Trump would be correct to assert a national emergency in order to build the wall

[candycorn]

Really? Interesting

So the fact of the matter is that the blob let this emergency fester for 2 years and one month before he did anything; right?

And he still has not done anything.

A fair point, but not a reason to not BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

As soon as Mexico sends the money.

No excuses, BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

No excuses. We just don't want it for at least a dozen common sense reasons, For one thing, it has been reported that Mexicans ha discovered the ladder.

The time for talk was done decades ago. BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

As soon as Mexico sends the check junior.

 

[Vandalshandle]

As soon as Mexico sends the money.

Maybe we could use the money Obama saved by closing GITMO. Oh wait, he never did that did he. Nevermind.

saw

Saw, only congress can close Gitmo.

And only Congress can fund the wall.

Exactly.

Well not exactly. Trump can declare a national emergency to fund border barriers and he may have to do just that.

That's fine. The democrats will then get an injunction, take him to court, and win. That works, too.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Maybe we could use the money Obama saved by closing GITMO. Oh wait, he never did that did he. Nevermind.

saw

Saw, only congress can close Gitmo.

And only Congress can fund the wall.

Exactly.

Well not exactly. Trump can declare a national emergency to fund border barriers and he may have to do just that.

Earlier you said

"He's president not dictator and you do what you can when you can politically in a democratic republic.”

So…which is it; he couldn’t declare an emergency because you said he’s President and now you’re saying he can declare a national emergency?

Never said he couldn't declare a national emergency and he probably will have to do just that which is constitutional not dictatorial.

 

[candycorn]

Really...So this became a national emergency under Trump?

Trump recognized what others ignored so in that sense yes it did.

Really? Interesting

So the fact of the matter is that the blob let this emergency fester for 2 years and one month before he did anything; right?

And he still has not done anything.

A fair point, but not a reason to not BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

As soon as Mexico sends the money.

Maybe we could use the money Obama saved by closing GITMO. Oh wait, he never did that did he. Nevermind.

Perhaps he should have declared the GITMO crisis a national emergency!!! It would have been ridiculous but it would have been effective.

Point being that “national emergencies” should be actual emergencies; not a way to fulfill campaign promises.

 

[candycorn]

saw

Saw, only congress can close Gitmo.

And only Congress can fund the wall.

Exactly.

Well not exactly. Trump can declare a national emergency to fund border barriers and he may have to do just that.

Earlier you said

"He's president not dictator and you do what you can when you can politically in a democratic republic.”

So…which is it; he couldn’t declare an emergency because you said he’s President and now you’re saying he can declare a national emergency?

Never said he couldn't declare a national emergency and he probably will have to do just that which is constitutional not dictatorial.

Earlier you said he couldn’t do it because he’s not a dictator.
Now you’re saying he can do it because it would be constitutional.

If it were an actual emergency, shouldn’t he have campaigned on it and did this on 1/20/2017?

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Trump recognized what others ignored so in that sense yes it did.

Really? Interesting

So the fact of the matter is that the blob let this emergency fester for 2 years and one month before he did anything; right?

And he still has not done anything.

He's president not dictator and you do what you can when you can politically in a democratic republic.

Really? Interesting.

So you’re saying he can’t declare an emergency?

He can but it's a last resort and it looks like he may have to.

Which is my question….

If it was an “emergency”, he would have campaigned on it in 2015, 2016 and declared it on 1/20/2017.
Emergencies are things that can’t wait.
He’s waited 2+ years.

Bigger emergency was the economy. First things first. First you fix the leaking roof and then the rotting floor.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Maybe we could use the money Obama saved by closing GITMO. Oh wait, he never did that did he. Nevermind.

saw

Saw, only congress can close Gitmo.

And only Congress can fund the wall.

Exactly.

Well not exactly. Trump can declare a national emergency to fund border barriers and he may have to do just that.

That's fine. The democrats will then get an injunction, take him to court, and win. That works, too.

And then it goes to the Supremes where Trump wins.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Trump recognized what others ignored so in that sense yes it did.

