Time to put up or shut up.

[eots]

Hard evidence comes from a real investigation with subpoena powers and full discloser

 

[PhysicsExist]

Hard evidence comes from a real investigation with subpoena powers and full discloser

 

[Patriot911]

Once again:The building freefell through 8 floors of conrete/steel/reinforced building at the gravitational ~32 feet per second, through the path of greatest RESISTANCE (through the BUILDING itself) which is impossible according to Newtonian Physics. The only way for it to freefall is for there to be NO resistance in that path, which means floors were removed/not there

Once again, the lower internal floors had already collapsed. Read the NIST report. All you're doing is exposing your ignorance. No big surprise there!

 

[DiveCon]

Hard evidence comes from a real investigation with subpoena powers and full discloser

wrong, hard evidence doesnt require ANY of that

 

[PhysicsExist]

Hard evidence comes from a real investigation with subpoena powers and full discloser

wrong, hard evidence doesnt require ANY of that

Well the Video evidence, expert testimony, newtonian physics, forensic evidence, witness testimony and countless corroborating declassified documents/projects/etc seem NOT to be enough for people, so a new investigation with real subpoena powers and full disclosure would be required to convince people, but also to be able to use SUCH evidence as proof on the record.

 

[Patriot911]

Hard evidence comes from a real investigation with subpoena powers and full discloser

wrong, hard evidence doesnt require ANY of that

Well the Video evidence, expert testimony, newtonian physics, forensic evidence, witness testimony and countless corroborating declassified documents/projects/etc seem NOT to be enough for people, so a new investigation with real subpoena powers and full disclosure would be required to convince people, but also to be able to use SUCH evidence as proof on the record.

Oh you mean

The video evidence truthtards pretend prove something

The "expert" testimonies of people who signed a petition, yet didn't do any actual expert work

The newtonian physics you couldn't understand even if you tried as proven by your numerous bullshit claims

The "forensic evidence" not one truthtard can post a single example of

The witness testimony that has to pass through truthtard filters before the witness says what a truthtard wants to hear. And wasn't it you, PE, that claimed the fire fighters' written testimony about what happened on 9/11 was worthless because they didn't say what you wanted to hear?

And what "corroborating declassified documents" would you be talking about? Care to post an example?

I didn't think so. Truthtards talk a good game, but talk is cheap and when it is all lies like truthtards do, talk is downright worthless.

 

[DiveCon]

Hard evidence comes from a real investigation with subpoena powers and full discloser

wrong, hard evidence doesnt require ANY of that

Well the Video evidence, expert testimony, newtonian physics, forensic evidence, witness testimony and countless corroborating declassified documents/projects/etc seem NOT to be enough for people, so a new investigation with real subpoena powers and full disclosure would be required to convince people, but also to be able to use SUCH evidence as proof on the record.

there will be no "new investigation"
and the reason why is because you guys wouldn't accept the results of it anyway
since it would conclude basically what is already known and not what troofer morons want

 

[DiveCon]

wrong, hard evidence doesnt require ANY of that

Well the Video evidence, expert testimony, newtonian physics, forensic evidence, witness testimony and countless corroborating declassified documents/projects/etc seem NOT to be enough for people, so a new investigation with real subpoena powers and full disclosure would be required to convince people, but also to be able to use SUCH evidence as proof on the record.

Oh you mean

The video evidence truthtards pretend prove something

The "expert" testimonies of people who signed a petition, yet didn't do any actual expert work

The newtonian physics you couldn't understand even if you tried as proven by your numerous bullshit claims

The "forensic evidence" not one truthtard can post a single example of

The witness testimony that has to pass through truthtard filters before the witness says what a truthtard wants to hear. And wasn't it you, PE, that claimed the fire fighters' written testimony about what happened on 9/11 was worthless because they didn't say what you wanted to hear?

And what "corroborating declassified documents" would you be talking about? Care to post an example?

I didn't think so. Truthtards talk a good game, but talk is cheap and when it is all lies like truthtards do, talk is downright worthless.

correction, "trooftards"
they dont want the truth, they want their paranoid delusions

 

[eots]

Hard evidence comes from a real investigation with subpoena powers and full discloser

wrong, hard evidence doesnt require ANY of that

ya but you are really stupid and dont really have a clue how investigative procedures work.....sooo

 

[Patriot911]

In order to have a new investigation, you must first provide proof that the existing investigation is fundamentally flawed. To do that, you need evidence.

Twooftard opinion is not evidence.

Lies are not evidence.

Half-truths are not evidence.

So what do you have that warrants a new investigation?

