What does it take for the cops to break into your house and steal your guns?

[I.P.Freely]

Federal police have awesome power. They are funded by the federal bureaucracy and generally have politically appointed low experience leadership. The Waco debacle is an example of federal abuse at it's most dangerous time in history. Branch Dividians legally obtained rusty hunks of former WW2 British junk and legally sent away for brochures about restoring the rusty junk. Not one piece of crap ever came close to being restored to firing condition but the ATF was facing a budget hearing and they needed a high profile arrest. After 80 men, women and children were incinerated by poison gas and tanks the liberal media covered for the federal agency and the basis for the original warrant was conveniently forgotten.

We were told that Koresh was a paedophile who with his followers was raping children?
Waco siege survivor claims David Koresh slept with children | Mail Online

 

[jon_berzerk]

We need a revolution in this country to get back or freedoms.

Molon Labe

Uhhh....

Maybe not.

It depends on who's leading the rebellion.

We could end up with something more horrific than obozo quite easily.

We need an electoral revolution. That way we all keep our guns (even the moonbats who have them), and no one has to be slaughtered en masse.

over all he really has been

a pretty shitty prezbo

but it is true we could end up in even a worse spot

 

[jon_berzerk]

Federal police have awesome power. They are funded by the federal bureaucracy and generally have politically appointed low experience leadership. The Waco debacle is an example of federal abuse at it's most dangerous time in history. Branch Dividians legally obtained rusty hunks of former WW2 British junk and legally sent away for brochures about restoring the rusty junk. Not one piece of crap ever came close to being restored to firing condition but the ATF was facing a budget hearing and they needed a high profile arrest. After 80 men, women and children were incinerated by poison gas and tanks the liberal media covered for the federal agency and the basis for the original warrant was conveniently forgotten.

We were told that Koresh was a paedophile who with his followers was raping children?
Waco siege survivor claims David Koresh slept with children | Mail Online

possible

in Iran when the government goes on one of its hang a Christian stints

and they cant get the people behind it

they often claim the pastor is gay as a fall back

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And she was pretty stupid for wearing an empty holster to that session.

That part you got right.

 

[I.P.Freely]

Federal police have awesome power. They are funded by the federal bureaucracy and generally have politically appointed low experience leadership. The Waco debacle is an example of federal abuse at it's most dangerous time in history. Branch Dividians legally obtained rusty hunks of former WW2 British junk and legally sent away for brochures about restoring the rusty junk. Not one piece of crap ever came close to being restored to firing condition but the ATF was facing a budget hearing and they needed a high profile arrest. After 80 men, women and children were incinerated by poison gas and tanks the liberal media covered for the federal agency and the basis for the original warrant was conveniently forgotten.

We were told that Koresh was a paedophile who with his followers was raping children?
Waco siege survivor claims David Koresh slept with children | Mail Online

possible

in Iran when the government goes on one of its hang a Christian stints

and they cant get the people behind it

they often claim the pastor is gay as a fall back

are you comparing the greatest country in the world with Iran?

 

[Wildman]

Perhaps someone can point out where in the Constitution of gives a shrink the right to order the police to detain someone?

Learn what Extra-Constitutional means. Most of the laws on the books are just that.

right on and those fucking books need to be burned ....

 

[BlindBoo]

Because exercising your rights is always stupid, right?

Always is always too definitive. I would say sometimes. Imo, wearing an empty holster anytime is stupid but, apparently in Wisconsin doing that while talking to your psychiatrist and mentioning blowing your brains out is even more so.

To sum it up, Wisconsin is a tyrannical government that will disabuse people of their illusionary rights, and you think that is hunky dory because it was all done in the name of public safety, or some such shit.

Nope. In short it's a funny story about police abuse, overreach by the government and the stupidity of a certain person. The only way it could have been more ironic is if the cop would have shot her dead.

 

[Skull Pilot]

A judgment call but sounds like they played it just fine considering. Society does step in in such cases.

Suicide is not a crime so no they didn't play it just fine.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

A judgment call but sounds like they played it just fine considering. Society does step in in such cases.

Suicide is not a crime so no they didn't play it just fine.

It was once, in many states, but the issue is rather more complicated than that. Had she simply blown her head off, that would have been one thing. Telling your doctor that's your plan changes things in a hurry.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hint, it isn't a search warrant, or even probable cause.

Last week a federal appeals court ruled that "exigent circumstances" made it appropriate for Milwaukee police to break into the home of a local gun rights activist without a warrant. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit conceded that the officers may have violated the Fourth Amendment when they forced open a locked container and seized the woman's handgun. But the court concluded that they were protected by qualified immunity because it was reasonable for them to believe their actions were legal. After all, they were only trying to protect her. From herself. The decision shows how a single contested remark during a psychotherapy session can strip a law-abiding citizen of her Fourth and Second amendment rights. It also shows how emergency exceptions to the warrant requirement that usually applies to home searches have been stretched to encompass situations that cannot reasonably be viewed as emergencies.
It all began with a call to police around noon on March 22, 2011. Michelle Bentle, a Milwaukee psychiatrist, reported that a patient, Krysta Sutterfield, had talked about suicide during a session that had just ended. According to Bentle, Sutterfield, who had recently received some bad news, said, "I guess I'll go home and blow my brains out." Sutterfield later contradicted Bentle's account, although it is not hard to imagine someone in distress saying something like that without any serious suicidal intent. In any case, that alleged remark was the basis for all that followed—that and the fact that Sutterfield, who was known to exercise her Second Amendment rights by openly carrying a pistol, "had worn an empty gun holster to her appointment, from which [Bentle] surmised that Sutterfield owned a gun."
Police decided to rescue Sutterfield, but it took a while. At first she wasn't home, although evidently she heard the cops were looking for her, because she phoned Bentle around 2:45 p.m. "stating that she was not in need of assistance and that the doctor should 'call off' the police search for her." Bentle passed that information on to the police, who were undeterred. After the call indicating that Sutterfield was alive and well, two officers filled out a Statement of Emergency Detention by Law Enforcement Officer, the form that Wisconsin law prescribes for situations in which police believe someone is mentally ill and apt to harm himself. That form, which requires no judicial approval, is enough for a psychiatric detention lasting up to four days, which may result in further detention and forcible treatment.

