Was Ross Perot Right

[kyzr]

That "giant sucking sound" we heard were US manufacturing jobs going away, and the US standard of living declining.

 

[rightwinger]

US manufacturing jobs are gone and they are not coming back. The US cannot afford to keep looking back, we need to pursue the jobs of the future not the jobs of the past.

 

[kyzr]

US manufacturing jobs are gone and they are not coming back. The US cannot afford to keep looking back, we need to pursue the jobs of the future not the jobs of the past.

I disagree strongly. You need to describe what jobs you think can create wealth and employ the great unwashed middle and lower classes. When the US trade deficit is trillions we are losing wealth and our standard of living declining.

What new "service economy" jobs "create wealth" and can employ large numbers of middle America? IMHO we need to bring manufacturing back, especially hi-tech, pharma, autos.

 

[Xenophon]

Of course he was right, he was a businessman who knew what he was talking about, which is why I voted for him twice.

 

[uscitizen]

US manufacturing jobs are gone and they are not coming back. The US cannot afford to keep looking back, we need to pursue the jobs of the future not the jobs of the past.

Sounds nice, however is just nice sounding rhetoric.
What jobs?
We are the mobile workforce of the 21'st century. Temps with no benefits.

Service sector jobs slinging burgers? Retail sales clerks?
I guess we will have our economy 90% dependent on consumer spending.

 

[Xenophon]

US manufacturing jobs are gone and they are not coming back. The US cannot afford to keep looking back, we need to pursue the jobs of the future not the jobs of the past.

I disagree strongly. You need to describe what jobs you think can create wealth and employ the great unwashed middle and lower classes. When the US trade deficit is trillions we are losing wealth and our standard of living declining.

What new "service economy" jobs "create wealth" and can employ large numbers of middle America? IMHO we need to bring manufacturing back, especially hi-tech, pharma, autos.

We have lost an entire industry we created to India, the technical computer support thing.

Try calling Microsoft, Dell or any of the big tech corps, their 'help' is always a direct line to India, and no matter who you talk to they always 'have to ask their supervisor' and have you on hold for hours.

 

[uscitizen]

Much of our software development is also done in India now.

 

[rightwinger]

US manufacturing jobs are gone and they are not coming back. The US cannot afford to keep looking back, we need to pursue the jobs of the future not the jobs of the past.

Sounds nice, however is just nice sounding rhetoric.
What jobs?
We are the mobile workforce of the 21'st century. Temps with no benefits.

Service sector jobs slinging burgers? Retail sales clerks?
I guess we will have our economy 90% dependent on consumer spending.

What are the new jobs of the 21st century?

The answer is "Who the hell knows?" thats what we have to find out. If you think regaining assembly line jobs is the wave of the future you are sadly mistaken.

What is the "next big thing"?

Defense jobs
"Green" Jobs
Medical research and medical care
Transportation

The US needs to be ahead of the curve in creating new technologies. Moaning because we no longer control the old technologies accomplishes nothing

 

[kyzr]

I watch business news most of the day. All day long this is what I hear

"Invest overseas, thats where the opportunities are, overseas markets are growing and the US market is declining. Profit on the transfer of wealth from the US to other growing economies."

Unless Obama stops this transfer of wealth, the US will experience "poverty" like the depression. You can only live by borrowing money so long, then you go bankrupt. It will be very hard unless they start turning the economy around. They moved jobs overseas for 20-years or so, it will take years to grow jobs, and we're still moving jobs overseas as you read this.

Congress and Obama have done nothing to stop the loss of jobs or to create new jobs.

 

[uscitizen]

US manufacturing jobs are gone and they are not coming back. The US cannot afford to keep looking back, we need to pursue the jobs of the future not the jobs of the past.

Sounds nice, however is just nice sounding rhetoric.
What jobs?
We are the mobile workforce of the 21'st century. Temps with no benefits.

Service sector jobs slinging burgers? Retail sales clerks?
I guess we will have our economy 90% dependent on consumer spending.

What are the new jobs of the 21st century?

The answer is "Who the hell knows?" thats what we have to find out. If you think regaining assembly line jobs is the wave of the future you are sadly mistaken.

What is the "next big thing"?

Defense jobs
"Green" Jobs
Medical research and medical care
Transportation

The US needs to be ahead of the curve in creating new technologies. Moaning because we no longer control the old technologies accomplishes nothing

Again sounds nice but "Where's the Beef?"

A solar cell manufacturing plant in the NE that got tax credits is offshoring manufacturing to China.

 

[rightwinger]

Sounds nice, however is just nice sounding rhetoric.
What jobs?
We are the mobile workforce of the 21'st century. Temps with no benefits.

Service sector jobs slinging burgers? Retail sales clerks?
I guess we will have our economy 90% dependent on consumer spending.

What are the new jobs of the 21st century?

The answer is "Who the hell knows?" thats what we have to find out. If you think regaining assembly line jobs is the wave of the future you are sadly mistaken.

What is the "next big thing"?