 

[DiveCon]

Hard evidence comes from a real investigation with subpoena powers and full discloser

wrong, hard evidence doesnt require ANY of that

ya but you are really stupid and dont really have a clue how investigative procedures work.....sooo

i'm not half as stupid as you are
and i most certainly DO understand how they are done
and you are a fucking idiot by proof of your posts

 

[eots]

the fact the nist report fails to prove its theory is reason for a new investigation

 

[SFC Ollie]

But they have evidence.....

See the picture below? How many times have they tried to tell us that these cut beams is part of the Demolition instead of the clean up?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

If there was a new 9/11 investigation done, who should perform it? Is there a group or agency impartial enough that their results would be accepted by people on both sides of the argument?

 

[Patriot911]

the fact the nist report fails to prove its theory is reason for a new investigation

The opinion of a lying piece of shit truthtard is NOT a reason for a new investigation. And that is all your post is. The NIST reports have been verified by universities and engineering agencies around the world. It has to be. The NIST reports aren't to prove what happened to a bunch of stupid fucks like you. The NIST reports help guide future engineering. Thus they are gone over with a fine toothed comb. No reputable agency or university has found anything materially wrong with the reports or their conclusions.

 

[eots]

the fact the nist report fails to prove its theory is reason for a new investigation

The opinion of a lying piece of shit truthtard is NOT a reason for a new investigation. And that is all your post is. The NIST reports have been verified by universities and engineering agencies around the world. It has to be. The NIST reports aren't to prove what happened to a bunch of stupid fucks like you. The NIST reports help guide future engineering. Thus they are gone over with a fine toothed comb. No reputable agency or university has found anything materially wrong with the reports or their conclusions.

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report


Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070820_former_chief_of_nist.htm

 

[saiweril]

a bunch of stupid fucks like you.

And you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...1-gets-pwned-over-his-10-dumpsters-claim.html

 

[Patriot911]

the fact the nist report fails to prove its theory is reason for a new investigation

The opinion of a lying piece of shit truthtard is NOT a reason for a new investigation. And that is all your post is. The NIST reports have been verified by universities and engineering agencies around the world. It has to be. The NIST reports aren't to prove what happened to a bunch of stupid fucks like you. The NIST reports help guide future engineering. Thus they are gone over with a fine toothed comb. No reputable agency or university has found anything materially wrong with the reports or their conclusions.

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report


Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

OpEdNews - Article: Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

Have you actually READ Qintiere's paper? He disagrees completely with truthtards like you and has criticisms of some of the conclusion the NIST came up with. He doesn't talk about controlled demolition. He doesn't talk about explosives. He talks about changes he would make to the report.

What HE thinks caused the collapse is:

An alternative hypothesis with the insulated trusses at the root cause
appears to have more support. Heat transfer analyses, a scale model, and
the UL furnace tests all indicate that the steel trusses can attain temperatures
corresponding to failure based on structural analyses. This hypothesis puts
the blame on the insufficiency of the truss insulation. Something NIST says
was not an issue

The irony is that the NIST final conclusion DID specify the trusses as the primary failure in the towers, not the core columns as Quintiere initially claims.

Read it for yourself. Don't just take conspiratard sites' word for what it says. >>>>>CLICK HERE <<<<<<

Of course, one reason why Quintiere might not have been fully aware of the contents of the NIST report is because he presented his paper a month after the NIST report came out in its final form.

Also of note is that Quintiere is NOT a member of any conspiratard sites.

 

[Patriot911]

a bunch of stupid fucks like you.

And you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...1-gets-pwned-over-his-10-dumpsters-claim.html

I'm not a stupid fuck like you. Not even close! I realized I misread the article and admitted to such. I don't think I've ever seen you admit a mistake no matter HOW many times it is pointed out. An intelligent person can realize when a mistake is made, correct it, and move on. A stupid fuck just keeps repeating what the conspiratard sites say regardless of the evidence you are wrong.

 

[eots]

he also said...


Dr. Quintiere, one of the world&#8217;s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. &#8220;I hope to convince you to perhaps become 'Conspiracy Theorists', but in a proper way,&#8221; he said


. NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. Moreover, it is common in fire investigation to compute a time-line and compare it to known events. NIST has not done that

Testing by NIST has been inconclusive. Although they have done fire tests of the scale of several work stations, a replicate test of at least & [sic] of a WTC floor would have been of considerable value. Why was this not done ?

Spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?

In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than develop fact finding.

Dr. Quintiere said he originally &#8220;had high hopes&#8221; that NIST would do a good job with the investigation. &#8220;They&#8217;re the central government lab for fire. There are good people there and they can do a good job. But what I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it&#8217;s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.&#8221;

OpEdNews - Article: Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation