The Unenforceability of abortion bans

[Rigby5]

The Grisly, Diverse World of Meat-Eating Primates

While primates like chimpanzees enjoy plenty of meat-filled meals that they risk their lives for, some of their relatives rarely (or never) stray from veggies.

www.discovermagazine.com

What an idiot, we were hunter gatherers for most of the history of humanity.

Primates kill and eat meat too and humans are not he only primates to use tools.

Tools and primates: Opportunity, not necessity, is the mother of invention

When food is scarce, tool use among non-human primates does not increase. This counterintuitive finding leads researchers to suggest that the driving force behind tool use is ecological opportunity -- and that the environment shapes the development of culture.

www.sciencedaily.com

Primate tool-use: Chimpanzees make drinking sticks

Critically endangered chimpanzees in Ivory Coast craft extra-absorbent drinking sticks, researchers observe.

www.bbc.com

It must be a full time job being such an idiot.

The time period when humans became predators was ONLY AFTER we invented tools, so is very recent.
Only about 100,000 years.
Evolution changes nothing significant in such a short time period.
Very rarely do any primates ever kill anything.
They are all essentially prey, not predators.

Using tools is irrelevant.
The point is we were no good at hunting until we learned how to make blades, arrows, knives, etc.
That is very recent.
Less than 100,000 years.

 

[JoeB131]

It always amazes me how the most ignorant on any subject are usually the loudest.

A human fetus is by definition "human".

So is a removed tonsil, but it doesn't make it a person.

Any woman having sex that doesn't realize pregnancy is a possible consequence of having sex should probably be sterilized because she's too stupid to live and reproduce.

Or she can just have children when she's ready. That works, too.

Any offspring she produces will likely bring the average IQ in the US down.

Then you should be happy she's having an abortion.

Neither is a 20 year old under anesthetic, is he/she still a human?

A child is a young human being, born or not yet born.

I realize that's your religious belief... but not practical in the real world.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Omnivores are generally carrion eaters.
There are no carnivore primates, like monkeys, and they all have their eyes on the front of their head, and canine teeth.
Eyes on the front have to do with improved night vision or depth perception.
Nothing to do with predator or not.
Pigs are omnivores with 4 canine teeth, and they clearly are not predators.

You should really stop fabricating bullshit. Pigs are very much predatory and are known to kill prey regularly. Like bears they are absolute omnivores who will eat just about anything they can get in their mouths.

Feral pigs are well known for killing livestock and dogs and eating them afterwards as well as snakes and vermin such as rats and mice.

Their eyes however are not in the front of their face/head, they are on the sides giving them about a 280 degree field of view.

You should really learn to shut up when you're talking out of your ass.

Feral hogs aren’t coming for our kids, but they’re definitely coming for our calves

An estimated seven million such pigs are spread across 35 states, where the omnivorous swine tear up soil and habitats looking for something—anything—to eat.

www.popsci.com

But hogs don’t just carelessly harm other animals on their way to find a vegetarian meal; they’re known to prey on calves and lamb for food. South Carolina is home to a steadily growing population of between 130,000 and 140,000 wild hogs that cause $263,000 dollars in livestock damage throughout the state, according to the study. In Texas a whopping 2 million feral pigs go after a variety of animals, though officials say it’s hard to detect such crimes “because hogs often eat the entire animal, leaving little or no evidence.”

 

[Rigby5]

You're fabricating bullshit. There is no unanimity in the Republican party as to abortion law.

Abortion was always a state issue, Overturning Roe simply returns it to it's proper status.

Each state will determine it's abortion laws in accordance with the desires of their population.

Abortion laws that seriously are in conflict with the "Will of the People" will result in wholesale changes at the ballot box in the next election.

Roe imposed the will of nine judges on the entire country with no constitutional justification for doing so.

Wrong.
Abortion does not harm the state so the state has zero jurisdiction.
Abortion is about personal individual rights, so is ONLY a 14th amendment issue, and no one else has any standing.
Nor are individual rights EVER supposed to up for majority rule.

The constitutional justification for Roe Vs Wade comes from the 14th amendment obviously.
But the vast majority also support legalized abortion.
Those opposing abortion rights will fail.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

The time period when humans became predators was ONLY AFTER we invented tools, so is very recent.
Only about 100,000 years.
Evolution changes nothing significant in such a short time period.
Very rarely do any primates ever kill anything.
They are all essentially prey, not predators.

Using tools is irrelevant.
The point is we were no good at hunting until we learned how to make blades, arrows, knives, etc.
That is very recent.
Less than 100,000 years.

You continue talking out off your ass.

