your knowledge of any of this.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. Fought for the rights of the individual against a monarchy. Wrote our Declaration of Independence and Constitution...."All men are created equal"
2. Fought for the abolition of Slavery
3. Fought for worker rights.....40 hour workweek, safe workplace, child labor laws
4. Fought for our environment
5. Fought for a womans right to vote
6. Fought for Civil Rights
7. Fought for Gay rights
8. Fought for womens equality in the workplace
9. Social Security, Medicare, Medicade

It should be noted that conservatives fought against every one of these initiatives

All those listed things would happen sooner or later regardless who got the power.

If you look closer at all listed 1-9, all that was just about the votes.

And every time there is no enough votes, Liberals come up with another special interest group that will get them or keep them atop. Once those special interest groups get what they wanted and feel safe among others, they abandon their group and assimilate with the rest.

Right now, there is a fight for government healthcare and if everything goes as planed, that would bring them new 15 million votes at the next election. If that doesnt work for any reason (any other special interest group feel threatened), they will push for something else, let's say giving legal status to illegals that equal about 10-12 million votes.

What on earth are you talking about? Getting women the right to vote was just some 'special interest' exercise?

 

[MaggieMae]

They gave the US

Hatred.

Class Warfare

Racism

Divisiveness

Jeramiah Bullfrog and the US of KKKA

Code Pink


ACLU



Pelosi


Reid


and the obamalama..



and the deaths of roughly 40 million innocents.






yuck yuci! and barf.

^^ A perfect example of the future of the Republican Party, or any other dog-eared party the cons concoct: Blithering idiots.

 

[Ame®icano]

1. Fought for the rights of the individual against a monarchy. Wrote our Declaration of Independence and Constitution...."All men are created equal"
2. Fought for the abolition of Slavery
3. Fought for worker rights.....40 hour workweek, safe workplace, child labor laws
4. Fought for our environment
5. Fought for a womans right to vote
6. Fought for Civil Rights
7. Fought for Gay rights
8. Fought for womens equality in the workplace
9. Social Security, Medicare, Medicade

It should be noted that conservatives fought against every one of these initiatives

All those listed things would happen sooner or later regardless who got the power.

If you look closer at all listed 1-9, all that was just about the votes.

And every time there is no enough votes, Liberals come up with another special interest group that will get them or keep them atop. Once those special interest groups get what they wanted and feel safe among others, they abandon their group and assimilate with the rest.

Right now, there is a fight for government healthcare and if everything goes as planed, that would bring them new 15 million votes at the next election. If that doesnt work for any reason (any other special interest group feel threatened), they will push for something else, let's say giving legal status to illegals that equal about 10-12 million votes.

What on earth are you talking about? Getting women the right to vote was just some 'special interest' exercise?

I encourage you to read what I wrote as many times needed to understand what I meant.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Libruls also gave us Income Tax and the Federal Reserve System

And you have managed to survive in spite of those. Imagine that...

Yes, we've survived in spite of those. However, the Federal Reserve is the cause of all of our economic downturns since its inception, and it's the income tax that allowed us to become the welfare/warfare state we are today. Not exactly positives.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Public Housing.
Public Schools.
Devastated US Housing Market by Bankrupting Fannie & Freddie.
SocSecurity, Medicare and Medicare all on similar glide path to bankruptcy and eventual civil war.
Threatened AAA rating of US government
Gave us the first ever unAmerican geniune Marxist President: BHObama

That's all your other stupid buddies in there. Comfy? ^^​

"These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis," -- Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

jeezus, cons still trying to rewrite the history of the real estate bubble.

 

[WillowTree]

They gave the US

Hatred.

Class Warfare

Racism

Divisiveness

Jeramiah Bullfrog and the US of KKKA

Code Pink


ACLU



Pelosi


Reid


and the obamalama..



and the deaths of roughly 40 million innocents.






yuck yuci! and barf.

^^ A perfect example of the future of the Republican Party, or any other dog-eared party the cons concoct: Blithering idiots.

phuck U

 

[MaggieMae]

It cracks me up that the current crop of moonbats like to equate they are liberals in the traditional sense.

Hint: You're not even close.
You are a shrill, knob-gobbling minority that, unfortunately, has the control of the media which enables you to push your socialist agenda on the rest of us.

So please stop trying to pretend you have the same mentality of someone like JFK. He would be a republican today most likely, for sure he would be attacked on a daily basis by the same legions of kooks you sent after Palin or anyone else conservative.

Get with the program. The current crop of liberals would probably have been hung for treason by the founders.

You aren't liberals, you're wayyyy past that now.

I think the truth is, the savage capitalista's are the ones pushing their radical agenda on the rest of us, because those who'd benefit from a bit more socialism is a huge group, much larger than your 2-3 percent "rest of us" you speak of. Capitalism is always the top few percent richest, shoving their radical agenda down the throats of the rest of us.

Capitalism never works as promised. If it did, we wouldn't have bubbles and economic tsunamis. The ebbs and flows of capitalism are unfortunately becoming more dangerous now that we operate in a global environment and not in a quasi-closed society. As a nation, I wonder how many more crashes we can take and once again slooooooooowly pull ourselves out of it with a collective WHEW.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Both were essential for our emergence as a SuperPower

Not even remotely.

