Thomas Sowell - Coming Race War and "White Girl Bleed A Lot"

[georgephillip]

As far as I can tell, classism is a much bigger problem in America than racism is.

Agreed. Racism is a weapon in the class war.

 

[BlackSand]

Racism would not be a factor in Africa, and it's the biggest factor in the US.

What about the ...

Burundi Genocide
Kenyan Crisis
Ivory Coast Ethnic Cleansing
Ethiopian Caste Structure
Mali Slave Market
South Afirican
Namibia Genocide
Nigerian Diffa Arabs
Rwanda Genocide
Botswana Bushmen
Madagascar Conflict
Congo's Pygmy Slavery
Sudanese Civil War Slavery

The list goes on without end regarding Racism and Slavery in Africa ... But none as telling as the Americo-Liberians.

Americo-Liberians trace their ancestry back to free-born Africans who were enslaved and sent to America ... And who returned to Africa after being freed when slavery was abolished.

That's right ... They established the country of Liberia. The Americo-Liberians also assumed they were both culturally and ethnically superior. They then went about enslaving all the indigenous peoples in the country.

They thought they were better just because they had been American Slaves.

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[Vigilante]

 

[BlackSand]

As far as I can tell, classism is a much bigger problem in America than racism is.

Agreed. Racism is a weapon in the class war.

That would only be true if race was a determining factor in class ... Which isn't the case in America.

The first female self-made millionaire in America was an African-American (CJ Walker). Racism is a tool in the Class War ... Just invalid at best.

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[georgephillip]

Other than picking cotton, slaves had no significant impact on capitalism.

Do you understand how cotton played the same role in the 18th and 19th centuries that oil plays today? You might also consider the role slaves played in the Electoral College and its usefulness to cotton's control of the White House for the first hundred years of this Republic.

 

[BlackSand]

Do you understand how cotton played the same role in the 18th and 19th centuries that oil plays today? You might also consider the role slaves played in the Electoral College and its usefulness to cotton's control of the White House for the first hundred years of this Republic.

Cotton pickers were not the people who forbid the African-American Representative to the House and Senator first elected to serve in the US Congress the ability to take their seat (PBS Pinchback from none other than Louisiana).

It was the folks in Washington that freed the slaves then kept them out of Congress when elected ... Not some plantation owner in the Deep South.

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[Lonestar_logic]

Other than picking cotton, slaves had no significant impact on capitalism.

Do you understand how cotton played the same role in the 18th and 19th centuries that oil plays today? You might also consider the role slaves played in the Electoral College and its usefulness to cotton's control of the White House for the first hundred years of this Republic.

You don't comprehend very well.

 

[georgephillip]

That would only be true if race was a determining factor in class ... Which isn't the case in America.

"There are vast differences in wealth across racial groups in the United States. The wealth gap between white and black families nearly tripled from $85,000 in 1984 to $236,500 in 2009."
Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

It was the folks in Washington that freed the slaves then kept them out of Congress when elected ... Not some plantation owner in the Deep South.

What does that have to do with the role slavery played in establishing capitalism as the dominant economic system in the US?

 

[Michelle420]

georgephillip what is your point?

Centuries of US slavery followed by another hundred years of Jim Crow have left scars unaffected by fifty years of "integration." If it's true that US capitalism is no longer capable of providing good paying jobs for all who seek them, then the mass incarceration and demonization of blacks might lead to Sowell's race war.

I understand how slavery indirectly affects some black Americans today, but many black Americans have no direct link to slavery except the knowledge that Africans were slaves. I understand most all Americans today have never experienced a Jim crow Law. I also understand poverty and hopelessness. What I don't fully understand your interpretation of 'demonization' of blacks.

There is a lot of generational healing that has never occurred because of the caste system we have here that keeps us divided in race and gender as a sort of diversion to the class issue.

 

[BlackSand]

That would only be true if race was a determining factor in class ... Which isn't the case in America.

