The Tide Is Turning...

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Ted Cruz an AIPAC suppliant, who would sell his soul for the limelight of power was booed off the stage when selling the AIPAC line...

All people including Christians have seen how un-Christian the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Gaza was.

Take note Israel, because everyone on planet earth has...



Ted Cruz booed off stage while defending Israel
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) abruptly walked off stage at an event organized by a pro-Christian organization in Washington, D.C., Wednesday night after the crowd turned on him for vociferously defending Israel.
Delivering the keynote at an event hosted by the group In Defense of Christians, which raises awareness for persecuted Christians and other religious minorities in the Middle East, Cruz said that, "Christians have no greater ally than Israel." That's when the crowd began to boo, according to The Daily Caller.
He also lumped Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, and al Qaeda together, saying they "are all engaged in a vicious genocidal campaign to destroy religious minorities in the Middle East."
"Those who hate Israel hate America," he added, prompting more boos and heckling.
As the crowd continued to shout, Cruz said, "If you will not stand with Israel and the Jews, then I will not stand with you," and then left the stage. --Jon Terbush
 

AIPAC deploys its Senate 5th column for Israel Veterans Today

US Senator Ted Cruz says Obama using FAA in ‘economic boycott of Israel’

Top Daily Story … Press TV, Tehran
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Is Ted Cruz an espionage asset for Israel?
[ Editor's note: The militant Zionists have a long record of trotting out "security concerns" for any particular nasty thing they want to do to the Palestinians. But of course in true supremacist fashion, they don't feel the same tactic is kosher to be used on them. Such a thing would be... "anti-semetic”.
So when we heard of the airline flights to Israel being stopped by the FAA "for security concerns" after they had been flying in for days with the rockets flying, we smelled a signal being sent. The killing in Gaza had gotten out of hand, Kerry was in town, and Obama was not interested in the usual Bibi song and dance routine that Zios were trying to prevent their being driven into the sea by Hamas.
AIPAC waited a day, until the FAA announced their renewing of the flight ban, and then they deployed what they felt was their trump card... Ted Cruz, a highly visible Republican presidential candidate (in the wings) to put on the display that they have many in Congress who will do their bidding at the flick of a switch.

Many in the Intel community, especially the old timers who have watched it for decades, consider this treason, which is why Congressional people are used as they have extensive, (but not complete) immunity for such activity as shilling for AIPAC. This also crosses over the river into providing top secret material to Israel, for which it shows a lot of gratitude in a wide variety of ways.
And this is even done by committee chairmen because they have the highest security clearances. They can just ask to have top secret stuff sent over to them, and then provide a copy to their AIPAC handlers over coffee at week later.
So no, I was not hyping the treason angle above. Not a single one of them has ever been prosecuted, as that would be a huge scandal which would expose how long it has been going on, an even bigger scandal. That's how bad it is folks...really... Jim W. Dean ]

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Ted Cruz an AIPAC suppliant, who would sell his soul for the limelight of power was booed off the stage when selling the AIPAC line...

All people including Christians have seen how un-Christian the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Gaza was.

Take note Israel, because everyone on planet earth has...



Ted Cruz booed off stage while defending Israel
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) abruptly walked off stage at an event organized by a pro-Christian organization in Washington, D.C., Wednesday night after the crowd turned on him for vociferously defending Israel.
Delivering the keynote at an event hosted by the group In Defense of Christians, which raises awareness for persecuted Christians and other religious minorities in the Middle East, Cruz said that, "Christians have no greater ally than Israel." That's when the crowd began to boo, according to The Daily Caller.
He also lumped Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, and al Qaeda together, saying they "are all engaged in a vicious genocidal campaign to destroy religious minorities in the Middle East."
"Those who hate Israel hate America," he added, prompting more boos and heckling.
As the crowd continued to shout, Cruz said, "If you will not stand with Israel and the Jews, then I will not stand with you," and then left the stage. --Jon Terbush

Yes, the tide is indeed turning . . . thank you for this post. ~ Susan
PS Here's a fun read on Israeli suck-up, Ted Cruz Ted Cruz The Distinguished Wacko Bird from Texas
 
It's it my anecdotal experience is that once Christians realize that the European Jews did more harm to the Christian population of Palestine than the Muslim one, in terms of per-capita wealth and land stolen, they turn against Israel.
 
