Was Ross Perot Right

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Was Ross Perot Right?

  1. Yes, US jobs went away with many US factories, NAFTA was DUMB

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  2. No, the "service economy" isn't a hoax, we're all fine

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  3. Ross was a joke. the economy is "as sound as the US dollar"

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  4. No, Obama will bring back US manufcaturing jobs.

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    That "giant sucking sound" we heard were US manufacturing jobs going away, and the US standard of living declining.
     
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    US manufacturing jobs are gone and they are not coming back. The US cannot afford to keep looking back, we need to pursue the jobs of the future not the jobs of the past.
     
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    I disagree strongly. You need to describe what jobs you think can create wealth and employ the great unwashed middle and lower classes. When the US trade deficit is trillions we are losing wealth and our standard of living declining.

    What new "service economy" jobs "create wealth" and can employ large numbers of middle America? IMHO we need to bring manufacturing back, especially hi-tech, pharma, autos.
     
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    Of course he was right, he was a businessman who knew what he was talking about, which is why I voted for him twice.
     
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    Sounds nice, however is just nice sounding rhetoric.
    What jobs?
    We are the mobile workforce of the 21'st century. Temps with no benefits.

    Service sector jobs slinging burgers? Retail sales clerks?
    I guess we will have our economy 90% dependent on consumer spending.
     
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    We have lost an entire industry we created to India, the technical computer support thing.

    Try calling Microsoft, Dell or any of the big tech corps, their 'help' is always a direct line to India, and no matter who you talk to they always 'have to ask their supervisor' and have you on hold for hours.
     
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    Much of our software development is also done in India now.
     
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    What are the new jobs of the 21st century?

    The answer is "Who the hell knows?" thats what we have to find out. If you think regaining assembly line jobs is the wave of the future you are sadly mistaken.

    What is the "next big thing"?

    Defense jobs
    "Green" Jobs
    Medical research and medical care
    Transportation

    The US needs to be ahead of the curve in creating new technologies. Moaning because we no longer control the old technologies accomplishes nothing
     
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    I watch business news most of the day. All day long this is what I hear

    "Invest overseas, thats where the opportunities are, overseas markets are growing and the US market is declining. Profit on the transfer of wealth from the US to other growing economies."

    Unless Obama stops this transfer of wealth, the US will experience "poverty" like the depression. You can only live by borrowing money so long, then you go bankrupt. It will be very hard unless they start turning the economy around. They moved jobs overseas for 20-years or so, it will take years to grow jobs, and we're still moving jobs overseas as you read this.

    Congress and Obama have done nothing to stop the loss of jobs or to create new jobs.
     
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    Again sounds nice but "Where's the Beef?"

    A solar cell manufacturing plant in the NE that got tax credits is offshoring manufacturing to China.
     

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