This guy is pretty observant.......understands not smearing conservatives....

[2aguy]

His rant after Trump won was also great....

 

[Dogmaphobe]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

 

[2aguy]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

 

[Circe]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

It made me look!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

His rant after Trump won was also great....

He's too smart to stay a leftist. Eventually he'll wake up

 

[2aguy]

His rant after Trump won was also great....

He's too smart to stay a leftist. Eventually he'll wake up

One would hope......and since he doesn't believe in silencing people, I am surprised left wingers haven't beaten the crap out of him yet...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, not the left.

Our modern right is consistently ignorant – or willfully ignorant and dishonest.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, not the left.

Our modern right is consistently ignorant – or willfully ignorant and dishonest.

Don't you ever tire of making the same stupid statement thousands and thousands of times over?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

With the arrogant, ignorant, faulty position that Republicans are what Right wingers should be.

In reality Nazis were Right wingers, and Republicans Liberals.

 

[2aguy]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, not the left.

Our modern right is consistently ignorant – or willfully ignorant and dishonest.

Wrong...fascism is socialism, Italian style. Mussolini was an all out communist till they kicked him out and so he did his own thing....making a socialism to his tastes......you moron.

 

[2aguy]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, not the left.

Our modern right is consistently ignorant – or willfully ignorant and dishonest.

You are wrong...

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

 

[2aguy]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, not the left.

Our modern right is consistently ignorant – or willfully ignorant and dishonest.

Wrong....still wrong....

The Nazis were leftists. This statement is blasphemy to the academic-media complex, since everyone knows the Nazis were degenerate right-wingers fueled by toxic capitalism and racism. But evidence Adolf Hitler’s gang were men of the left, while debatable, is compelling.

The dispute on Nazi origins resurfaced through the confluence of brawling alt-right and antifa fringe movements and recent alternative histories by Dinesh D’Souza and others. The vitriol and lack of candor it produces from supposedly fact-driven academics and media is disturbing, if unsurprising. They stifle dissent on touchy subjects to maintain their narrative and enforce cultural hegemony.


However uncomfortable to opinion shapers, alternative views of the Third Reich exist and were written by the finest minds of their time. Opinions from the period perhaps carry more weight because they are unburdened by the aftermath of the uniquely heinous Nazi crimes.

The left believes the opposite. They distrust the excesses and inequality capitalism produces. They give primacy to group rights and identity. They believe factors like race, ethnicity, and sex compose the primary political unit. They don’t believe in strong property rights.

They believe it is the government’s responsibility to solve social problems. They call for public intervention to “equalize” disparities and render our social fabric more inclusive (as they define it). They believe the free market has failed to solve issues like campaign finance, income inequality, minimum wage, access to health care, and righting past injustices. These people talk about “democracy”—the method of collective decisions.

These Definitions Put Nazis Firmly on the Left
By these definitions, the Nazis were firmly on the left. National Socialism was a collectivist authoritarian movement run by “social justice warriors.” This brand of “justice” benefited only some based on immutable characteristics, which perfectly aligns with the modern brand. The Nazi ideal embraced identity politics based on the primacy of the people, or volk, and invoked state-based solutions for every possible problem. It was nation-based socialism—the nation being especially important to those who bled in the Great War.

As Hayek stated in 1933, the year the Nazis took power: “t is more than probable that the real meaning of the German revolution is that the long dreaded expansion of communism into the heart of Europe has taken place but is not recognized because the fundamental similarity of methods and ideas is hidden by the difference in phraseology and the privileged groups.”


Nazism and socialism competed with the Enlightenment-based individualism of John Locke, Adam Smith, Montesquieu, and others who profoundly influenced the American founding and define the modern American right at its best. These thinkers fit easily with Hayek’s Austrian School of Economics, which opposed both the imperialist German Historical School and the Marxists.

Hayek knew what he was talking about. He was a 20th-century intellectual giant. His collected works include 19 books; he won the Nobel Prize in economics and Presidential Medal of Freedom, and held the honor of Maggie Thatcher’s “favorite intellectual guru.”

 

[2aguy]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

With the arrogant, ignorant, faulty position that Republicans are what Right wingers should be.

In reality Nazis were Right wingers, and Republicans Liberals.

You are wrong too....

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

Hayek’s Definitely Not the Only One
Yet the evidence the Nazis were leftists goes well beyond the views of this one scholar. Philosophically, Nazi doctrine fit well with the other strains of socialism ripping through Europe at the time. Hitler’s first “National Workers’ Party” meeting while he was still an Army corporal featured the speech “How and by What Means is Capitalism to be Eliminated?”

The Nazi charter published a year later and coauthored by Hitler is socialist in almost every aspect. It calls for “equality of rights for the German people”; the subjugation of the individual to the state; breaking of “rent slavery”; “confiscation of war profits”; the nationalization of industry; profit-sharing in heavy industry; large-scale social security; the “communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low costs to small firms”; the “free expropriation of land for the purpose of public utility”; the abolition of “materialistic” Roman Law; nationalizing education; nationalizing the army; state regulation of the press; and strong central power in the Reich. It was also racist and anti-immigrant

 

[2aguy]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

With the arrogant, ignorant, faulty position that Republicans are what Right wingers should be.

In reality Nazis were Right wingers, and Republicans Liberals.

The nazis were left wingers....through and through...

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

Also, Adolf Hitler Loved Karl Marx
It wasn’t only theoretical. Hitler repeatedly praised Marx privately, stating he had “learned a great deal from Marxism.” The trouble with the Weimar Republic, he said, was that its politicians “had never even read Marx.” He also stated his differences with communists were that they were intellectual types passing out pamphlets, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.”

It wasn’t just privately that Hitler’s fealty for Marx surfaced. In “Mein Kampf,” he states that without his racial insights National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground.” Nor did Hitler eschew this sentiment once reaching power. As late as 1941, with the war in bloom, he stated “basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same” in a speech published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Nazi propaganda minister and resident intellectual Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary that the Nazis would install “real socialism” after Russia’s defeat in the East. And Hitler favorite Albert Speer, the Nazi armaments minister whose memoir became an international bestseller, wrote that Hitler viewed Joseph Stalin as a kindred spirit, ensuring his prisoner of war son received good treatment, and even talked of keeping Stalin in power in a puppet government after Germany’s eventual triumph. His views on Great Britain’s Winston Churchill and the United States’s Franklin Delano Roosevelt were decidedly less kind.

Nazi and Communist Hatred of Each Other Was Brotherly
Despite this, there’s a persistent claim that Nazis and communists hated each other, and mention that the Nazis persecuted socialists and oppressed trade unions. These things are true, but prove little. The camps’ hatred stemmed from familiarity. It was internecine, the nastiest kind.

The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, not the left.

Both the right and the left exhibit elements of fascism.

Our modern right is consistently ignorant – or willfully ignorant and dishonest.

That argument fails as an ad hominem fallacy

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, not the left.

Both the right and the left exhibit elements of fascism.

Our modern right is consistently ignorant – or willfully ignorant and dishonest.

That argument fails as an ad hominem fallacy

The actual definition of Classical Liberalism, Neo Liberalism, and just plain Liberalism equates to less government, more freedoms, more rights, and sometimes equality.

The actual definition of Right wing equates to for traditional values, hierarchy, authoritarianism etc.

Nazis clearly fit with Right Wingers, and were clearly NOT Liberals.

American British Protestant savages, and even to a lesser extent British Protestant savages in the UK, have completely botched the definitions, due to their ignorance, and arrogance.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

When I saw the title of this thread, it was cut off in such a way as to say "This guy is pretty"

I thought to myself, this sure doesn't sound like the 2aguy I have come to know over the years!

He is wrong about the policies, but exactly right on the left shutting down debate and discussion....

Yep

Our modern left is closer to fascist than it is liberal.

With the arrogant, ignorant, faulty position that Republicans are what Right wingers should be.

In reality Nazis were Right wingers, and Republicans Liberals.

The nazis were left wingers....through and through...