Let all of us Americans join together in support of AIPAC. As long as we have AIPAC there will never be sharia law in the USA.
 
montelatici, et al,

So your point is that the root cause of the conflict is based on religious outcomes?

It's it my anecdotal experience is that once Christians realize that the European Jews did more harm to the Christian population of Palestine than the Muslim one, in terms of per-capita wealth and land stolen, they turn against Israel.
(COMMENT)

So the measurement of Harm to Christians (what harm was caused by Jews versus what harm would have been caused by Muslims) is a basis for sovereignty. I don't buy that.


If one examines the top 10 countries that are known for religious persecution, you'll find that 7 of the 10 are countries where Muslims persecute Christians. The Jewish religious affiliation did not harm the indigenous Christians ---- or the Muslims for that matter ---- in terms of wealth and land. It was something else; not just one reason, but a summation of many reasons.

Personally, I don't believe the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is religious based; that is to say that the moral belief structure has an overriding influence on the reasoning behind the struggle. With most Muslim Cultures is about power and influence over people and territory.

The initial reference frames and catalyst for the conflict rests with the post-World War I sequence of events --- and the League of Nations decision to establish a Class "A" Mandate over the territories that came under the control of the Allied Powers. While the Mandates were suppose to be temporal in nature, and a process by which various territories would eventually receive autonomy and independence (and eventually became true for Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait and Jordan --- success to about 90%) there was a secondary agenda of establishing a Jewish National Homeland for the protection and preservation of the Jewish People as a culture. As it evolved, the Arab Population rejected the Jewish Immigration politically, economically and culturally; giving rise to an anti-Jewish social establishment; but, not based on religious grounds. The Jewish immigration, largely from Europe, brought with them the knowledge, skills and abilities acquired from their previous homelands (Central Europe) that were Eastern based and the produce of an advanced scientific and industrial civilization; very different from the Arab Culture to which they were transplanting. And the arrival of these new KSA's (concentrated in the Jewish Immigrant Communities) gave rise to a difference socially, politically, economically and commercially.

The Arab Palestinians are a culture of people that are not very industrious. In the last half century, one can do a comparative analysis of the Jewish State to the Arab State and just see (prima facia evidence through direct observation) that the Arabs (whether refugee or not) did little in comparison to the Israelis, in the furtherance of their culture or infrastructure that would advance their nation in terms of wealth and prosperity.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Let all of us Americans join together in support of AIPAC. As long as we have AIPAC there will never be sharia law in the USA.
montelatici, et al,

So your point is that the root cause of the conflict is based on religious outcomes?

It's it my anecdotal experience is that once Christians realize that the European Jews did more harm to the Christian population of Palestine than the Muslim one, in terms of per-capita wealth and land stolen, they turn against Israel.
(COMMENT)

So the measurement of Harm to Christians (what harm was caused by Jews versus what harm would have been caused by Muslims) is a basis for sovereignty. I don't buy that.


If one examines the top 10 countries that are known for religious persecution, you'll find that 7 of the 10 are countries where Muslims persecute Christians. The Jewish religious affiliation did not harm the indigenous Christians ---- or the Muslims for that matter ---- in terms of wealth and land. It was something else; not just one reason, but a summation of many reasons.

Personally, I don't believe the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is religious based; that is to say that the moral belief structure has an overriding influence on the reasoning behind the struggle. With most Muslim Cultures is about power and influence over people and territory.