Humans were killing animals with their bare hands, bones, antlers, rocks, and sticks before forming their first actual tools.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Wrong.
Abortion does not harm the state so the state has zero jurisdiction.
Abortion is about personal individual rights, so is ONLY a 14th amendment issue, and no one else has any standing.
Nor are individual rights EVER supposed to up for majority rule.

The constitutional justification for Roe Vs Wade comes from the 14th amendment obviously.
But the vast majority also support legalized abortion.
Those opposing abortion rights will fail.

You continue fabricating bullshit, murdering your three year old doesn't harm the state either.

Roe fabricated a definition of personhood and privacy that exists nowhere in our constitution.

 

[Rigby5]

You should really stop fabricating bullshit. Pigs are very much predatory and are known to kill prey regularly. Like bears they are absolute omnivores who will eat just about anything they can get in their mouths.

Feral pigs are well known for killing livestock and dogs and eating them afterwards as well as snakes and vermin such as rats and mice.

Their eyes however are not in the front of their face/head, they are on the sides giving them about a 280 degree field of view.

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You should really learn to shut up when you're talking out of your ass.

Feral hogs aren’t coming for our kids, but they’re definitely coming for our calves

An estimated seven million such pigs are spread across 35 states, where the omnivorous swine tear up soil and habitats looking for something—anything—to eat.

www.popsci.com

Wrong.
Pigs are not predators at all.
They do not kill and eat cattle.
They are not even capable of reaching high enough to be able to do that.
And no predators would ever be suitable for domesticated farm animals.

And eyes have nothing to do with anything about prey or predator.
Most predators also have their eyes on the sides for a wider field of vision.
And all monkeys have their eyes in front, even though not predators.

Omnivores are opportunists, not predators, or else they would be called predators.

 

[Rigby5]

You continue talking out off your ass.

Humans were killing animals with their bare hands, bones, antlers, rocks, and sticks before forming their first actual tools.

Not very successfully.
Humans are not fast enough to hunt without weapons we recently invented, like nets, bow/arrows, spears, traps, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

You continue fabricating bullshit, murdering your three year old doesn't harm the state either.

Roe fabricated a definition of personhood and privacy that exists nowhere in our constitution.

Wrong.
Humans have instincts against harming children.
So murdering a 3 year old does greatly harm the state.

You have it backwards. A fetus is not a person and claiming it is, is the "fabricated a definition of personhood".
Privacy pre-exists the Constitution.
The Constitution contains no individual rights at all until the 14th amendment.
Before then it was only to limit federal jurisdiction, and that was all.
Only after the 14th amendment did the constitution defend individual rights.
And privacy is obviously one of the most significant of all individual rights.
For example, the significance of rape is how it violates privacy.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

So is a removed tonsil, but it doesn't make it a person.



Or she can just have children when she's ready. That works, too.



Then you should be happy she's having an abortion.



I realize that's your religious belief... but not practical in the real world.

You keep making the most ridiculous arguments, even a child makes more senses.

A finger is an appendage it's not a human.

If a woman doesn't want kids the time to choose is before she gets pregnant. Once she's pregnant there's another life to consider and protect.

Rights that are not specifically enumerated are always up to majority rule, that's how it works in a constitutional republic.

Religion is irrelevant to this discussion, conception creates a human being and by definition they are the most innocent of all of us.

One has to be sick to their very soul not to recognize that and seek to protect that life.

There are circumstances that justify abortion but they are very limited, the time of "abortion on demand" is over and has been for quite some time, the only argument is over how stringent we want protections for the unborn to be.

You are the one on the wrong side of history and in your heart you probably know it hence all the ridiculous justifications and arguments you make.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Not very successfully.
Humans are not fast enough to hunt without weapons we recently invented, like nets, bow/arrows, spears, traps, etc.

You continue blowing smoke out of your ass. They were successful enough to survive or humanity would have ended a million years ago or more.

Homo Habilis was making tools over 2 million years ago chipping and flaking stones to butcher animals they'd killed with their hands and other crude implements like sticks and thrown stones.

You're free to keep making an ass of yourself if you like but I will happily keep feeding it to you.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Humans have instincts against harming children.
So murdering a 3 year old does greatly harm the state.

You're fabricating bullshit, the death of a 3 yo by any means has no impact on The State.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Wrong.
Humans have instincts against harming children.
So murdering a 3 year old does greatly harm the state.

You have it backwards. A fetus is not a person and claiming it is, is the "fabricated a definition of personhood".
Privacy pre-exists the Constitution.
The Constitution contains no individual rights at all until the 14th amendment.
Before then it was only to limit federal jurisdiction, and that was all.
Only after the 14th amendment did the constitution defend individual rights.
And privacy is obviously one of the most significant of all individual rights.
For example, the significance of rape is how it violates privacy.

