The stimulus worked

You do realise that it has created jobs right?

The bleeding of jobs was created by the last fiasco of a president.

Do you remember all the blaming of Clinton by the right for the mild recession that started while Clinton was still in office?

You see the right does this shit all the time.

Recessions are normal, the regulation put in place after the GD helped mitigate their effects and we had a realitively stable economy with mild recessions and booms for decades after that, THEN Glass Steagal was killed after years of the right tryoing to get it done. Clinton like an asshole thought he could fsign it and let the Rs face the effects later and have Gore fix it when he was elected. Bush stole the election and then NEVER fixed the negative effects on the economy that the regulation gap left. We ened up with a new great depression that TARP held back for the momment. Then Obama did the stimulus and kept it from freefalling. You people will pretend that stimulus did not work even though all the economic biggys agree that it stemed the tide.


Things are going to take years to find a new normal. This is not Obamas fault it is the people who allowed this to steamroll along while many people warned it was building.

You dont crash the car and then blame the mechanic for not fixing the engine, body and frame in less time than it took you to crash the car.

It's not Obamas Fault? let me guess.. it's Bush's fault?

Can I tell ya something? Both of them have the blame.


You are an idiot, When a country is in a recession what you are suppose to do is stop the spending and let the people keep the money. With that said, people will buy products, cars, you name it, and that Creats prosperity to both Small Businesses and Big Corps.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

I see it falling and holding at 10.0 As of December. hmm.
 
You do realise that it has created jobs right?

The bleeding of jobs was created by the last fiasco of a president.

Do you remember all the blaming of Clinton by the right for the mild recession that started while Clinton was still in office?

You see the right does this shit all the time.

Recessions are normal, the regulation put in place after the GD helped mitigate their effects and we had a realitively stable economy with mild recessions and booms for decades after that, THEN Glass Steagal was killed after years of the right tryoing to get it done. Clinton like an asshole thought he could fsign it and let the Rs face the effects later and have Gore fix it when he was elected. Bush stole the election and then NEVER fixed the negative effects on the economy that the regulation gap left. We ened up with a new great depression that TARP held back for the momment. Then Obama did the stimulus and kept it from freefalling. You people will pretend that stimulus did not work even though all the economic biggys agree that it stemed the tide.


Things are going to take years to find a new normal. This is not Obamas fault it is the people who allowed this to steamroll along while many people warned it was building.

You dont crash the car and then blame the mechanic for not fixing the engine, body and frame in less time than it took you to crash the car.

I knew you just wouldn't understand, truth. Clinton"s policies had the lending institutions to have more lenient lending restrictions for mortgages, was the beginning, OK?
I'm not dismissing what the right does OK? That is politics, but I do expect people to be honest when it comes to pointing fingers, and you aren't able to do that, truth.
If obama's policies are job killers, which they are with cap and trade, and this boodndoggle of healthcare, he does have his hands on the recession. Even when he was a Senator, he became part of the problem, but I digress. Even though he did inherit the recession, if his actions don't take the economy in the right direction, he is to blame also.
I don't know how this will play out. By the way, Bush did warn about the housing bubble, and no one listened

If you crash the car, and the mechanic doesn't fix the brakes, yes he is part of the problem
 
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You do realise that it has created jobs right?

The bleeding of jobs was created by the last fiasco of a president.

Do you remember all the blaming of Clinton by the right for the mild recession that started while Clinton was still in office?

You see the right does this shit all the time.

Please show me where. Effective yesterday, I am unemployed. I'd like to know where these mysterious jobs are hidden.

Immie
 
You do realise that it has created jobs right?

The bleeding of jobs was created by the last fiasco of a president.

Do you remember all the blaming of Clinton by the right for the mild recession that started while Clinton was still in office?

You see the right does this shit all the time.

Please show me where. Effective yesterday, I am unemployed. I'd like to know where these mysterious jobs are hidden.

Immie

Those mysterious jobs were created in those mysterious unknown districts.
Sorry to hear about the job situation, Immie.
 
You do realise that it has created jobs right?

The bleeding of jobs was created by the last fiasco of a president.

Do you remember all the blaming of Clinton by the right for the mild recession that started while Clinton was still in office?

You see the right does this shit all the time.

Please show me where. Effective yesterday, I am unemployed. I'd like to know where these mysterious jobs are hidden.

Immie

Those mysterious jobs were created in those mysterious unknown districts.
Sorry to hear about the job situation, Immie.

Got a map to those mysterious districts? Preferably one in which it doesn't snow!

Immie
 
You do realise that it has created jobs right?