"There are vast differences in wealth across racial groups in the United States. The wealth gap between white and black families nearly tripled from $85,000 in 1984 to $236,500 in 2009."
Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The are differences across many factors ... And subdivisions that can be falsely classified as being race driven.

But the fact remains that their are plenty successful and wealthy members of any race in America ... And race is not a determining factor in class or there wouldn't be.

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[georgephillip]

You don't comprehend very well.

One of us doesn't comprehend very well.
Why don't you explain what you meant by "(o)ther than picking cotton, slaves had no significant impact on capitalism"?

 

[BlackSand]

It was the folks in Washington that freed the slaves then kept them out of Congress when elected ... Not some plantation owner in the Deep South.

What does that have to do with the role slavery played in establishing capitalism as the dominant economic system in the US?

It has everything to do with how African-Americans were viewed by establishment politicians in Washington. They didn't deny Pinchback his seat in Congress due to capitalism ... They denied him his seat because he was an African-American.

Your premise regarding race is screwed up when you apply facts over your own bigotry.

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[georgephillip]

The are differences across many factors ... And subdivisions that can be falsely classified as being race driven.

Can you name any subdivisions falsely classified as racial that could account for the wealth gap between whites and blacks nearly tripling from 1984 to 2009?
Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[BlackSand]

The are differences across many factors ... And subdivisions that can be falsely classified as being race driven.

Can you name any subdivisions falsely classified as racial that could account for the wealth gap between whites and blacks nearly tripling from 1984 to 2009?
Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yeah ... There are rich African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, Asian-Americans, German-Americans, Native-Americans and any other hyphenated American you want to list.

Race is not a determining factor in wealth nor class.

Failure and the attempt to excuse or blame it on racism may be a determining factor ... I haven't wasted much time chasing the blame game around ... It doesn't promote success.

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[Michelle420]

The are differences across many factors ... And subdivisions that can be falsely classified as being race driven.

Can you name any subdivisions falsely classified as racial that could account for the wealth gap between whites and blacks nearly tripling from 1984 to 2009?
Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Prison Industry in the United States Big Business or a New Form of Slavery Global Research

 

[georgephillip]

Race is not a determining factor in wealth.

Prove it.
"The racial gap in median income has closed slightly over the last 20 years. Nonwhite families earned about half of what white families earned in 1989. This closed to 70 percent in 2007 and slipped back to 65 percent in 2010. But the gap in assets runs much wider. White families claim about six times the net worth of non-white families, a gap that has changed little over the past generation."
Racial Inequality Inequality.org

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You don't comprehend very well.

One of us doesn't comprehend very well.
Why don't you explain what you meant by "(o)ther than picking cotton, slaves had no significant impact on capitalism"?

It was the folks in Washington that freed the slaves then kept them out of Congress when elected ... Not some plantation owner in the Deep South.

What does that have to do with the role slavery played in establishing capitalism as the dominant economic system in the US?

It has everything to do with how African-Americans were viewed by establishment politicians in Washington. They didn't deny Pinchback his seat in Congress due to capitalism ... They denied him his seat because he was an African-American.

Your premise regarding race is screwed up when you apply facts over your own bigotry.

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Capitalism is not the product of slavery.

 

[BlackSand]

Prove it.
"The racial gap in median income has closed slightly over the last 20 years. Nonwhite families earned about half of what white families earned in 1989. This closed to 70 percent in 2007 and slipped back to 65 percent in 2010. But the gap in assets runs much wider. White families claim about six times the net worth of non-white families, a gap that has changed little over the past generation."
Racial Inequality Inequality.org

Prove What?

People of all races can be wealthy ... There is proof whatever you care to look. Some examples have been given ... And the data you keep posting is falsely relating race to wealth. You don't have to be white nor a male to be wealthy ... Simple fact.

Are you suggesting there are no wealthy minorities?

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[georgephillip]

What I don't fully understand your interpretation of 'demonization' of blacks.

It isn't difficult to find examples:
"Wealth inequality in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Are you suggesting there are no wealthy minorities?

No.
Why would you think that?