The initial reference frames and catalyst for the conflict rests with the post-World War I sequence of events --- and the League of Nations decision to establish a Class "A" Mandate over the territories that came under the control of the Allied Powers. While the Mandates were suppose to be temporal in nature, and a process by which various territories would eventually receive autonomy and independence (and eventually became true for Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait and Jordan --- success to about 90%) there was a secondary agenda of establishing a Jewish National Homeland for the protection and preservation of the Jewish People as a culture. As it evolved, the Arab Population rejected the Jewish Immigration politically, economically and culturally; giving rise to an anti-Jewish social establishment; but, not based on religious grounds. The Jewish immigration, largely from Europe, brought with them the knowledge, skills and abilities acquired from their previous homelands (Central Europe) that were Eastern based and the produce of an advanced scientific and industrial civilization; very different from the Arab Culture to which they were transplanting. And the arrival of these new KSA's (concentrated in the Jewish Immigrant Communities) gave rise to a difference socially, politically, economically and commercially.

The Arab Palestinians are a culture of people that are not very industrious. In the last half century, one can do a comparative analysis of the Jewish State to the Arab State and just see (prima facia evidence through direct observation) that the Arabs (whether refugee or not) did little in comparison to the Israelis, in the furtherance of their culture or infrastructure that would advance their nation in terms of wealth and prosperity.

Most Respectfully,
R

What a crock of sh--...The Palestinians are the Most Educated people in the ME even though they live under the Israeli Boot at the point of a gun, yet parrots like you dance to this crock...

Education
Palestinians were always the most educated of the Arab peoples and they are determined to keep standards up. Many Palestinians are today running Jordan. It is wholly mistaken to think of Palestinians (or indeed Bedouins) as ‘primitive farmers’, even though they may be living in near Third World conditions. Not infrequently Palestinians have doctorates.
 
pbel, et al,

I think you will find (read it slowly) that I did not question "education." I mentioned "knowledge, skills and abilities" and said: "The Arab Palestinians are a culture of people that are not very industrious.

Adjective:
working energetically and devotedly; hard-working; diligent: an industrious person.
What a crock of sh--...The Palestinians are the Most Educated people in the ME even though they live under the Israeli Boot at the point of a gun, yet parrots like you dance to this crock...

Education
Palestinians were always the most educated of the Arab peoples and they are determined to keep standards up. Many Palestinians are today running Jordan. It is wholly mistaken to think of Palestinians (or indeed Bedouins) as ‘primitive farmers’, even though they may be living in near Third World conditions. Not infrequently Palestinians have doctorates.
(COMMENT)

Nor did I imply that they were "primitive" in any way (unaffected or little affected by civilizing influences; uncivilized; savage); although I have been taking to task on many occasion for giving them too much credit.

While you may include Jordanians as part of the Arab-Palestinian Culture, I tend to see them as assimilated into a newer culture. And yes, the Jordanians have much to be proud of in their Kingdom. But they are so very different from the people of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, as to be something all together different.

Yasser Arafat was a "Civil Engineer" --- yet did not build anything of note in his lifetime. Mahmoud Abbas has a law degree, but has not been able to build a peace. And Ismail Haniyeh has a degree in Arabic literature. What I thought was really interesting was that Khaled Meshal has a degree in Physics (wow), and grew-up to be a terrorist leader. Education means nothing if you cannot apply it.

BTW, just as a means of comparison (not association), Osama bin Laden had two degrees; one in Public Administration and a Civil Engineering Degree.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Israel isn't our or anybody else allie. This is obvious to any with eyes. They have and will continue to attack us with impunity. They are a deceitful warrior bunch and should be respected. They want us to fulfill their book and we are quickly approaching it's end. shall we see who wins? we have to think how to get out of their ending and book entirely.
 
I don't hate jews.

Good.

i hate bowing to any people trying to make me their footstools because their God told them they are to conquer the world and make all others their footstools.

I trust you are aware its not a religion that does that, but a political movement. That movement is called Zionism.
Many Jews are not Zionists. Even are Anti-Zionists. Many Christians are Zionists. Are you aware that it is not the Judaism that is the problem, that it is Zionism's trick to make people believe that?

this is the same creed hitler used to justify his murderous ways

Zionism and Hitler's ideology share many common points.

and God sent him to deliver that message to the jews, but you and they all missed the point and went in and killed palestinians to save the jews? lol. last test on same old lesson coming up soon. better get it right this time.

