There goes that 'there are no victims in homosexuality' argument...

[MissileMan]

:-/





If the guy wasn't 'gay' - he wouldn't have abducted that boy. Cause and Effect. Because the guy enjoyed ramming into the butt of another male, he found a boy to attack. If the guy did NOT enjoy such behavior, that boy would have been safe.

You apparently are unaware of the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. I don't hear you arguing that all heterosexuals are pedophiles when a man molests a little girl. Get a grip on reality! And invest in a dictionary!

 

[dmp]

You apparently are unaware of the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. I don't hear you arguing that all heterosexuals are pedophiles when a man molests a little girl. Get a grip on reality! And invest in a dictionary!

Again - did I 'claim' all homosexuals are pedophiles? I wrote "If this guy had not been gay, he would not have hurt that little boy"

It shouldn't be that hard to understand.

 

[MissileMan]

Again - did I 'claim' all homosexuals are pedophiles? I wrote "If this guy had not been gay, he would not have hurt that little boy"

It shouldn't be that hard to understand.

You STILL don't get it! If he had not been a PEDOPHILE, he would not have hurt that little boy.

 

[dmp]

You STILL don't get it! If he had not been a PEDOPHILE, he would not have hurt that little boy.

...and if he hadn't been used to or conditioned fullfilling his deviant urges, he'd not have molested the boy.

Homosexuals cannot exercise good judgement in control of their sexual urges. That's the point. I'd bet money that if we had a time machine, and got that man help when he first started his homosexual activities, we could have stopped them, and that boy would NOT have been hurt - there's a good chance if that man had learned to control his actions/behaviours, he'd NOT have molested any child.

Homosexual Proponents really enjoy shifting the focus - Homosexual priests who molest boys are the biggest example of a 'group' failing to acknowledge the perrils of their lifestyle

 

[wolvie20m]

That is simply your opinion and a far fetched one at that. There is no factual proof of Gay or Homosexual men being pedophiles, NONE. Unless you can base this assuption on something you are simply sterotyping a group of people. Which like saying all lesbians are lesbians cause they hate men. I have a question for you also do you belive women homosexuals are bound to be pedophiles, or are you basing your whole case just cause of your disgust in men gays?

 

[MissileMan]

...and if he hadn't been used to or conditioned fullfilling his deviant urges, he'd not have molested the boy.

Homosexuals cannot exercise good judgement in control of their sexual urges. That's the point. I'd bet money that if we had a time machine, and got that man help when he first started his homosexual activities, we could have stopped them, and that boy would NOT have been hurt - there's a good chance if that man had learned to control his actions/behaviours, he'd NOT have molested any child.

Homosexual Proponents really enjoy shifting the focus - Homosexual priests who molest boys are the biggest example of a 'group' failing to acknowledge the perrils of their lifestyle

Your whole point is BS! If you had printed a story about a homosexual rapist, that might have forwarded your position that homosexuals have no control. Instead, you cite an example of pedophilia and scream "Oh look! It's those bad homos again!"

The very fact that most of them want to enter into binding, monogamous relationships contradicts your argument also.

And since you brought it up, how about those priests? You said that you could have "cured" the original rapist in your post if you had gotten to him early. I assume you mean by putting him in touch with god and getting him to modify his behavior based in a stronger belief in religious morals. That would be a pretty good trick when you consider that there are all those priests who have dedicated their life to god, spent countless hours in prayer and contemplation of the bible, and STILL molest little boys. Do you suppose there might be a stronger force than religion at play here?

 

[007]

Your whole point is BS! If you had printed a story about a homosexual rapist, that might have forwarded your position that homosexuals have no control. Instead, you cite an example of pedophilia and scream "Oh look! It's those bad homos again!"

OK... let's go through this sloooooooowly, so that it can sink into that thick skull of your's. And READ IT ALL... I don't want to hear anymore of your idiotic claims that there "is no proof", when it's ALL RIGHT HERE.

Report: Pedophilia more common among 'gays'
Research purports to reveal 'dark side' of homosexual culture
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: April 29, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com


Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement," soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.

Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C.

"It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh," wrote Baldwin. "However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family."