What It Takes for Cops to Break Into Your House, Kidnap You, and Steal Your Guns (Hint: It's Not a Warrant) - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Hence, you (especially) need to be careful about what you write or say. Being a danger to oneself or others is normally a subjective judgment, when a person is so obsessed with their guns and uses inflated language such a judgment is easily understood. Cops and judges, shrinks and lawyers too are all common targets of unstable persons and may be more inclined to find exigent circumstances.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Federal police have awesome power. They are funded by the federal bureaucracy and generally have politically appointed low experience leadership. The Waco debacle is an example of federal abuse at it's most dangerous time in history. Branch Dividians legally obtained rusty hunks of former WW2 British junk and legally sent away for brochures about restoring the rusty junk. Not one piece of crap ever came close to being restored to firing condition but the ATF was facing a budget hearing and they needed a high profile arrest. After 80 men, women and children were incinerated by poison gas and tanks the liberal media covered for the federal agency and the basis for the original warrant was conveniently forgotten.

We were told that Koresh was a paedophile who with his followers was raping children?
Waco siege survivor claims David Koresh slept with children | Mail Online

We were? I never got that telling.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hint, it isn't a search warrant, or even probable cause.

Last week a federal appeals court ruled that "exigent circumstances" made it appropriate for Milwaukee police to break into the home of a local gun rights activist without a warrant. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit conceded that the officers may have violated the Fourth Amendment when they forced open a locked container and seized the woman's handgun. But the court concluded that they were protected by qualified immunity because it was reasonable for them to believe their actions were legal. After all, they were only trying to protect her. From herself. The decision shows how a single contested remark during a psychotherapy session can strip a law-abiding citizen of her Fourth and Second amendment rights. It also shows how emergency exceptions to the warrant requirement that usually applies to home searches have been stretched to encompass situations that cannot reasonably be viewed as emergencies.
It all began with a call to police around noon on March 22, 2011. Michelle Bentle, a Milwaukee psychiatrist, reported that a patient, Krysta Sutterfield, had talked about suicide during a session that had just ended. According to Bentle, Sutterfield, who had recently received some bad news, said, "I guess I'll go home and blow my brains out." Sutterfield later contradicted Bentle's account, although it is not hard to imagine someone in distress saying something like that without any serious suicidal intent. In any case, that alleged remark was the basis for all that followed—that and the fact that Sutterfield, who was known to exercise her Second Amendment rights by openly carrying a pistol, "had worn an empty gun holster to her appointment, from which [Bentle] surmised that Sutterfield owned a gun."
Police decided to rescue Sutterfield, but it took a while. At first she wasn't home, although evidently she heard the cops were looking for her, because she phoned Bentle around 2:45 p.m. "stating that she was not in need of assistance and that the doctor should 'call off' the police search for her." Bentle passed that information on to the police, who were undeterred. After the call indicating that Sutterfield was alive and well, two officers filled out a Statement of Emergency Detention by Law Enforcement Officer, the form that Wisconsin law prescribes for situations in which police believe someone is mentally ill and apt to harm himself. That form, which requires no judicial approval, is enough for a psychiatric detention lasting up to four days, which may result in further detention and forcible treatment.

What It Takes for Cops to Break Into Your House, Kidnap You, and Steal Your Guns (Hint: It's Not a Warrant) - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Hence, you (especially) need to be careful about what you write or say. Being a danger to oneself or others is normally a subjective judgment, when a person is so obsessed with their guns and uses inflated language such a judgment is easily understood. Cops and judges, shrinks and lawyers too are all common targets of unstable persons and may be more inclined to find exigent circumstances.

Hence, Wry Catcher thinks thought crimes are punishable by death.

All I got to say to you, is stay the fuck out of my way if I ever decide to commit a thought crime, you might get hurt.

 

[I.P.Freely]

Hint, it isn't a search warrant, or even probable cause.

What It Takes for Cops to Break Into Your House, Kidnap You, and Steal Your Guns (Hint: It's Not a Warrant) - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Hence, you (especially) need to be careful about what you write or say. Being a danger to oneself or others is normally a subjective judgment, when a person is so obsessed with their guns and uses inflated language such a judgment is easily understood. Cops and judges, shrinks and lawyers too are all common targets of unstable persons and may be more inclined to find exigent circumstances.

Hence, Wry Catcher thinks thought crimes are punishable by death.

All I got to say to you, is stay the fuck out of my way if I ever decide to commit a thought crime, you might get hurt.