Zone1 Urim and Thummim

[Cougarbear]

Interesting read: The Urim & Thummim

The Urim and Thummim did not work when there were no more prophets. But, it also says this: "By means of the Urim, the priest inquired of YHWH on behalf of the ruler (Num. 27:21; cf. Yoma 7:5, "only for the king, the high court, or someone serving a need of the community"); they were one of the three legitimate means of obtaining oracles in early Israel (Urim, dreams, prophets);" Which Church claims to have used the Urim and Thummim? The Catholic Church? No. The Jewish rabbis around the world? No. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Yes! And, we have prophets, seers and revelators called Apostles. Good to know.

 

[BS Filter]

Interesting read: The Urim & Thummim

The Urim and Thummim did not work when there were no more prophets. But, it also says this: "By means of the Urim, the priest inquired of YHWH on behalf of the ruler (Num. 27:21; cf. Yoma 7:5, "only for the king, the high court, or someone serving a need of the community"); they were one of the three legitimate means of obtaining oracles in early Israel (Urim, dreams, prophets);" Which Church claims to have used the Urim and Thummim? The Catholic Church? No. The Jewish rabbis around the world? No. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Yes! And, we have prophets, seers and revelators called Apostles. Good to know.

All I need is Jesus and my Bible.

 

[Cougarbear]

All I need is Jesus and my Bible.

You have neither. You discard proof in the Bible for the list I provided meaning you reject Jesus Christ.

 

[BS Filter]

You have neither. You discard proof in the Bible for the list I provided meaning you reject Jesus Christ.

Now you look like a fool. You don't know anything about me. You can't back up your beliefs with Scripture so all you have is childish cheap shots.

 

[Cougarbear]

Now you look like a fool. You don't know anything about me. You can't back up your beliefs with Scripture so all you have is childish cheap shots.

I’ve backed up all my points with scripture. I haven’t given any cheap shots. Everything I and others have backed up our statements with scripture.

 

[BS Filter]

I’ve backed up all my points with scripture. I haven’t given any cheap shots. Everything I and others have backed up our statements with scripture.

Then show me Scripture that speaks about the wedding underwear and says that Jesus and Satan are spirit-brothers.

 

[Cougarbear]

Then show me Scripture that speaks about the wedding underwear and says that Jesus and Satan are spirit-brothers.

We don’t have wedding underwear.
We are and were part of the hosts of heaven. So was Jehovah and Lucifer. They were spirit off-spring of our heavenly parents as are we. We are all brothers and sisters. It’s in scripture. Maybe not spell out concisely but that’s where your brain comes in to think. I know there’s a large hole there but do try.

 

[BS Filter]

We don’t have wedding underwear.
We are and were part of the hosts of heaven. So was Jehovah and Lucifer. They were spirit off-spring of our heavenly parents as are we. We are all brothers and sisters. It’s in scripture. Maybe not spell out concisely but that’s where your brain comes in to think. I know there’s a large hole there but do try.

I don't use my mind to entertain fairy tales invented by false prophets. The Scriptures are not to be used in the manner that you and Jehovah's Witnesses use them. This is serious business. I have too much respect for Scripture to twist it. All I know for sure is God loves me and Jesus promised He will never leave me and I will spend eternity with Him. That's what I know. I don't need to entertain vain imaginations from false prophets, and lds is a false prophet.

 

[Cougarbear]

I don't use my mind to entertain fairy tales invented by false prophets. The Scriptures are not to be used in the manner that you and Jehovah's Witnesses use them. This is serious business. I have too much respect for Scripture to twist it.

Correct. You don’t use your mind. We agree on that. We are not JWs. We believe Jehovah came down as Jesus Christ. They do not. End of comparison.

 

[BS Filter]

Correct. You don’t use your mind. We agree on that. We are not JWs. We believe Jehovah came down as Jesus Christ. They do not. End of comparison.

You both claim to be the only true Christian religion.

 

[Cougarbear]

You both claim to be the only true Christian religion.

Do you believe Jehovah came down to become Jesus Christ? If you are a Christian, you would say yes. JW's don't believe this so how could they be a true Christian religion or Church?

 

[BS Filter]

Do you believe Jehovah came down to become Jesus Christ? If you are a Christian, you would say yes. JW's don't believe this so how could they be a true Christian religion or Church?

Yes, but I don't believe the Father had sexual intercourse with Mary. The point I'm trying to make here is that both Mormons and JWs claim to be the only true Christian organization. One of you is wrong or both of you are wrong.

 

[Cougarbear]

Yes, but I don't believe the Father had sexual intercourse with Mary. The point I'm trying to make here is that both Mormons and JWs claim to be the only true Christian organization. One of you is wrong or both of you are wrong.

I don’t either believe he did. Neither does the Church. I don’t know what method was used to put Father’s sperm in Mary’s egg. But, it wasn’t until in vitro fertilization happened that the idea of sex took place is pretty much the only way it could happen in the minds of men. As I’ve stated before, opinions are not doctrine. You quoted opinions or discourses. Not doctrine. So, for you to say our church believes this is a lie. I don’t know what JWs believe about this since they don’t believe Jesus is the literal sin of God nor a God. So, when addressing me, leave JWs out of it.

 

[BS Filter]

I don’t either believe he did. Neither does the Church. I don’t know what method was used to put Father’s sperm in Mary’s egg. But, it wasn’t until in vitro fertilization happened that the idea of sex took place is pretty much the only way it could happen in the minds of men. As I’ve stated before, opinions are not doctrine. You quoted opinions or discourses. Not doctrine. So, for you to say our church believes this is a lie. I don’t know what JWs believe about this since they don’t believe Jesus is the literal sin of God nor a God. So, when addressing me, leave JWs out of it.

Now you're trying to censor me. I don't think I can allow you to do that. I believe your church believes the Father literally had physical intercourse with Mary. Your church also believes that you can become God and create your own universe. Your early prophets certainly believed God had sex with Mary. So what authority do you have that allows you to contradict your own prophets?

 

[Papageorgio]

Interesting read: The Urim & Thummim

The Urim and Thummim did not work when there were no more prophets. But, it also says this: "By means of the Urim, the priest inquired of YHWH on behalf of the ruler (Num. 27:21; cf. Yoma 7:5, "only for the king, the high court, or someone serving a need of the community"); they were one of the three legitimate means of obtaining oracles in early Israel (Urim, dreams, prophets);" Which Church claims to have used the Urim and Thummim? The Catholic Church? No. The Jewish rabbis around the world? No. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Yes! And, we have prophets, seers and revelators called Apostles. Good to know.

I studied Mormonism many decades ago, I am happy you found what you were looking for.

 

[Cougarbear]

Now you're trying to censor me. I don't think I can allow you to do that. I believe your church believes the Father literally had physical intercourse with Mary. Your church also believes that you can become God and create your own universe. Your early prophets certainly believed God had sex with Mary. So what authority do you have that allows you to contradict your own prophets?

Show me where it is in our doctrine. Go ahead. As I stated before, it doesn't matter what our prophets said when not speaking as a prophet of God. You are a liar, rumormonger and a falsebearer. You will not get into heaven doing that because it is in the same category as murder and homosexual acts.

As far as us becoming Gods of our own universes, this is also what many believe, but is not doctrine. You won't find this in our scriptures either. Only that which is in our scriptures is what the Church believes. You are not the Church, nor an authority of the Church and therefore your statements are lies. You need to stop before you zapped by a lightening bolt.

About what constitute the correct belief of any Church, you have to go there. I don't know for instance what the Catholic Church actually believes because I don't know what their standard is for Church doctrine. Is it only their bible or is it something else. Take for instance, socialism. Many popes have adopted the opinion that socialism should be the practice of every country. But, that doesn't mean that every Diocese adopts that belief. As with some of the General Authorities of our Church may have an opinion that the Father had sex with Mary, doesn't mean all of the authorities or members agreed. And, no one who did not agree was ever disciplined or excommunicated because it was only opinion.

 

[BS Filter]

Show me where it is in our doctrine. Go ahead. As I stated before, it doesn't matter what our prophets said when not speaking as a prophet of God. You are a liar, rumormonger and a falsebearer. You will not get into heaven doing that because it is in the same category as murder and homosexual acts.

As far as us becoming Gods of our own universes, this is also what many believe, but is not doctrine. You won't find this in our scriptures either. Only that which is in our scriptures is what the Church believes. You are not the Church, nor an authority of the Church and therefore your statements are lies. You need to stop before you zapped by a lightening bolt.

About what constitute the correct belief of any Church, you have to go there. I don't know for instance what the Catholic Church actually believes because I don't know what their standard is for Church doctrine. Is it only their bible or is it something else. Take for instance, socialism. Many popes have adopted the opinion that socialism should be the practice of every country. But, that doesn't mean that every Diocese adopts that belief. As with some of the General Authorities of our Church may have an opinion that the Father had sex with Mary, doesn't mean all of the authorities or members agreed. And, no one who did not agree was ever disciplined or excommunicated because it was only opinion.

So it looks like even you don't believe the crap your prophets spew. Thanks.

 

[Cougarbear]

So it looks like even you don't believe the crap your prophets spew. Thanks.

Why would I today? We are able to see that another way was possible. There may be another way we as humans haven't found yet. But, it does make sense that the Holy Ghost could have easily done the doctoring with in vitro fertilization. Jesus said that "If you have seen me you have seen the Father" meaning in him, he is the literal offspring of the Father and his image is that of the Father. Sons often to resemble their fathers.

As I stated about Blacks and the Priesthood, when something is unknown, that doesn't stop people from having opinions wrong or right. When the Lord gave to the Prophet, Spencer W. Kimball, the "Thus sayeth the Lord" that all men may have the priesthood conferred upon them, the response was of those who speculated a lot of opinions and theories is that they concluded they were all wrong. If there was a reason, it was not revealed to the world. So, you still have people guessing the reason.

Today, we find no speculation from the leaders. Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little, the Church and it's people have grown to learn how to relate to each other and to the world. It's contentious people like yourself that keep Satan happy and busy.

 

[BS Filter]

Why would I today? We are able to see that another way was possible. There may be another way we as humans haven't found yet. But, it does make sense that the Holy Ghost could have easily done the doctoring with in vitro fertilization. Jesus said that "If you have seen me you have seen the Father" meaning in him, he is the literal offspring of the Father and his image is that of the Father. Sons often to resemble their fathers.

As I stated about Blacks and the Priesthood, when something is unknown, that doesn't stop people from having opinions wrong or right. When the Lord gave to the Prophet, Spencer W. Kimball, the "Thus sayeth the Lord" that all men may have the priesthood conferred upon them, the response was of those who speculated a lot of opinions and theories is that they concluded they were all wrong. If there was a reason, it was not revealed to the world. So, you still have people guessing the reason.

Today, we find no speculation from the leaders. Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little, the Church and it's people have grown to learn how to relate to each other and to the world. It's contentious people like yourself that keep Satan happy and busy.

Of course all men AND women are priests. Scripture says so in 1 Peter. I'm contentious with all religious cults that twist Scripture and lead people to a false Jesus.

 

[Cougarbear]

Of course all men AND women are priests. Scripture says so in 1 Peter. I'm contentious with all religious cults that twist Scripture and lead people to a false Jesus.

Nothing about women being priests. You are delusional and without understanding.