Though the homosexual community and much of the media scoff at such accusations, Baldwin – who chaired the California Assembly's Education committee, where he fought against support for the homosexual agenda in the state's public schools – says in his report that homosexual activists' "efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement" constitute an "unmistakable" attack on "the family unit."

Baldwin's research is substantiated in a recently completed body of work written by Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education and author of numerous authoritative books debunking sexual myths, including "Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences."

In her thesis – also written for the Regent University Law Review – Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …"

Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males."

"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering," said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. "Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."

Jay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG – Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.

"According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), this claim is false," he told WND by e-mail. "The gay and lesbian community calls into question any dubious research which flies in the face of our own experience."

And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, "There are far more heterosexual cases than homosexual."

In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.

Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman found that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of minors is also slanted.

"The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently boasted that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the population, three-fourths of the people who decide the content of the front page of the New York Times are homosexual," Reisman wrote.

That one fact is especially noteworthy, experts point out, given the recent child sex scandals taking place within the American Catholic church.

A survey by WorldNetDaily of recent news reports found that rarely did the media describe priestly sexual abuse as "homosexual" or "gay" activity – even though the worst incidents involved male-to-male contact, and a spate of investigative reports has revealed that the Vatican is concerned about an upsurge of homosexuals in seminary schools throughout the world.

Gay press promotes sex with children

Baldwin says his research not only "confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals," but it found that "the mainstream homosexual culture" even "commonly promotes sex with children."

"The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality," Baldwin wrote.

During his research, he also found:


The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …" The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality … we must do it for the children's sake."

Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Homosexuality 'youth-oriented'?

"Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a youth-oriented culture," Baldwin wrote. "Very few gays exhibit preference for older men."

"Some admit to focus on teenage boys," he said, "some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over between categories."

A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin's report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be "gay." According to the study, "Archives of Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.

When asked what he thought about critics who attempt to debunk his research, Baldwin said the results speak for themselves.

"For them to say this theory is false is to call many of the homosexual movement's leaders liars," he said. "Most of my evidence comes right from the gay community."

"I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis – child molestation is an integral part of the homosexual movement – is a valid thesis," Baldwin told WorldNetDaily.

Other experts have also found a distinct pattern between child sex abusers and the incidence of homosexuality.

"How long can psychologists be in denial about the significance of the dark side, and ignore what it implies about the homosexual condition? And there's a matter of even greater concern. How long will psychologists eagerly throw open the door to gay life for every sexually confused teenager?" writes Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf of NARTH – the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality – a group that says it exists to "provide psychological understanding of the cause, treatment and behavior patterns associated with homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil public dialogue."

The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is "a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love," Baldwin said in his report.

The group is often endorsed by "many of the homosexual movement's most prominent leaders," he said.

Advocacy moving to schools

Promotion of the "gay and lesbian lifestyle" is increasing in the nation's public schools.

A WND survey of homosexual-oriented websites found that almost every group has some sort of program to "educate" teachers, school administrators and other school employees about the homosexual lifestyle:


GLSEN – the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network – bills itself as "the largest national network of parents, students, educators and others" specifically formed to end "discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity/expression in K-12 schools. Two recent press released boasted of the Broward County (Fla.) school board approving GLSEN-sponsored "training for teachers."

A student activist working with GLSEN officials has managed to "give voice" recently to "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered students" at California schools;

PFLAG has created a national campaign called, "From Our House to the Schoolhouse," distributing to school officials – among other materials – a booklet entitled, "Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation and Youth: A Primer For Principals, Educators, & School Personnel. [Editor's note: Readers need the Adobe PDF reader to open and read this file.]
Though most school-related programs are sold to administrators and parents as programs designed simply to end persecution of homosexuals and lesbians, none disclose what Baldwin says is compelling evidence that homosexuality is harmful to children.

"What … does the academic literature say about the relationship between homosexuality and child molestation? Quite a bit, actually," he wrote, quoting data compiled by the Family Research Institute: "Scientific studies confirm a strong pedophilic predisposition among homosexuals."

The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed reports in a 1985 "Psychological Reports" article, found that homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child molestation.

"But this number is low," Baldwin says, "due to the fact that many reporters will not report if a child molester is a homosexual, even if he knows that to be the case."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

The very fact that most of them want to enter into binding, monogamous relationships contradicts your argument also.

And it goes on... and you just don't seem to be right about ANYTHING. Read up and be educated...

HARMFUL ASPECTS OF THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE

The evidence demonstrates incontrovertibly that the homosexual lifestyle is inconsistent with the proper raising of children. Homosexual relationships are characteristically unstable and are fundamentally incapable of providing children the security they need.


Homosexual Promiscuity

Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime, a lifestyle that is difficult for even "committed" homosexuals to break free of and which is not conducive to a healthy and wholesome atmosphere for the raising of children.

A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with five hundred or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.29

In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101–500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners.30

A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than 100 sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than 1,000 sexual partners.31

In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."32


Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples

Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" typically means something radically different than in heterosexual marriage.

In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison report that in a study of 156 males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years: Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.33 Most understood sexual relations outside the relationship to be the norm, and viewed adopting monogamous standards as an act of oppression.

In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.34

In their Journal of Sex Research study of the sexual practices of older homosexual men, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that only 2.7 percent of older homosexuals had only one sexual partner in their lifetime.35

Comparison of Homosexual ‘Couples’ and Heterosexual Spouses

Lest anyone suffer the illusion that any equivalency between the sexual practices of homosexual relationships and traditional marriage exists, the statistics regarding sexual fidelity within marriage are revealing: In Sex in America, called by the New York Times "the most important study of American sexual behavior since the Kinsey reports," Robert T. Michael et al. report that 90 percent of wives and 75 percent of husbands claim never to have had extramarital sex.36

A nationally representative survey of 884 men and 1,288 women published in Journal of Sex Research found that 77 percent of married men and 88 percent of married women had remained faithful to their marriage vows.37

In The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States, E. O. Laumann et al. conducted a national survey that found that 75 percent of husbands and 85 percent of wives never had sexual relations outside of marriage.38

A telephone survey conducted for Parade magazine of 1,049 adults selected to represent the demographic characteristics of the United States found that 81 percent of married men and 85 percent of married women reported that they had never violated their marriage vows.39

While the rate of fidelity within marriage cited by these studies remains far from ideal, there is a magnum order of difference between the negligible lifetime fidelity rate cited for homosexuals and the 75 to 90 percent cited for married couples. This indicates that even "committed" homosexual relationships display a fundamental incapacity for the faithfulness and commitment that is axiomatic to the institution of marriage.

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/DaileyGayAdopt.htm

And since you brought it up, how about those priests? You said that you could have "cured" the original rapist in your post if you had gotten to him early. I assume you mean by putting him in touch with god and getting him to modify his behavior based in a stronger belief in religious morals. That would be a pretty good trick when you consider that there are all those priests who have dedicated their life to god, spent countless hours in prayer and contemplation of the bible, and STILL molest little boys. Do you suppose there might be a stronger force than religion at play here?

That's simple. Those priests who have decided to molest young boys have succumbed to the temptation of the devil. They have forsaken God and his word.

 

[dmp]

Your whole point is BS! If you had printed a story about a homosexual rapist, that might have forwarded your position that homosexuals have no control. Instead, you cite an example of pedophilia and scream "Oh look! It's those bad homos again!"

The very fact that most of them want to enter into binding, monogamous relationships contradicts your argument also.

This man enjoys sex with males. He has urges which he does not control. Now, that lack of control has lead him to sex with a young boy.

Most of whome want a binding monogamous relationship? Don't make up bullshit facts.

And since you brought it up, how about those priests? You said that you could have "cured" the original rapist in your post if you had gotten to him early. I assume you mean by putting him in touch with god and getting him to modify his behavior based in a stronger belief in religious morals. That would be a pretty good trick when you consider that there are all those priests who have dedicated their life to god, spent countless hours in prayer and contemplation of the bible, and STILL molest little boys. Do you suppose there might be a stronger force than religion at play here?

Again - you don't want truth...you make assumptions which are impossible to argue.

I'm saying "If we, as a culture, stop promoting homosexuality as 'valid' we can cut down the number of cases where a man molests a young boy.

I'd like to find ONE homosexual man who doesn't have daddy issues.