Really? Interesting

So the fact of the matter is that the blob let this emergency fester for 2 years and one month before he did anything; right?

And he still has not done anything.

A fair point, but not a reason to not BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

As soon as Mexico sends the money.

Maybe we could use the money Obama saved by closing GITMO. Oh wait, he never did that did he. Nevermind.

Perhaps he should have declared the GITMO crisis a national emergency!!! It would have been ridiculous but it would have been effective.

Point being that “national emergencies” should be actual emergencies; not a way to fulfill campaign promises.

I realize democrats don't think it's an emergency but Trump does. Elections have consequences.

 

[K9Buck]

And then it goes to the Supremes where Trump wins.

With Chief Justice Roberts, I'm not so sure. It seems that much of our nation's leadership, from the entire Democratic Party to much of the Republican Party, is unwilling to protect the American people.

 

[Vandalshandle]

saw

Saw, only congress can close Gitmo.

And only Congress can fund the wall.

Exactly.

Well not exactly. Trump can declare a national emergency to fund border barriers and he may have to do just that.

That's fine. The democrats will then get an injunction, take him to court, and win. That works, too.

And then it goes to the Supremes where Trump wins.

Maybe Trump can argue before the Supreme Court that the walls saved El Paso. He can always hope that the democrats don't mention this:

"El Paso had a murder rate of less than half the national average in 2005, a year before the most recent expansion of its border fence. That's despite being just across the border from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, a city plagued by drug violence. The FBI's Uniform Crime Report shows that El Paso's annual number of reported violent crimes dropped from nearly 5,000 in 1995 to around 2,700 in 2016. But that corresponded with similar declines in violent crime nationwide and included periods when the city's crime rates increased year over year, despite new fencing and walls.


AP 2/11/19

 

[Faun]

Then why didn’t trump declare an emergency 2 years ago? Was he derelict of duty?

The first emergency was the economy. Now that is up and running and he can focus on the next emergency. Would have been nice if he could do everything at once but unfortunately in DC that's not realistic.

The economy was in good shape when Trump became president. So that’s not a legit excuse. Not to mention, it’s not like Trump could only focus on one or the other. He could have worked on both. And if this was truly an emergency, he should have formally declared it as such 2 years ago.

Derelict of duty?

Economy was stagnant and was heading south as Obama economic policy took hold. Trump had to focus on that first and now he has the opportunity to get illegal immigration under control. He's a businessman and knows how to prioritize for optimum results.

Actually, unemployment was the lowest under Obama’s terms. And while trump likes to boast about record minority unemployment lows, the reality is those figures weren’t much higher than record lows when trump became president. GDP averaged 2.1% per year following Bush’s Great Recession, which is about the same for Trump’s first and only year on the books.

Obama was the first president since WW2 that never achieved an annual GDP of 3% and he had two terms to do so.That's his economic legacy.

Nope, Trump has also not achieved an annual GDP of 3% or more. And Bush had only two of his eight years breach 3% -- and that was due to the housing bubble. Thanks for attributing that to him.

 

[Faun]

Really...So this became a national emergency under Trump?

Trump recognized what others ignored so in that sense yes it did.

Really? Interesting

So the fact of the matter is that the blob let this emergency fester for 2 years and one month before he did anything; right?

And he still has not done anything.

A fair point, but not a reason to not BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

As soon as Mexico sends the money.

No excuses, BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

Here ya go ... pony up!

Click here to support We The People Will Build the Wall organized by Brian Kolfage

 

[Faun]

Really? Interesting

So the fact of the matter is that the blob let this emergency fester for 2 years and one month before he did anything; right?

And he still has not done anything.

He's president not dictator and you do what you can when you can politically in a democratic republic.

Really? Interesting.

So you’re saying he can’t declare an emergency?

He can but it's a last resort and it looks like he may have to.

Which is my question….

If it was an “emergency”, he would have campaigned on it in 2015, 2016 and declared it on 1/20/2017.
Emergencies are things that can’t wait.
He’s waited 2+ years.