I think you will find that those Hitler killed were not guilty of anything and not deserving of wrath, of God nor man. Not, anyhow to the extent that it was visited on them. Any God which sends messages in this way should be fired.

However, I agree that the consequence of Zionism adopting the practices of Germany and of colonialism is a historical mistake, and a sin against Palestinians. No question on that.

hypocrites

Yes. We all are to some extent, but none more so that Israeli and US Zionists.
 
pbel, et al,

I think you will find (read it slowly) that I did not question "education." I mentioned "knowledge, skills and abilities" and said: "The Arab Palestinians are a culture of people that are not very industrious.

Adjective:
working energetically and devotedly; hard-working; diligent: an industrious person.
What a crock of sh--...The Palestinians are the Most Educated people in the ME even though they live under the Israeli Boot at the point of a gun, yet parrots like you dance to this crock...

Education
Palestinians were always the most educated of the Arab peoples and they are determined to keep standards up. Many Palestinians are today running Jordan. It is wholly mistaken to think of Palestinians (or indeed Bedouins) as ‘primitive farmers’, even though they may be living in near Third World conditions. Not infrequently Palestinians have doctorates.
(COMMENT)

Nor did I imply that they were "primitive" in any way (unaffected or little affected by civilizing influences; uncivilized; savage); although I have been taking to task on many occasion for giving them too much credit.

While you may include Jordanians as part of the Arab-Palestinian Culture, I tend to see them as assimilated into a newer culture. And yes, the Jordanians have much to be proud of in their Kingdom. But they are so very different from the people of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, as to be something all together different.

Yasser Arafat was a "Civil Engineer" --- yet did not build anything of note in his lifetime. Mahmoud Abbas has a law degree, but has not been able to build a peace. And Ismail Haniyeh has a degree in Arabic literature. What I thought was really interesting was that Khaled Meshal has a degree in Physics (wow), and grew-up to be a terrorist leader. Education means nothing if you cannot apply it.

BTW, just as a means of comparison (not association), Osama bin Laden had two degrees; one in Public Administration and a Civil Engineering Degree.

Most Respectfully,
R


Like I said a Crock!

Comment:

Abbas has a PhD...and Arafat built the PLO!
 
Let all of us Americans join together in support of AIPAC. As long as we have AIPAC there will never be sharia law in the USA.
montelatici, et al,

So your point is that the root cause of the conflict is based on religious outcomes?

It's it my anecdotal experience is that once Christians realize that the European Jews did more harm to the Christian population of Palestine than the Muslim one, in terms of per-capita wealth and land stolen, they turn against Israel.
(COMMENT)

So the measurement of Harm to Christians (what harm was caused by Jews versus what harm would have been caused by Muslims) is a basis for sovereignty. I don't buy that.


If one examines the top 10 countries that are known for religious persecution, you'll find that 7 of the 10 are countries where Muslims persecute Christians. The Jewish religious affiliation did not harm the indigenous Christians ---- or the Muslims for that matter ---- in terms of wealth and land. It was something else; not just one reason, but a summation of many reasons.

Personally, I don't believe the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is religious based; that is to say that the moral belief structure has an overriding influence on the reasoning behind the struggle. With most Muslim Cultures is about power and influence over people and territory.

The initial reference frames and catalyst for the conflict rests with the post-World War I sequence of events --- and the League of Nations decision to establish a Class "A" Mandate over the territories that came under the control of the Allied Powers. While the Mandates were suppose to be temporal in nature, and a process by which various territories would eventually receive autonomy and independence (and eventually became true for Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait and Jordan --- success to about 90%) there was a secondary agenda of establishing a Jewish National Homeland for the protection and preservation of the Jewish People as a culture. As it evolved, the Arab Population rejected the Jewish Immigration politically, economically and culturally; giving rise to an anti-Jewish social establishment; but, not based on religious grounds. The Jewish immigration, largely from Europe, brought with them the knowledge, skills and abilities acquired from their previous homelands (Central Europe) that were Eastern based and the produce of an advanced scientific and industrial civilization; very different from the Arab Culture to which they were transplanting. And the arrival of these new KSA's (concentrated in the Jewish Immigrant Communities) gave rise to a difference socially, politically, economically and commercially.

The Arab Palestinians are a culture of people that are not very industrious. In the last half century, one can do a comparative analysis of the Jewish State to the Arab State and just see (prima facia evidence through direct observation) that the Arabs (whether refugee or not) did little in comparison to the Israelis, in the furtherance of their culture or infrastructure that would advance their nation in terms of wealth and prosperity.

Most Respectfully,
R

What a crock of sh--...The Palestinians are the Most Educated people in the ME even though they live under the Israeli Boot at the point of a gun, yet parrots like you dance to this crock...

Education
Palestinians were always the most educated of the Arab peoples and they are determined to keep standards up. Many Palestinians are today running Jordan. It is wholly mistaken to think of Palestinians (or indeed Bedouins) as ‘primitive farmers’, even though they may be living in near Third World conditions. Not infrequently Palestinians have doctorates.




"What a crock of shit-- The Palestinians are the Most Educated people in the ME...."

...oh, this is a GEM.





who are you kidding ?


 
montelatici, et al,

So your point is that the root cause of the conflict is based on religious outcomes?

It's it my anecdotal experience is that once Christians realize that the European Jews did more harm to the Christian population of Palestine than the Muslim one, in terms of per-capita wealth and land stolen, they turn against Israel.
(COMMENT)

So the measurement of Harm to Christians (what harm was caused by Jews versus what harm would have been caused by Muslims) is a basis for sovereignty. I don't buy that.


If one examines the top 10 countries that are known for religious persecution, you'll find that 7 of the 10 are countries where Muslims persecute Christians. The Jewish religious affiliation did not harm the indigenous Christians ---- or the Muslims for that matter ---- in terms of wealth and land. It was something else; not just one reason, but a summation of many reasons.

Personally, I don't believe the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is religious based; that is to say that the moral belief structure has an overriding influence on the reasoning behind the struggle. With most Muslim Cultures is about power and influence over people and territory.

The initial reference frames and catalyst for the conflict rests with the post-World War I sequence of events --- and the League of Nations decision to establish a Class "A" Mandate over the territories that came under the control of the Allied Powers. While the Mandates were suppose to be temporal in nature, and a process by which various territories would eventually receive autonomy and independence (and eventually became true for Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait and Jordan --- success to about 90%) there was a secondary agenda of establishing a Jewish National Homeland for the protection and preservation of the Jewish People as a culture. As it evolved, the Arab Population rejected the Jewish Immigration politically, economically and culturally; giving rise to an anti-Jewish social establishment; but, not based on religious grounds. The Jewish immigration, largely from Europe, brought with them the knowledge, skills and abilities acquired from their previous homelands (Central Europe) that were Eastern based and the produce of an advanced scientific and industrial civilization; very different from the Arab Culture to which they were transplanting. And the arrival of these new KSA's (concentrated in the Jewish Immigrant Communities) gave rise to a difference socially, politically, economically and commercially.

The Arab Palestinians are a culture of people that are not very industrious. In the last half century, one can do a comparative analysis of the Jewish State to the Arab State and just see (prima facia evidence through direct observation) that the Arabs (whether refugee or not) did little in comparison to the Israelis, in the furtherance of their culture or infrastructure that would advance their nation in terms of wealth and prosperity.

Most Respectfully,
R

You really cannot compare Israel to Palestine. Israel would have never come into existence without foreign money and power. Israel has always, and still does, exist on foreign money and power. It is no surprise, or any great feat, that Israel is a prosperous country.

Palestine, on the other hand, has mostly had to depend on its own resources. Its development has regularly been followed by Israel's bombs and bulldozers.
 
Let all of us Americans join together in support of AIPAC. As long as we have AIPAC there will never be sharia law in the USA.
montelatici, et al,

So your point is that the root cause of the conflict is based on religious outcomes?