 

[dmp]

That is simply your opinion and a far fetched one at that. There is no factual proof of Gay or Homosexual men being pedophiles, NONE.

Again... "If THIS man controlled, and fixed his homosexual issues, he would not have molested that boy".

Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[wolvie20m]

Ok so your proof providing most of the pedophiles are gay. This doesn't prove that being gay or homosexual causes them to do what they do. Only proves more of them are homosexual. So you got all this proof of being homosexual cause lack of sexual control. What about the ones that target girls? Your saying they do it cause they want to, and gays do it cause thier homosexuals not because they have a dissorder just like someone whos strait and rapes or molests children. Just doesn't make sense to say they do it cause thier homosexual. You do have a argument that a larger portion of pedophiles are homosexual, not that they do what they do cause thier homosexual. Give some of these links where you retrived this info if you would please.

 

[007]

Ok so your proof providing most of the pedophiles are gay. This doesn't prove that being gay or homosexual causes them to do what they do. Only proves more of them are homosexual. So you got all this proof of being homosexual cause lack of sexual control. What about the ones that target girls? Your saying they do it cause they want to, and gays do it cause thier homosexuals not because they have a dissorder just like someone whos strait and rapes or molests children. Just doesn't make sense to say they do it cause thier homosexual. You do have a argument that a larger portion of pedophiles are homosexual, not that they do what they do cause thier homosexual. Give some of these links where you retrived this info if you would please.

So at least you realize there are MORE "homosexual" pedophiles than hetero. That's all the point I was making. But in the same arguement, a "heterosexual" pedophile would NOT molest a little "boy". So with that, yes, the reason this "man" molested this little "boy" is because he was a QUEER!

 

[dmp]

Ok so your proof providing most of the pedophiles are gay. This doesn't prove that being gay or homosexual causes them to do what they do. Only proves more of them are homosexual. So you got all this proof of being homosexual cause lack of sexual control. What about the ones that target girls? Your saying they do it cause they want to, and gays do it cause thier homosexuals not because they have a dissorder just like someone whos strait and rapes or molests children. Just doesn't make sense to say they do it cause thier homosexual. You do have a argument that a larger portion of pedophiles are homosexual, not that they do what they do cause thier homosexual. Give some of these links where you retrived this info if you would please.

No - Being homosexual does not cause lack of sexual control; homosexuality is caused by lack of control. It's when instead of seeking help for, or otherwise understanding their desires, they give-in, allowing their sexual experiences to define 'who' they are.

 

[wolvie20m]

Damn after all the BS we just went through I thought we had agreed till you went and ruined by sayin he does it cause he's gay. I would like to see links to your source's if you would. You make a good argument but it falls through when you say someone does something cause thier something. They maybee linked in some way, everything is linked in some way. You just can't prove it. I agree though your entitled to your opinion, just keep your opinion and the facts seperate.

 

[MissileMan]

OK... let's go through this sloooooooowly, so that it can sink into that thick skull of your's. And READ IT ALL... I don't want to hear anymore of your idiotic claims that there "is no proof", when it's ALL RIGHT HERE.

Report: Pedophilia more common among 'gays'
Research purports to reveal 'dark side' of homosexual culture
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: April 29, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com


Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement," soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.

Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C.

"It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh," wrote Baldwin. "However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family."

Though the homosexual community and much of the media scoff at such accusations, Baldwin – who chaired the California Assembly's Education committee, where he fought against support for the homosexual agenda in the state's public schools – says in his report that homosexual activists' "efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement" constitute an "unmistakable" attack on "the family unit."

Baldwin's research is substantiated in a recently completed body of work written by Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education and author of numerous authoritative books debunking sexual myths, including "Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences."

In her thesis – also written for the Regent University Law Review – Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …"

Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males."

"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering," said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. "Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."

Jay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG – Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.

"According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), this claim is false," he told WND by e-mail. "The gay and lesbian community calls into question any dubious research which flies in the face of our own experience."

And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, "There are far more heterosexual cases than homosexual."

In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.

Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman found that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of minors is also slanted.

"The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently boasted that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the population, three-fourths of the people who decide the content of the front page of the New York Times are homosexual," Reisman wrote.

