These are who we call Heroes

[Modbert]

They are just trying to weasel out of paying for health benefits for the next 40 years. The VA covers most anything as long as a soldier has a "service related injury". In reality, they are supposed to cover the injury. However, most VAs simply provide full coverage based on any "service-related injury" since they don't want to be in the unpopular position of trying to figure out which medical problems are tied to the "service-related" injury or not.

At least, that is my understanding of the matter. I enrolled in the VA and promptly decided to pay for my own insurance after one visit.

The DOD has gotten much better about PTSD with Gates at the helm.

Oh I know why they were doing it, that's why it disgusted me even more. And it definitely has.

 

[geauxtohell]

Oh I know why they were doing it, that's why it disgusted me even more. And it definitely has.

Most everything got better under Gates.

Rumsfeld is in a race with McNamara for "worst SECDEF/Secretary of War ever".

 

[Ringel05]

First, this is not the 1970s.
Well, duh.

Secondly, there is always a degree of bad-will between the base community and the local community. If this incident did happen, it doesn't automatically make it a political statement.
Again, well duh.

Third, protesting is one thing. Destruction of property is quite another.
Double again, well duh.

Fourth, since all bases were locked down after 9-11 and the gates were manned, I am curious as to how a vandal with a can of paint could carry out such a covert operation.
I don't remember him stating it was "on base". Maybe just outside the gate.

Incidents like this (and the veterans getting spit on) rise to the level of urban legend simply because they can't be independently corroborated. The truth could be exactly as the OP claims, total bullshit, or anywhere in between.
Third well duh.

Read my posts again, essentially I'm agreeing with you but adding aspects you appear to be omitting, like the possibility it did occur. A possibility based on past experiences. Do you honestly think radical nut jobs have changed much since the 70s??!!

If it occurred right outside of the base, that means some "liberal protester" was able to get close enough to the gates of a secured facility, launch a bucket of paint, and get away with it in front of some of the best soldiers in the Army.

Having had to pull gate duty (an unpleasant detail that fell on the infantry at Schofield), I have a hard time believing that. We caught people trying to sneak methamphetamine into the base. We'd have no problem responding to a vandal. The whole point is to secure the base.

At any rate, the problem with all these stories is, again, they can't be corroborated. That means it's basically up to you to believe or not believe the poster. I don't believe it. I'd be happy to look at a link or something that indicates the police were involved, but I doubt it exists.

Like I said, Hawaii is hostile to the military, and has been long before the war, and I never had an unpleasant experience with the locals during my almost three years there.

Actually, I take that back. I got screamed at by a bunch of military personal who felt they didn't have to follow the rules and one civilian who we refused to let on base to try and find her daughter (she didn't have ID or an escort). She called us "baby-killers" and sped off.

Not that any of us cared.

Are you still active duty? I don't know about Bragg but most bases are now (and have been for a while) civilian contract security/special police at the gates and in some instances augmenting the MP/SP element on post.

 

[SFC Ollie]

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[Harry Dresden]

why does obama hate white people? he is always sending those whiteys to die in foreign lands....

yours truly,

53rd street

its 53rd Ave......you got to move him uptown....

 

[Harry Dresden]

I would like for the OP to explain why the title? Is he saying that the US troops are endangering the child and father by fighting with them present or he is saying what fine example these men are showing as American troops by using themselves as cover to protect these civilians?

The way the liberals treat and what they say about our men and women in uniform I have to wonder.

Dog got like 14 thanks from lefters and right leaners and others.....does that not answer your question?....

 

[DiamondDave]

I may fully believe that dog is generally blinded by the leftist light.... but never really have seen him disrespect my brothers and sisters in arms

 

[Modbert]

I may fully believe that dog is generally blinded by the leftist light.... but never really have seen him disrespect my brothers and sisters in arms

You're half right. The part I bolded is wrong, especially considering how many "non-leftist" positions I hold.

 

[Ringel05]

I may fully believe that dog is generally blinded by the leftist light.... but never really have seen him disrespect my brothers and sisters in arms

You're half right. The part I bolded is wrong, especially considering how many "non-leftist" positions I hold.

Yeah sure......

 

[Lost Soul]

I would like for the OP to explain why the title? Is he saying that the US troops are endangering the child and father by fighting with them present or he is saying what fine example these men are showing as American troops by using themselves as cover to protect these civilians?

The way the liberals treat and what they say about our men and women in uniform I have to wonder.

Dog got like 14 thanks from lefters and right leaners and others.....does that not answer your question?....

I could give a fuck less.

The majority of assholes whom attack the military are in fact liberals. Not a damn soul can say different and if they do, then they are a goddamn liar. When was the last time you heard a conservative call the troops murderers, rapest, beasts, invaders, torturers, baby killers? All you have to do is watch an anti war protest and you will see signs saying these very things. I know because I have seen it first hand.