The bill of rights specifically protected our basic rights.

Every state constitution approved for the 13 colonies included a declaration of protected rights similar to the BOR.

Personhood is a creation of the courts, a "person" is whatever we decide it is by law within the limits of The Constitution.

For an idiot you sure do run off at the mouth a lot.

 

[Rigby5]

Rights that are not specifically enumerated are always up to majority rule, that's how it works in a constitutional republic.

I would argue everything you wrote, but this is just absolutely and extremely WRONG!
Right are NOT specifically enumerated at all.
The only intent of the Bill of Rights was just to limit the federal government, and nothing else.
The Constitution does not enumerate rights.
Rights are infinite so can never be enumerated.

And rights are NEVER supposed to at all be "up to majority rule".
That is exactly how you get a minority enslaved by a majority.
The whole point of a constitutional republic is that the judiciary is supposed to employ blind justice to prevent abuses by the majority over any minority or even a single person.

 

[Rigby5]

You continue blowing smoke out of your ass. They were successful enough to survive or humanity would have ended a million years ago or more.

Homo Habilis was making tools over 2 million years ago chipping and flaking stones to butcher animals they'd killed with their hands and other crude implements like sticks and thrown stones.

You're free to keep making an ass of yourself if you like but I will happily keep feeding it to you.

Wrong.
No one said humans were not successful enough to survive.
The point I was making is that humans were not hunters but prey, who came down from the trees for some reason.
The point is humans were not able to be successful enough at hunting to survive as hunters until only about 100,000 years ago.
So from evolution, we are NOT primarily hunters.
Sure humans did SOME hunting as far back as 2 million years ago, but they were NOT primarily hunters then.
And in fact, most humans have never been primarily hunters. About the only exceptions are in very cold climates, like the Inuit.

 

[Rigby5]

You're fabricating bullshit, the death of a 3 yo by any means has no impact on The State.

Wrong.
The instincts of a herd animal like humans is to protect women and children first.
That works.
So just as murder is a violation of rights of one person by another, the murder of children also violates the basic principles of the herd survival.

 

[Rigby5]

The bill of rights specifically protected our basic rights.

Every state constitution approved for the 13 colonies included a declaration of protected rights similar to the BOR.

Personhood is a creation of the courts, a "person" is whatever we decide it is by law within the limits of The Constitution.

For an idiot you sure do run off at the mouth a lot.

The Bill of Rights does NOT protect any rights at all.
If it did, then slavery would have been abolished by it.
The only intent of the Bill of Rights was to limit the federal government.

Look at the first amendment as an example.
{...
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
...}
Clearly that does NOT protect any individual rights.
It only limits the federal government.
And in fact, at the time of the US Constitution being written and approved, there were states with their own religion, like Pennsylvania and Connecticut.

Personhood is irrelevant. The point is you can NOT enslave a woman over a fetus.
No one has standing to override the woman's rights.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I would argue everything you wrote, but this is just absolutely and extremely WRONG!
Right are NOT specifically enumerated at all.
The only intent of the Bill of Rights was just to limit the federal government, and nothing else.
The Constitution does not enumerate rights.
Rights are infinite so can never be enumerated.

And rights are NEVER supposed to at all be "up to majority rule".
That is exactly how you get a minority enslaved by a majority.
The whole point of a constitutional republic is that the judiciary is supposed to employ blind justice to prevent abuses by the majority over any minority or even a single person.

You continue fabricating bullshit denying the entire history of our nation and the enlightenment in which the concept of rights first emerged.

The BOR specifically lists out our most basic rights and protects them from the federal gov't and every state constitution since the original 13 has included a similar declaration of rights.

Prior to the enlightenment your rights were whatever the king or queen dictated.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Wrong.
No one said humans were not successful enough to survive.
The point I was making is that humans were not hunters but prey, who came down from the trees for some reason.
The point is humans were not able to be successful enough at hunting to survive as hunters until only about 100,000 years ago.
So from evolution, we are NOT primarily hunters.
Sure humans did SOME hunting as far back as 2 million years ago, but they were NOT primarily hunters then.
And in fact, most humans have never been primarily hunters. About the only exceptions are in very cold climates, like the Inuit.

You have no basis at all for your claims, you're just fabricating bullshit.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Wrong.
The instincts of a herd animal like humans is to protect women and children first.
That works.
So just as murder is a violation of rights of one person by another, the murder of children also violates the basic principles of the herd survival.

The State is not "the herd".

You have no clue what you are saying.