That one fact is especially noteworthy, experts point out, given the recent child sex scandals taking place within the American Catholic church.

A survey by WorldNetDaily of recent news reports found that rarely did the media describe priestly sexual abuse as "homosexual" or "gay" activity – even though the worst incidents involved male-to-male contact, and a spate of investigative reports has revealed that the Vatican is concerned about an upsurge of homosexuals in seminary schools throughout the world.

Gay press promotes sex with children

Baldwin says his research not only "confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals," but it found that "the mainstream homosexual culture" even "commonly promotes sex with children."

"The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality," Baldwin wrote.

During his research, he also found:


The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …" The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality … we must do it for the children's sake."

Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Homosexuality 'youth-oriented'?

"Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a youth-oriented culture," Baldwin wrote. "Very few gays exhibit preference for older men."

"Some admit to focus on teenage boys," he said, "some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over between categories."

A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin's report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be "gay." According to the study, "Archives of Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.

When asked what he thought about critics who attempt to debunk his research, Baldwin said the results speak for themselves.

"For them to say this theory is false is to call many of the homosexual movement's leaders liars," he said. "Most of my evidence comes right from the gay community."

"I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis – child molestation is an integral part of the homosexual movement – is a valid thesis," Baldwin told WorldNetDaily.

Other experts have also found a distinct pattern between child sex abusers and the incidence of homosexuality.

"How long can psychologists be in denial about the significance of the dark side, and ignore what it implies about the homosexual condition? And there's a matter of even greater concern. How long will psychologists eagerly throw open the door to gay life for every sexually confused teenager?" writes Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf of NARTH – the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality – a group that says it exists to "provide psychological understanding of the cause, treatment and behavior patterns associated with homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil public dialogue."

The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is "a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love," Baldwin said in his report.

The group is often endorsed by "many of the homosexual movement's most prominent leaders," he said.

Advocacy moving to schools

Promotion of the "gay and lesbian lifestyle" is increasing in the nation's public schools.

A WND survey of homosexual-oriented websites found that almost every group has some sort of program to "educate" teachers, school administrators and other school employees about the homosexual lifestyle:


GLSEN – the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network – bills itself as "the largest national network of parents, students, educators and others" specifically formed to end "discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity/expression in K-12 schools. Two recent press released boasted of the Broward County (Fla.) school board approving GLSEN-sponsored "training for teachers."

A student activist working with GLSEN officials has managed to "give voice" recently to "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered students" at California schools;

PFLAG has created a national campaign called, "From Our House to the Schoolhouse," distributing to school officials – among other materials – a booklet entitled, "Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation and Youth: A Primer For Principals, Educators, & School Personnel. [Editor's note: Readers need the Adobe PDF reader to open and read this file.]
Though most school-related programs are sold to administrators and parents as programs designed simply to end persecution of homosexuals and lesbians, none disclose what Baldwin says is compelling evidence that homosexuality is harmful to children.

"What … does the academic literature say about the relationship between homosexuality and child molestation? Quite a bit, actually," he wrote, quoting data compiled by the Family Research Institute: "Scientific studies confirm a strong pedophilic predisposition among homosexuals."

The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed reports in a 1985 "Psychological Reports" article, found that homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child molestation.

"But this number is low," Baldwin says, "due to the fact that many reporters will not report if a child molester is a homosexual, even if he knows that to be the case."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431




And it goes on... and you just don't seem to be right about ANYTHING. Read up and be educated...

HARMFUL ASPECTS OF THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE

The evidence demonstrates incontrovertibly that the homosexual lifestyle is inconsistent with the proper raising of children. Homosexual relationships are characteristically unstable and are fundamentally incapable of providing children the security they need.


Homosexual Promiscuity

Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime, a lifestyle that is difficult for even "committed" homosexuals to break free of and which is not conducive to a healthy and wholesome atmosphere for the raising of children.

A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with five hundred or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.29

In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101–500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners.30

A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than 100 sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than 1,000 sexual partners.31

In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."32


Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples

Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" typically means something radically different than in heterosexual marriage.