And wicked, I dont know when you went though RIP, but when I did I remember what we were told about communist liberals. Too fucking bad you have forgotten. Me coming from a long line of military members, esp my father who did 33 years and three tours in Vietnam as a Sea Bee, he saw first hand what type of Americans liberals are. I will never forget the day I stood in Atlanta Airport waiting for my flight and after numberous people coming up to me to thank me for my service only to have this one stupid bitch walk up to me and ask if I was going to Iraq. When I told her I was flying home for leave, she told me "to to bad". The little hippy bitch sure in the hell wasnt a conservative.

 

[elvis]

I would like for the OP to explain why the title? Is he saying that the US troops are endangering the child and father by fighting with them present or he is saying what fine example these men are showing as American troops by using themselves as cover to protect these civilians?

The way the liberals treat and what they say about our men and women in uniform I have to wonder.

Dog got like 14 thanks from lefters and right leaners and others.....does that not answer your question?....

I could give a fuck less.

The majority of assholes whom attack the military are in fact liberals. Not a damn soul can say different and if they do, then they are a goddamn liar. When was the last time you heard a conservative call the troops murderers, rapest, beasts, invaders, torturers, baby killers? All you have to do is watch an anti war protest and you will see signs saying these very things. I know because I have seen it first hand.

And wicked, I dont know when you went though RIP, but when I did I remember what we were told about communist liberals. Too fucking bad you have forgotten. Me coming from a long line of military members, esp my father who did 33 years and three tours in Vietnam as a Sea Bee, he saw first hand what type of Americans liberals are. I will never forget the day I stood in Atlanta Airport waiting for my flight and after numberous people coming up to me to thank me for my service only to have this one stupid bitch walk up to me and ask if I was going to Iraq. When I told her I was flying home for leave, she told me "to to bad". The little hippy bitch sure in the hell wasnt a conservative.

your claim is backwards. you say the majority of assholes who attack the military are liberals. that may be true. but that doesn't mean that the majority of liberals are people who attack the military.

 

[geauxtohell]

Are you still active duty? I don't know about Bragg but most bases are now (and have been for a while) civilian contract security/special police at the gates and in some instances augmenting the MP/SP element on post.

No. I'd venture to guess that most of those bases don't have active duty combat arms units like the Infantry to farm out the crappy detail to for cheap.

Even our MPs didn't do gate duty post 9-11. We did, and the job rotated from unit to unit a month at a time.

 

[Lost Soul]

I would like for the OP to explain why the title? Is he saying that the US troops are endangering the child and father by fighting with them present or he is saying what fine example these men are showing as American troops by using themselves as cover to protect these civilians?

The way the liberals treat and what they say about our men and women in uniform I have to wonder.

You are a idiot, plain and simple.

Why because I questioned your OP when you didn't make your intentions clear. Your liberal buddies have a long history of hating the military so how was I to know you weren't just like them?

So the next time you want to play little immature games by posting this type of OP, you will think twice because those of us that have served know how liberals can be and automatically take offense and want to know what the meaning of it.

If you have a problem with that, too fucking bad. Deal with it because I will not stand by to allow another liberal take cheap shots at those of us that have the balls to stand up and fight for this country.

 

[Modbert]

Why because I questioned your OP when you didn't make your intentions clear. Your liberal buddies have a long history of hating the military so how was I to know you weren't just like them?

So the next time you want to play little immature games by posting this type of OP, you will think twice because those of us that have served know how liberals can be and automatically take offense and want to know what the meaning of it.

If you have a problem with that, too fucking bad. Deal with it because I will not stand by to allow another liberal take cheap shots at those of us that have the balls to stand up and fight for this country.

You seriously need to get your head checked if you believe what you just said in that post, specifically everything I bolded. And since you won't allow another Liberal to take cheap shots for those that have served, I guess that means you'll allow Conservatives?

 

[geauxtohell]

I would like for the OP to explain why the title? Is he saying that the US troops are endangering the child and father by fighting with them present or he is saying what fine example these men are showing as American troops by using themselves as cover to protect these civilians?

The way the liberals treat and what they say about our men and women in uniform I have to wonder.

You are a idiot, plain and simple.

Why because I questioned your OP when you didn't make your intentions clear. Your liberal buddies have a long history of hating the military so how was I to know you weren't just like them?

So the next time you want to play little immature games by posting this type of OP, you will think twice because those of us that have served know how liberals can be and automatically take offense and want to know what the meaning of it.

If you have a problem with that, too fucking bad. Deal with it because I will not stand by to allow another liberal take cheap shots at those of us that have the balls to stand up and fight for this country.

As if you are handing out the ultimatums here.

I served and think both the left and the right has it's share of assholes.

Case in point: you.

 

[Lost Soul]

Are you still active duty? I don't know about Bragg but most bases are now (and have been for a while) civilian contract security/special police at the gates and in some instances augmenting the MP/SP element on post.

No. I'd venture to guess that most of those bases don't have active duty combat arms units like the Infantry to farm out the crappy detail to for cheap.

Even our MPs didn't do gate duty post 9-11. We did, and the job rotated from unit to unit a month at a time.

I dont know what Army you were in but the Army I served in always had MPs at the gate. Us in lines units NEVER did gate duty because we weren't trained for it. If we did any guard duty it was at a ammo dump or a sensitive site. The only time were even near the gates was when we were behind the concrete slabs inside a bunker manning a M-60 or Saw. But the MP's were screening cars before coming to the gate. We were the last line of defense.

 

[geauxtohell]

Are you still active duty? I don't know about Bragg but most bases are now (and have been for a while) civilian contract security/special police at the gates and in some instances augmenting the MP/SP element on post.

No. I'd venture to guess that most of those bases don't have active duty combat arms units like the Infantry to farm out the crappy detail to for cheap.

Even our MPs didn't do gate duty post 9-11. We did, and the job rotated from unit to unit a month at a time.

I dont know what Army you were in but the Army I served in always had MPs at the gate. Us in lines units NEVER did gate duty because we weren't trained for it. If we did any guard duty it was at a ammo dump or a sensitive site. The only time were even near the gates was when we were behind the concrete slabs inside a bunker manning a M-60 or Saw. But the MP's were screening cars before coming to the gate. We were the last line of defense.

Did you say you went to Iraq? Are you talking about the first one or the second one?

 

[Lost Soul]

No. I'd venture to guess that most of those bases don't have active duty combat arms units like the Infantry to farm out the crappy detail to for cheap.

Even our MPs didn't do gate duty post 9-11. We did, and the job rotated from unit to unit a month at a time.

I dont know what Army you were in but the Army I served in always had MPs at the gate. Us in lines units NEVER did gate duty because we weren't trained for it. If we did any guard duty it was at a ammo dump or a sensitive site. The only time were even near the gates was when we were behind the concrete slabs inside a bunker manning a M-60 or Saw. But the MP's were screening cars before coming to the gate. We were the last line of defense.

Did you say you went to Iraq? Are you talking about the first one or the second one?

Why does it matter. You going to try to say I wasn't there? Anytime punk. Want me to post pictures?

I am not the one getting schooled on military matters. So you going to change your story now or do I need to post links?

 

[Ringel05]

Are you still active duty? I don't know about Bragg but most bases are now (and have been for a while) civilian contract security/special police at the gates and in some instances augmenting the MP/SP element on post.

No. I'd venture to guess that most of those bases don't have active duty combat arms units like the Infantry to farm out the crappy detail to for cheap.

Even our MPs didn't do gate duty post 9-11. We did, and the job rotated from unit to unit a month at a time.

Luckily I was medical/dental and didn't have to pull that duty except one time and that was cut short. In 73 I was in Panama and we squids were assigned to do gate duty at the Marine Barracks for the Marines birthday. I had a late shift (don't remember what time) but about an hour into it Gunny and a couple of corporals showed up at the gate three sheets to the wind. Gunny took one look, parked the car (yes they were driving), told one of the corps to take over gate duty, took me back into the gate house (not a shack, an actual gate house), poured me some coffee, pulled out a flask then stiffened the coffee. I did protest, didn't really want an article 15 for abandoning my post and drinking on duty but all Gunny would say is:" Doc, you've been properly relieved now drink up. Who's gonna argue with the gunny? Not me. We sat there drinking "coffee" and shooting the shit until the relief arrived.

 

[geauxtohell]

I dont know what Army you were in but the Army I served in always had MPs at the gate. Us in lines units NEVER did gate duty because we weren't trained for it. If we did any guard duty it was at a ammo dump or a sensitive site. The only time were even near the gates was when we were behind the concrete slabs inside a bunker manning a M-60 or Saw. But the MP's were screening cars before coming to the gate. We were the last line of defense.

Did you say you went to Iraq? Are you talking about the first one or the second one?

Why does it matter. You going to try to say I wasn't there? Anytime punk. Want me to post pictures?

I am not the one getting schooled on military matters. So you going to change your story now or do I need to post links?

I only ask because the Army I served in replaced the M-60 with the M-240B in the early 1990s.

Starting with the 75th Ranger Regiment, which you claim to have been a part of.

I don't care to see your pictures.

But thanks for showing me what a tough, bad-ass, mother-fucker you are with the negative rep.

That in no way makes you look like a ginormous pussy.