Defense jobs
"Green" Jobs
Medical research and medical care
Transportation

The US needs to be ahead of the curve in creating new technologies. Moaning because we no longer control the old technologies accomplishes nothing

Again sounds nice but "Where's the Beef?"

A solar cell manufacturing plant in the NE that got tax credits is offshoring manufacturing to China.

Who knows where the beef is? It may be a technology that is not even invented yet

We do know where the beef isn't, and thats the lost manufacturing jobs

 

[kyzr]

Who knows where the beef is? It may be a technology that is not even invented yet

We do know where the beef isn't, and thats the lost manufacturing jobs

Unacceptable answer. Obama is supposedly driving the bus. He is responsible for the US and the US economy. The direct question that he needs to answer is what new jobs will be created so people can make a living? It is a serious question, not a "theoretical" one.

Get serious, the US needs to start creating jobs, WHERE, HOW?

 

[uscitizen]

What are the new jobs of the 21st century?

The answer is "Who the hell knows?" thats what we have to find out. If you think regaining assembly line jobs is the wave of the future you are sadly mistaken.

What is the "next big thing"?

Defense jobs
"Green" Jobs
Medical research and medical care
Transportation

The US needs to be ahead of the curve in creating new technologies. Moaning because we no longer control the old technologies accomplishes nothing

Again sounds nice but "Where's the Beef?"

A solar cell manufacturing plant in the NE that got tax credits is offshoring manufacturing to China.

Who knows where the beef is? It may be a technology that is not even invented yet

We do know where the beef isn't, and thats the lost manufacturing jobs

So we as a nation just consume what other nations manufacture?

Realistically, how long can that last?

Actually till about a year and a half ago.

 

[uscitizen]

I guess we could everyone just make our livings off of the stock markets and produce absolutely nothing.

 

[Xenophon]

Who knows where the beef is? It may be a technology that is not even invented yet

We do know where the beef isn't, and thats the lost manufacturing jobs

Unacceptable answer. Obama is supposedly driving the bus. He is responsible for the US and the US economy. The direct question that he needs to answer is what new jobs will be created so people can make a living? It is a serious question, not a "theoretical" one.

Get serious, the US needs to start creating jobs, WHERE, HOW?

If teh gov actually bothered with stopping the flow of out sourcing the way they waste time and effort of boondoggles like barrycare we might get somewhere.

But no, its far more important to them to waste an extra trillion on a mess then to do something constructive.

 

[NYcarbineer]

That "giant sucking sound" we heard were US manufacturing jobs going away, and the US standard of living declining.

Yes. We are a nation in decline and in denial of that decline.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I vote "other." Unfortunately that option was not avaialable.
NAFTA was not a joke. The notion that the U.S. economy can compete internationally while paying $40 an hour for unskilled, manufacturing labor is the joke. You can't pay more than something is worth just to maintain an artificially inflated lifestyle.
The U.S. economy needs to evolve and carve out a new niche in the international market place based on technological innovation - especially in the energy field.

 

[uscitizen]

I vote "other." Unfortunately that option was not avaialable.
NAFTA was not a joke. The notion that the U.S. economy can compete internationally while paying $40 an hour for unskilled, manufacturing labor is the joke. You can't pay more than something is worth just to maintain an artificially inflated lifestyle.
The U.S. economy needs to evolve and carve out a new niche in the international market place based on technological innovation - especially in the energy field.

Ahh yes sounds nice, but isn't gonna happen in the next 5 years.

Instead our standard of living is going to decline as it has been for 10 years or so, but living on credit and cheap Chinese imports dulled the impact up till a year and a half ago or so.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I vote "other." Unfortunately that option was not avaialable.
NAFTA was not a joke. The notion that the U.S. economy can compete internationally while paying $40 an hour for unskilled, manufacturing labor is the joke. You can't pay more than something is worth just to maintain an artificially inflated lifestyle.
The U.S. economy needs to evolve and carve out a new niche in the international market place based on technological innovation - especially in the energy field.

Ahh yes sounds nice, but isn't gonna happen in the next 5 years.

Instead our standard of living is going to decline as it has been for 10 years or so, but living on credit and cheap Chinese imports dulled the impact up till a year and a half ago or so.

IMHO - The U.S. standard of living HAS been artificially inflated. And it's been going on for a LOT longer than 10 years. I'm old enough to remember "cheap" Japanese imports.

And IMHO the road back doesn't include an artificial quick fix.

 

[rightwinger]

I vote "other." Unfortunately that option was not avaialable.
NAFTA was not a joke. The notion that the U.S. economy can compete internationally while paying $40 an hour for unskilled, manufacturing labor is the joke. You can't pay more than something is worth just to maintain an artificially inflated lifestyle.
The U.S. economy needs to evolve and carve out a new niche in the international market place based on technological innovation - especially in the energy field.

Ahh yes sounds nice, but isn't gonna happen in the next 5 years.

Instead our standard of living is going to decline as it has been for 10 years or so, but living on credit and cheap Chinese imports dulled the impact up till a year and a half ago or so.

We don't care about the next 5 years. We need to position ourselves for the next 50 years