It's it my anecdotal experience is that once Christians realize that the European Jews did more harm to the Christian population of Palestine than the Muslim one, in terms of per-capita wealth and land stolen, they turn against Israel.
(COMMENT)

So the measurement of Harm to Christians (what harm was caused by Jews versus what harm would have been caused by Muslims) is a basis for sovereignty. I don't buy that.


If one examines the top 10 countries that are known for religious persecution, you'll find that 7 of the 10 are countries where Muslims persecute Christians. The Jewish religious affiliation did not harm the indigenous Christians ---- or the Muslims for that matter ---- in terms of wealth and land. It was something else; not just one reason, but a summation of many reasons.

Personally, I don't believe the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is religious based; that is to say that the moral belief structure has an overriding influence on the reasoning behind the struggle. With most Muslim Cultures is about power and influence over people and territory.

The initial reference frames and catalyst for the conflict rests with the post-World War I sequence of events --- and the League of Nations decision to establish a Class "A" Mandate over the territories that came under the control of the Allied Powers. While the Mandates were suppose to be temporal in nature, and a process by which various territories would eventually receive autonomy and independence (and eventually became true for Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait and Jordan --- success to about 90%) there was a secondary agenda of establishing a Jewish National Homeland for the protection and preservation of the Jewish People as a culture. As it evolved, the Arab Population rejected the Jewish Immigration politically, economically and culturally; giving rise to an anti-Jewish social establishment; but, not based on religious grounds. The Jewish immigration, largely from Europe, brought with them the knowledge, skills and abilities acquired from their previous homelands (Central Europe) that were Eastern based and the produce of an advanced scientific and industrial civilization; very different from the Arab Culture to which they were transplanting. And the arrival of these new KSA's (concentrated in the Jewish Immigrant Communities) gave rise to a difference socially, politically, economically and commercially.

The Arab Palestinians are a culture of people that are not very industrious. In the last half century, one can do a comparative analysis of the Jewish State to the Arab State and just see (prima facia evidence through direct observation) that the Arabs (whether refugee or not) did little in comparison to the Israelis, in the furtherance of their culture or infrastructure that would advance their nation in terms of wealth and prosperity.

Most Respectfully,
R

What a crock of sh--...The Palestinians are the Most Educated people in the ME even though they live under the Israeli Boot at the point of a gun, yet parrots like you dance to this crock...

Education
Palestinians were always the most educated of the Arab peoples and they are determined to keep standards up. Many Palestinians are today running Jordan. It is wholly mistaken to think of Palestinians (or indeed Bedouins) as ‘primitive farmers’, even though they may be living in near Third World conditions. Not infrequently Palestinians have doctorates.





They can have diplomas' stacked up in every room it does not make them industrious. Ask any employer what job he would give a Palestinian with his many diplomas and they would reply NONE. No industrialised nation will take a Palestinian on as they have no experience of the work involved, they are purely academics with no practical experience. On top of this their academic achievements are ignored by the rest of the world as being useless because they are not hard enough, and many with doctorates from Palestine struggle to get year one achievements outside of Palestine. They are not even good enough to be toilet cleaners outside of Palestine. If they were so good they would have invented the ultimate doomsday weapon and used it against Israel, instead they still use 60 year old technology
 
I don't hate jews. i hate bowing to any people trying to make me their footstools because their God told them they are to conquer the world and make all others their footstools. this is the same creed hitler used to justify his murderous ways and God sent him to deliver that message to the jews, but you and they all missed the point and went in and killed palestinians to save the jews? lol. last test on same old lesson coming up soon. better get it right this time. hypocrites




So you hate the muslims who do just this

What did you say @Phoenall ?

Did you say anything interesting?

Was there any content in your post?

Unlikely, there is never anything very interesting in your posts!

What you will find in the real world is a downturn in support of Israel. Throughout the world, public opinion is turning against Israel and it's leadership, including Israel's sponsor, the good old US of A.

Israel is a ticking time bomb waiting to implode!

Only when Israel has a little humility will Israel actually become a proper 'state'.

Until then, well, watch opinion polls running against Israel.

Antisemitic? Nah... Just antizionist politics!

There is a difference so please don't make yourself look stupid by throwing that on into the mix!!!
 

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