Time to crack down on them rich people

[Brutus]

The wealthy have been enjoying the lowest taxes for them in decades. Its time to sacrifice and shut up. Their Country needs them .

I agree it needs them to rescue the economy from liberalism with private development. Steal their money at the point of a liberal gun they cant do that. Here's an example that sometimes a liberal can follow. Tax venture capital and there are fewer ventures like Google and Intel

Also, BUsh's 2003 supply side tax cuts produced biggest revenue gains in history

top 1% pay 38% of all federal taxes, more than any other country!!

Its called sacrifice. Get a set of rocks and man-up. This ride isnt for wimps. Every time you bitch about it, you spit in the face of every man and woman that died for their Country.

stealing from the rich through the government is treasonous

it won't help anyway since the government wastes money while the rich found Google. Simple enough for you??

 

[The_GiantNoodle]

I agree it needs them to rescue the economy from liberalism with private development. Steal their money at the point of a liberal gun they cant do that. Here's an example that sometimes a liberal can follow. Tax venture capital and there are fewer ventures like Google and Intel

Also, BUsh's 2003 supply side tax cuts produced biggest revenue gains in history

top 1% pay 38% of all federal taxes, more than any other country!!

Its called sacrifice. Get a set of rocks and man-up. This ride isnt for wimps. Every time you bitch about it, you spit in the face of every man and woman that died for their Country.

stealing from the rich through the government is treasonous

it won't help anyway since the government wastes money while the rich found Google. Simple enough for you??

Cry me a river. *handing over tiny violin*
Sacrifice. Be a man. Be honerable like the 4792 military that have died for this Country. iCasualties | Operation Iraqi Freedom | Iraq
You talk about stealing. What about the BEST this Country has that shed their blood AND their LIVES!!! Sacrifice! Quit your Festival of Bitching. Im all for me paying more taxes because I love this Country. Tighten the belt and lets pay up. Its the honerable and right thing to do now that our Country is in BIG trouble.

 

[Brutus]

Be a man.

1) it has nothing to do with being a man or woman or being honorable, goofy

2) theft is immoral, not manly!!!

3) it won't help economy!! Is that over your head, really?

 

[The_GiantNoodle]

Be a man.

1) it has nothing to do with being a man or woman or being honorable, goofy

2) theft is immoral, not manly!!!

3) it won't help economy!! Is that over your head, really?

Sacrifice. Although I dont like it, this country needs heros. Cry like a bitch or get a pair. Up to you Brutus. Its for a good cause. You know.... saving our Country n' stuff.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

[- if you force a bank to hand over their money, it's robbery. But if the GOVERNMENT does it, it's perfectly OK, because then it's LEGAL.

yes the liberal has perverted democracy which was never ever intended as a way for the majority to steal from the minority

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-- Benjamin Franklin

The wealthy have been enjoying the lowest taxes for them in decades. Its time to sacrifice and shut up. Their Country needs them and all they can do is act like a bunch of children and bitch. Im almost for kicking their ass out along with the Illegals and their Anchor Babies.

The top rate was 28% in 1988.

 

[rightwinger]

Let's try 10 years of deep budget cuts first, then maybe we'll think about raising taxes. Maybe.

How about we return to 2000 tax rates and cut spending until we have paid off our debt. Then we can cut taxes

yes, or we could simply cap spending until inflation, economic growth, population growth, and end to wars eliminated debt and deficit. We'd have to squeek by on $4 trillion a year. It would be slow and painful with boomers retiring but the whole world would know we were serious and on the right track once again. THen get rid of health care ACA and we'd boom again.

Cut spending AND raise taxes and you pay off our debt twice as fast

Why are you such a slacker?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Look man, people..... GOOD people have died for this Country! Right now this Country is in a horrible state finacially. Right now this country needs heros. And those heros are going to have to sacrifice. Thats what a family and even a Country do to survive. And those heros are going to be the wealthy of this Nation. If they dont sacrifice and if we dont get our spending under control this Nation is dead. Just like the good men and women that fought and died for this Country. So I dont want to hear people bitching about paying more taxes. They arent giving up their lives. And it might take 10 years of a higher tax rate and deep budget cuts, but it MUST be done. Generally Im a conservative but the way Boehner and the Whip are acting Ill be voting Democrat next time around. The GOP are making fools of themselves right now and it disgusts me.

Let's try 10 years of deep budget cuts first, then maybe we'll think about raising taxes. Maybe.

How about we return to 2000 tax rates and cut spending until we have paid off our debt. Then we can cut taxes

If we cut spending to 2000 levels, we'd have a surplus.