Bigger emergency was the economy. First things first. First you fix the leaking roof and then the rotting floor.

Again, the economy was fine. Besides, what law did Trump pass for the economy? And why couldn't Trump tackle a "national emergency" at the same time as keeping the economy trending upwards?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Trump recognized what others ignored so in that sense yes it did.

Really? Interesting

So the fact of the matter is that the blob let this emergency fester for 2 years and one month before he did anything; right?

And he still has not done anything.

A fair point, but not a reason to not BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

As soon as Mexico sends the money.

No excuses, BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

Here ya go ... pony up!

Click here to support We The People Will Build the Wall organized by Brian Kolfage

I tried to contribute 100 pesos, but they replied, "Pesos? Pesos? We don't need no stinkin' Pesos!"

 

[Fugazi]

If it's a national emergency, declare a national emergency. What does all this other bullshit have to do with it.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Smuggling drugs, weapons trafficking, prostitution of minors are all crimes of their own merit
Crossing a border to save your family is the equivalent of trespassing

I guess no one told any of these folks (as much as you Dimocrats do) how dangerous America is.
Aren't you (and your fellow anti-Americans) the ones perpetually going on about all the gun violence and
all the fascists racist white people?

How is crossing a border into such a terrible and dangerous place relative to saving their family?
You encourage people to flock here saying it's for their "safety", simultaneously claiming America is one of the most dangerous places on earth due to gun ownership.

Which is bubba? Can't be both.

HINT: IT ISN'T and it just displays your hypocrisy and propensity to serve Bullshit relentlessly.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Nope, Trump has also not achieved an annual GDP of 3% or more. And Bush had only two of his eight years breach 3% -- and that was due to the housing bubble. Thanks for attributing that to him.

Sorry Faux,
With all due respect.....(hmmmm)
But almost every post you make gives me a laugh......I think you really believe the crap you post

 

[Faun]

Nope, Trump has also not achieved an annual GDP of 3% or more. And Bush had only two of his eight years breach 3% -- and that was due to the housing bubble. Thanks for attributing that to him.

Sorry Faux,
With all due respect.....(hmmmm)
But almost every post you make gives me a laugh......I think you really believe the crap you post

And yet, you can't actually show where I lied about anything.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

And then it goes to the Supremes where Trump wins.

With Chief Justice Roberts, I'm not so sure. It seems that much of our nation's leadership, from the entire Democratic Party to much of the Republican Party, is unwilling to protect the American people.

It's pretty much a slam dunk but at this point may be irrelevant. Looks like dems are caving on this.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

The first emergency was the economy. Now that is up and running and he can focus on the next emergency. Would have been nice if he could do everything at once but unfortunately in DC that's not realistic.

The economy was in good shape when Trump became president. So that’s not a legit excuse. Not to mention, it’s not like Trump could only focus on one or the other. He could have worked on both. And if this was truly an emergency, he should have formally declared it as such 2 years ago.

Derelict of duty?

Economy was stagnant and was heading south as Obama economic policy took hold. Trump had to focus on that first and now he has the opportunity to get illegal immigration under control. He's a businessman and knows how to prioritize for optimum results.

Actually, unemployment was the lowest under Obama’s terms. And while trump likes to boast about record minority unemployment lows, the reality is those figures weren’t much higher than record lows when trump became president. GDP averaged 2.1% per year following Bush’s Great Recession, which is about the same for Trump’s first and only year on the books.

Obama was the first president since WW2 that never achieved an annual GDP of 3% and he had two terms to do so.That's his economic legacy.

Nope, Trump has also not achieved an annual GDP of 3% or more. And Bush had only two of his eight years breach 3% -- and that was due to the housing bubble. Thanks for attributing that to him.

Obama had two terms and is the first post WW2 president to never achieve 3% annual GDP in a full term in office. Trump had two years left and was on the road to better than 3% GDP until the feds got spooked at how fast the economy was growing and started raising interest rates.
Obama's economic legacy is first president that failed to achieve 3% annual gdp.