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

Also, Adolf Hitler Loved Karl Marx
It wasn’t only theoretical. Hitler repeatedly praised Marx privately, stating he had “learned a great deal from Marxism.” The trouble with the Weimar Republic, he said, was that its politicians “had never even read Marx.” He also stated his differences with communists were that they were intellectual types passing out pamphlets, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.”

It wasn’t just privately that Hitler’s fealty for Marx surfaced. In “Mein Kampf,” he states that without his racial insights National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground.” Nor did Hitler eschew this sentiment once reaching power. As late as 1941, with the war in bloom, he stated “basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same” in a speech published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Nazi propaganda minister and resident intellectual Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary that the Nazis would install “real socialism” after Russia’s defeat in the East. And Hitler favorite Albert Speer, the Nazi armaments minister whose memoir became an international bestseller, wrote that Hitler viewed Joseph Stalin as a kindred spirit, ensuring his prisoner of war son received good treatment, and even talked of keeping Stalin in power in a puppet government after Germany’s eventual triumph. His views on Great Britain’s Winston Churchill and the United States’s Franklin Delano Roosevelt were decidedly less kind.

Nazi and Communist Hatred of Each Other Was Brotherly
Despite this, there’s a persistent claim that Nazis and communists hated each other, and mention that the Nazis persecuted socialists and oppressed trade unions. These things are true, but prove little. The camps’ hatred stemmed from familiarity. It was internecine, the nastiest kind.

The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls

Cutting taxes, and cutting regulations = Liberalism.

Controlling Capitalism to limit things like immigration, outsourced jobs,multiculturalism, porn, prostitution, abortion, gay marriage, illicit drug dealers, Hollywood & media Liberalism = Right wing.

Fascists correctly identified Capitalists as enemies.

Nazis were definitely way more smart than Republicans, even if more evil.

Republicans think tax cuts, business interest, and social Conservative values go hand, and hand,

That's a huge mistake, and ignorance in its own right.

 

[2aguy]

Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, not the left.

Both the right and the left exhibit elements of fascism.

Our modern right is consistently ignorant – or willfully ignorant and dishonest.

That argument fails as an ad hominem fallacy

The actual definition of Classical Liberalism, Neo Liberalism, and just plain Liberalism equates to less government, more freedoms, more rights, and sometimes equality.

The actual definition of Right wing equates to for traditional values, hierarchy, authoritarianism etc.

Nazis clearly fit with Right Wingers, and were clearly NOT Liberals.

American British Protestant savages, and even to a lesser extent British Protestant savages in the UK, have completely botched the definitions, due to their ignorance, and arrogance.

The Definition of Right and Left are not the same in the U.S. and Europe...in the U.S. the "Right Wing," is classical liberalism....the beliefs of the founders.......that isn't the same as the "right," in Europe......

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum, not the left.

Both the right and the left exhibit elements of fascism.

Our modern right is consistently ignorant – or willfully ignorant and dishonest.

That argument fails as an ad hominem fallacy

The actual definition of Classical Liberalism, Neo Liberalism, and just plain Liberalism equates to less government, more freedoms, more rights, and sometimes equality.

The actual definition of Right wing equates to for traditional values, hierarchy, authoritarianism etc.

Nazis clearly fit with Right Wingers, and were clearly NOT Liberals.

American British Protestant savages, and even to a lesser extent British Protestant savages in the UK, have completely botched the definitions, due to their ignorance, and arrogance.

The Definition of Right and Left are not the same in the U.S. and Europe...in the U.S. the "Right Wing," is classical liberalism....the beliefs of the founders.......that isn't the same as the "right," in Europe......

A.) The definition of Left vs Right COMES from Europe, AKA France.

B.) The first Leftists in France were actually Capitalists, and the first Right wingers were Monarchists.

C.) The Founding Fathers were White supremacists, who thought only White male land owners could vote, or a mere 6% of the population in the first USA election, they also often owned slaves, and by their Immigration Act the 1790 Naturalization Act, had no intention of giving citizenship rights to Blacks, Native Americans, and basically non-Whites in general.

D.) Actually, the USA Founding Fathers had more in common with Fascists, they also supported stronger corporate charters, and less corporate rights, than does the modern USA.