 

[Patrick2]

[irony]

Yaaaa yaaaaa yaaaaaaa - they pay nearly all the taxes, but so what? Just because they go to school longer, work harder, and are smarter, who says they should have more money than the average joe? And what do they ever do for us regular folks - besides give us jobs, provide capital for our society, and support our charities? The government should GET some of their money, and give it to us. Why? Well, because we exist. Here's the way I look at it - if you force a bank to hand over their money, it's robbery. But if the GOVERNMENT does it, it's perfectly OK, because then it's LEGAL. Funny, lots of things are like that - Madoff is going to jail for a zillion years because of running a ponzi scheme, but the government has been running a vastly bigger one for decades - social security - and just like Madoff's scheme, the last ones to put anything in are the ones to get ripped off. Isn't it amazing how all kinds of monstrous shit becomes "OK" when the government does it? It's a friggin miracle! So let's help ourselves to some of that LEGALLY gotten money from rich folks. Hell, it's like manna from heaven!!

[/irony]

I think you have what is refered too as stockholm sydrome.

I think you have what is refered to as paranoia.

 

[Patrick2]

Its time to juice up the DEMAND side of the equasion, folks.

Supply side policies are not at this time what this economy needs.

Well, if obama can just wake up one day and NOT launch another leftwing crackpot scheme to scare employers from hiring anyone, maybe people will hired and have money to spend.

 

[Patrick2]

Exactly

If people can't afford to buy...there is nothing to sell

The problem is that our system does not really have a good way to do that.

Redistribution of wealth by fiat violates the basic principles of the economic system we have.

To some extent, back when we had unions, the balance of power between capital formation and consumption was better.

But as we declared war on the working class's only real way of demanding their fair share of the wealth that was produced, the system has steadily been creating more capital formation than warranted.

Hence the BUBBLES in the investment world which must happen occassionally to recify the situation when there is much investment CAPITAL is chasing too few profits.

Oh and chnaging the bankruptsy laws?

ALSO a very stupid idea.

Bankruptsy laws were the emergency value that helped to mitigate the pernicious effects that compounding interest had on the working class.

the United States was had once a very fine functional balance between capital and labor. Both the working classes and the investment classes were doing splendidly.

But these foolish policies (advanced on behalf of capital) have screwed up that fine balance.

This economy is the end game of those stupid policies.


Everything the GOP wants right now is WRONG.

Not that the DEMS have a better plan far as I can tell, but the GOP's plan will actually exascerbate the problem.

The way to redistribute wealth to the working class is not to take money and say..."Here you go, enjoy"

You redistribute wealth the same way you took it away from them. Working people do not want a handout from government. They want to be able to buy a home, send their kids to college, get medical care if they are sick, have time to spend with their families.
The same thing our fathers and grandfathers wanted from life
In the past thirty years, that has slowly been taken away from them. Home ownership is increasingly more difficult, health care can bankrupt the family, college education involves mortgaging your own and your childrens future.
Salaries have not kept up with the costs of lifes major expenditures. It is time to start giving tax breaks and subsidies for health, homes, education. Business benefits from an educated workforce, a healthy workfofce. Time for government to start subsidizing the working class rather than just the wealthiest Americans

Marxist circle jerks! Bizarrrrrrrrre!

 

[Care4all]

A California based company recently moved it's entire manufacturing and support operation offshore. They took a tax write off for the cost of shutting down the US plant and laying off over a hundred workers. Then they took another tax write off for establishing a new plant and hiring workers overseas. They took a tax write off for the cost of the design and development of new equipment to be manufactured overseas. The equipment is being sold to a shell company in a tax haven country, so no taxes at all are being paid on the sale.

I commend those that are smart enough to profit from these tax loopholes and condemn our congress for allowing them to exist. I'm not opposed to rewarding American businesses for investing in America but it's absolutely criminal for our congress to reward businesses for shipping jobs and manufacturing overseas.

I generally agree, but the WINNING attitude is to ask why it happens - is it because the US doesn't come with innovative new products and services that only (for a while) our highly-educated work force can produce? Hmmmm - why's that? Oh yeah - the failed government schools.

the schools in viet nam and china and india are better????????????????????

 

[ShackledNation]

The greater the trade deficit, the greater the capital account surplus, meaning a greater number of investments from abroad.

not really true. There is huge and legitimate concern about our trade deficit because it is caused by:

1) expensive union made American junk that the world won't buy

2) a budget deficit due to a) a failing economy's inability to produce tax revenue thus creating budget deficits, and b) irresponsible liberals who borrow when the can't tax thus adding to the deficit.

Actually yes, it is exactly true. Nothing you said proves otherwise. You are explaining causes of the trade deficit, and why foreign countries choose to invest in the US rather than buy US exports. But because of the Balance of Payments, the fact of the matter is that foreign countries invest more in the US than we invest in them. Our capital account has a surplus, and the current account has a deficit (trade deficit). Foreign companies outsource millions of job to the states, invest in our companies, and even fund our government (more than we do in other countries).

US dollars are only useful in countries that exchange goods and services with them. If we spend dollars on Japanese products, the Japanese exporters pay their workers in yen and have to get rid of their dollars. They exchange the dollars for yen, and then somebody uses those dollars to invest in the US or buy US goods. If they invest in the US, there will be a trade deficit and a capital account surplus. If they buy and equal amount of US goods, then both accounts will be balanced.