In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison report that in a study of 156 males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years: Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.33 Most understood sexual relations outside the relationship to be the norm, and viewed adopting monogamous standards as an act of oppression.

In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.34

In their Journal of Sex Research study of the sexual practices of older homosexual men, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that only 2.7 percent of older homosexuals had only one sexual partner in their lifetime.35

Comparison of Homosexual ‘Couples’ and Heterosexual Spouses

Lest anyone suffer the illusion that any equivalency between the sexual practices of homosexual relationships and traditional marriage exists, the statistics regarding sexual fidelity within marriage are revealing: In Sex in America, called by the New York Times "the most important study of American sexual behavior since the Kinsey reports," Robert T. Michael et al. report that 90 percent of wives and 75 percent of husbands claim never to have had extramarital sex.36

A nationally representative survey of 884 men and 1,288 women published in Journal of Sex Research found that 77 percent of married men and 88 percent of married women had remained faithful to their marriage vows.37

In The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States, E. O. Laumann et al. conducted a national survey that found that 75 percent of husbands and 85 percent of wives never had sexual relations outside of marriage.38

A telephone survey conducted for Parade magazine of 1,049 adults selected to represent the demographic characteristics of the United States found that 81 percent of married men and 85 percent of married women reported that they had never violated their marriage vows.39

While the rate of fidelity within marriage cited by these studies remains far from ideal, there is a magnum order of difference between the negligible lifetime fidelity rate cited for homosexuals and the 75 to 90 percent cited for married couples. This indicates that even "committed" homosexual relationships display a fundamental incapacity for the faithfulness and commitment that is axiomatic to the institution of marriage.

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/DaileyGayAdopt.htm




That's simple. Those priests who have decided to molest young boys have succumbed to the temptation of the devil. They have forsaken God and his word.

Oh so now, the Debil made em do it! You are so laughable! Who's making excuses now? It was the Debil, it wasn't the pedophilic priest, it was the Debil! :wank:

"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering," said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. "Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."

The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed reports in a 1985 "Psychological Reports" article, found that homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child molestation.

Now do some math! If a homosexual pedophile has over 7 times the number of victims as the heterosexual pedophile, how is it that homosexual pedophiles only account for 25 to 40 percent of the molestations? Ding! Survey says, " It must be because there are wayyyy more heterosexual pedophiles than homosexual." Those are your own numbers!

 

[wolvie20m]

Ding Ding round 3, if your could excuse me I'm gonna do a little dance now

 

[Bullypulpit]

:-/





If the guy wasn't 'gay' - he wouldn't have abducted that boy. Cause and Effect. Because the guy enjoyed ramming into the butt of another male, he found a boy to attack. If the guy did NOT enjoy such behavior, that boy would have been safe.

Pedophiles are not neccessarily homosexual. Most, in fact, deny being homosexual. They are attracted more to male and female children than to adults of either gender.

You know, the most virulent homophobes have been found to be serious closet queens. So, it seems to me that you should be the one seeking help.

 

[musicman]

Ding Ding round 3, if your could excuse me I'm gonna do a little dance now

I don't know what you're dancing about, wolvie. That there are wayyyy more heterosexual pedophiles than homosexual has never been in dispute. The problem is that, while homosexual males make up only 2-3% of the population, they are responsible for a wildly disproportionate number of child molestations. Doesn't that give you pause?

 

[wolvie20m]

Musicman, if you've read all the previous posts you'll see this has been in debate for some time. I am simply doing a dance to the fact that the argument was a slam dunk on my side.

 

[musicman]

Musicman, if you've read all the previous posts you'll see this has been in debate for some time. I am simply doing a dance to the fact that the argument was a slam dunk on my side.

Well, wolvie, I've not only read all the posts - I daresay I have participated in dozens of similar such debates on this board. As for a "slam dunk" - sorry, man - I don't see it. The fact that a tiny minority account for 25-40% of child molestations seems to argue against you rather convincingly. The sheer numbers are not the issue here. The wildly disproportionate number of molestations commited by homosexuals is damning. Surely you can see that.

 

[wolvie20m]

Of course I would never condone a child molestation. I simply want to show that a person being gay does not prove them more likely to be a pedophile. I exclude no group from being punished for crimes such as these.