Who wrote your history and economics books that you used in school? Or did you even have those subjects? Or did you even attend high school?

How anyone can come away with such misguided information is beyond me.

I couldn't tell you who wrote them exactly, but I do recall hearing about how great Lincoln was for saving the Union and how FDR got us out of the Great Depression with his brilliant economic insight. Luckily, if I may paraphrase Mark Twain, I never let my schooling get in the way of my education.

 

[MaggieMae]

I'm still curious how Thomas Jefferson and James Madison could be considered liberals when they supported nullification, which you attribute to conservatism.

You have to look at them within the context of their own era. Conservatives of the day supported the monarchy. The idea that royals are superior to the common man based on birthright. A strict class system was enforced by the conservatives of the day.
The concept that some poor dreg toiling in the field would have equal rights to a man born of royalty was decidedly liberal for its time.

Nulification is a non-issue. It relates more to a discussion of state rights vs federal government rights

You are correct, of course. Sadly, there remains a large portion of the population which continues to feel that they are privileged in that manner. I'm convinced is a genetic pass-on, frankly, and one that will never be overcome.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

It cracks me up that the current crop of moonbats like to equate they are liberals in the traditional sense.

Hint: You're not even close.
You are a shrill, knob-gobbling minority that, unfortunately, has the control of the media which enables you to push your socialist agenda on the rest of us.

So please stop trying to pretend you have the same mentality of someone like JFK. He would be a republican today most likely, for sure he would be attacked on a daily basis by the same legions of kooks you sent after Palin or anyone else conservative.

Get with the program. The current crop of liberals would probably have been hung for treason by the founders.

You aren't liberals, you're wayyyy past that now.

I think the truth is, the savage capitalista's are the ones pushing their radical agenda on the rest of us, because those who'd benefit from a bit more socialism is a huge group, much larger than your 2-3 percent "rest of us" you speak of. Capitalism is always the top few percent richest, shoving their radical agenda down the throats of the rest of us.

Capitalism never works as promised. If it did, we wouldn't have bubbles and economic tsunamis. The ebbs and flows of capitalism are unfortunately becoming more dangerous now that we operate in a global environment and not in a quasi-closed society. As a nation, I wonder how many more crashes we can take and once again slooooooooowly pull ourselves out of it with a collective WHEW.

Actually bubbles are not the fault of Capitalism. It's when the government or central bank interferes in the market by tampering with interest rates that we see misallocation of resources and bubbles forming.

 

[Ame®icano]

Capitalism never works as promised. If it did, we wouldn't have bubbles and economic tsunamis. The ebbs and flows of capitalism are unfortunately becoming more dangerous now that we operate in a global environment and not in a quasi-closed society. As a nation, I wonder how many more crashes we can take and once again slooooooooowly pull ourselves out of it with a collective WHEW.

As opposed to socialism and communism that actually works?

I guess you red Manifesto of the Communist Party...

 

[MaggieMae]

1. Fought for the rights of the individual against a monarchy. Wrote our Declaration of Independence and Constitution...."All men are created equal"
2. Fought for the abolition of Slavery
3. Fought for worker rights.....40 hour workweek, safe workplace, child labor laws
4. Fought for our environment
5. Fought for a womans right to vote
6. Fought for Civil Rights
7. Fought for Gay rights
8. Fought for womens equality in the workplace
9. Social Security, Medicare, Medicade

It should be noted that conservatives fought against every one of these initiatives

All those listed things would happen sooner or later regardless who got the power.

If you look closer at all listed 1-9, all that was just about the votes.

And every time there is no enough votes, Liberals come up with another special interest group that will get them or keep them atop. Once those special interest groups get what they wanted and feel safe among others, they abandon their group and assimilate with the rest.

Right now, there is a fight for government healthcare and if everything goes as planed, that would bring them new 15 million votes at the next election. If that doesnt work for any reason (any other special interest group feel threatened), they will push for something else, let's say giving legal status to illegals that equal about 10-12 million votes.

Interesting theory. So how would you explain the Republicans push for the Part D Prescription Drug Plan for seniors, which amounted to an UNFUNDED mandate costing billions per year? The political motivation was to get seniors to finally start voting Republican instead of Democrat (Rove/DeLay "Republicans for Life" strategy). But it backfired.

 

[MaggieMae]

"These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis," -- Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

As the banks failed, it obviously would follow that F&F would too. Economists (even the most conservative) are no longer 'blaming' Fannie & Freddie as being instrumental. In fact, Federal Reserve Board data show that:

•More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

•Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

•Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that’s being lambasted by conservative critics. That law would be the aforementioned Community Reinvestment Act (CRA).

While Fannie and Freddie were a small part of the problem, the mortgage failure actually happened as Fannie and Freddie were had reduced their holdings of subprimes from 48% to 24% between 2004 and 2006. In fact, in 2005 and 2006, private investment banks stopped using Fannie and Freddie for two-thirds of all the mortgages they initiated, preferring instead to package them into questionable mortgage-backed securities.

a small part of the problem gracy ??? ever hear of ACON ????
Huh???

as far back as 2001
Housing was booming in 2001. Why it was going so good that Bush expanded the CRA to include even more minorities, with no-questions-asked loans and ZERO down payments.

[youtube]cMnSp4qEXNM[/youtube]

Next?