Trade deficits are accompanied by capital account surpluses. That is an economic law.

 

[The_GiantNoodle]

Its time to juice up the DEMAND side of the equasion, folks.

Supply side policies are not at this time what this economy needs.

Well, if obama can just wake up one day and NOT launch another leftwing crackpot scheme to scare employers from hiring anyone, maybe people will hired and have money to spend.

You are what is WRONG with America. Youre cry-baby bitch-fests are festered with a total lack of common sense. Your crazy-ass opinion belongs in the Conspiracy area. You are 100% certified wackk-O.

 

[Patrick2]

Its time to juice up the DEMAND side of the equasion, folks.

Supply side policies are not at this time what this economy needs.

Well, if obama can just wake up one day and NOT launch another leftwing crackpot scheme to scare employers from hiring anyone, maybe people will hired and have money to spend.

You are what is WRONG with America. Youre cry-baby bitch-fests are festered with a total lack of common sense. Your crazy-ass opinion belongs in the Conspiracy area. You are 100% certified wackk-O.

Look - the next time you feel the urge for mental masturbation --- do it in PRIVATE, OK?

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh those poor poor billionaires.

They are the whipping boys of the USA.

See their suffering?

They're crying all the way to the bank.

And those 200,000 a year folks - we'll loot them too! Why? cuz we need money, and stealing from rich people isn't really stealing, because, ah, er, uh - they're rich! Also, all moral laws are suspended when people have more than X number of dollars. Know what I mean?

Well now that you have proven that you are a dumb fuck, reinstate the tax rates under Clinton, and we are a quarter of the way to solving the debt problem. Not just the tax rate on those making over 250 K, but the whole thing. Then add an additional 5% on those making over 1 million.

 

[Old Rocks]

The problem is that our system does not really have a good way to do that.

Redistribution of wealth by fiat violates the basic principles of the economic system we have.

To some extent, back when we had unions, the balance of power between capital formation and consumption was better.

But as we declared war on the working class's only real way of demanding their fair share of the wealth that was produced, the system has steadily been creating more capital formation than warranted.

Hence the BUBBLES in the investment world which must happen occassionally to recify the situation when there is much investment CAPITAL is chasing too few profits.

Oh and chnaging the bankruptsy laws?

ALSO a very stupid idea.

Bankruptsy laws were the emergency value that helped to mitigate the pernicious effects that compounding interest had on the working class.

the United States was had once a very fine functional balance between capital and labor. Both the working classes and the investment classes were doing splendidly.

But these foolish policies (advanced on behalf of capital) have screwed up that fine balance.

This economy is the end game of those stupid policies.


Everything the GOP wants right now is WRONG.

Not that the DEMS have a better plan far as I can tell, but the GOP's plan will actually exascerbate the problem.

The way to redistribute wealth to the working class is not to take money and say..."Here you go, enjoy"

You redistribute wealth the same way you took it away from them. Working people do not want a handout from government. They want to be able to buy a home, send their kids to college, get medical care if they are sick, have time to spend with their families.
The same thing our fathers and grandfathers wanted from life
In the past thirty years, that has slowly been taken away from them. Home ownership is increasingly more difficult, health care can bankrupt the family, college education involves mortgaging your own and your childrens future.
Salaries have not kept up with the costs of lifes major expenditures. It is time to start giving tax breaks and subsidies for health, homes, education. Business benefits from an educated workforce, a healthy workfofce. Time for government to start subsidizing the working class rather than just the wealthiest Americans

Marxist circle jerks! Bizarrrrrrrrre!

Yep, ol' Pat believes that education is Marxist. Bet the dumb ass doesn't even know who Adam Smith is, or what he stated concerning awarding the laboring class.

 

[expat_panama]

...There is huge and legitimate concern about our trade deficit...

No there isn't.

OK, there is noisy concern but it's neither huge nor legitimate, because trade deficits increase with higher employment and they shrink with soaring joblessness. Most people know the noise is bogus compared to a very serious need for jobs. Trade deficits may have made sense centuries ago with Adam Smith's thinking that selling domestic farms to buy foreign crops was dangerous, but the third millennium's not like that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh those poor poor billionaires.

They are the whipping boys of the USA.

See their suffering?

They're crying all the way to the bank.

And those 200,000 a year folks - we'll loot them too! Why? cuz we need money, and stealing from rich people isn't really stealing, because, ah, er, uh - they're rich! Also, all moral laws are suspended when people have more than X number of dollars. Know what I mean?

Well now that you have proven that you are a dumb fuck, reinstate the tax rates under Clinton, and we are a quarter of the way to solving the debt problem. Not just the tax rate on those making over 250 K, but the whole thing. Then add an additional 5% on those making over 1 million.

Restoring the Clinton rates is going to raise $250 billion a year?
Show your work.