The bleeding of jobs was created by the last fiasco of a president.

Do you remember all the blaming of Clinton by the right for the mild recession that started while Clinton was still in office?

You see the right does this shit all the time.

Recessions are normal, the regulation put in place after the GD helped mitigate their effects and we had a realitively stable economy with mild recessions and booms for decades after that, THEN Glass Steagal was killed after years of the right tryoing to get it done. Clinton like an asshole thought he could fsign it and let the Rs face the effects later and have Gore fix it when he was elected. Bush stole the election and then NEVER fixed the negative effects on the economy that the regulation gap left. We ened up with a new great depression that TARP held back for the momment. Then Obama did the stimulus and kept it from freefalling. You people will pretend that stimulus did not work even though all the economic biggys agree that it stemed the tide.


Things are going to take years to find a new normal. This is not Obamas fault it is the people who allowed this to steamroll along while many people warned it was building.

You dont crash the car and then blame the mechanic for not fixing the engine, body and frame in less time than it took you to crash the car.

I knew you just wouldn't understand, truth. Clinton"s policies had the lending institutions to have more lenient lending restrictions for mortgages, was the beginning, OK?
I'm not dismissing what the right does OK? That is politics, but I do expect people to be honest when it comes to pointing fingers, and you aren't able to do that, truth.
If obama's policies are job killers, which they are with cap and trade, and this boodndoggle of healthcare, he does have his hands on the recession. Even when he was a Senator, he became part of the problem, but I digress. Even though he did inherit the recession, if his actions don't take the economy in the right direction, he is to blame also.
I don't know how this will play out.

If you crash the car, and the mechanic doesn't fix the brakes, yes he is part of the problem

Guess who didnt fix the brakes for ten years while the protections of glass steagal were gone.

Its you who dont "GET IT".

Yes there were policies to force banks to give loans to people with certain risks. Note the word force. They were not liking it because it presented more risk and a smaller chance of profit. Then glass steagal was killed and the banks were able to buy into several sectors of the finacial industry which in the past were seperated to protect us from what happened in the GD. With these restrictions gone they found a sleazy way to profit on the shitty loans by packaging them off with other loans to hide the risk. THEY THEN SOLD THEM OFF. They no longer bared the risk of the shitty loans they sold to the little guy. The little guy was told housing would jsut keep going up forever and they believed it. The little guy was told to buy the house he cant afford and then sell it for a profit in a couple of years and use that money to buy a house you could afford with a traditional loan. This actually worked for peopel who were in early on the game. Like any ponzi scheme it was the late comers to the game who got bilked. Another way people got bilked is they were told by the financial experts that housing would keep going up forever so they could take money out of their homes equity and buy that HUGE status symbol SUV they always wanted. Remember all the "Its patriotic to shop and buy" bullshit you heard from Bush?

I know how this will play out. The Dems will jcontinue to fix the mess , you will continue to blame them for everything and pretend nothing is working. Then things will get better and the republicans will find some new crazy pack of lies that you will swallow and then you will gain enough ground to talk the American people into letting you in office again and the cycle will repete.

The only thing that will be different this time is the corps will be free to POUR money into the system until they can have us right back in the situation we were before the GD and we will have these booms and busts every other year until the country get so mad we become a third world country the turns to socialism in a revolt against capitalism and its abuses when it is unfettered.

I am a capitalist and dont want this to happen.
 
I know how this will play out. The Dems will jcontinue to fix the mess , you will continue to blame them for everything and pretend nothing is working. Then things will get better and the republicans will find some new crazy pack of lies that you will swallow and then you will gain enough ground to talk the American people into letting you in office again and the cycle will repete.

You mean those Democrats in Congress?

Oh yes, they sure know how to fix this economy. :)


Democrats aren't doing shit to help the economy, you're just taking in all the lies of the media.

Because the way you talk sure makes the Democrats sound like the best thing that ever happened, and how they will fix this..

If they knew how to fix this why didn't they do that back in 08? or 09? or '10? Hmm. Exactly.
 
You do realise that it has created jobs right?

The bleeding of jobs was created by the last fiasco of a president.

Do you remember all the blaming of Clinton by the right for the mild recession that started while Clinton was still in office?

You see the right does this shit all the time.

Please show me where. Effective yesterday, I am unemployed. I'd like to know where these mysterious jobs are hidden.

Immie


Oh my God Immie, I so sorry to hear that.

How the hell did they end up letting you go ,you have been teaching for years now right?
 
I know how this will play out. The Dems will jcontinue to fix the mess , you will continue to blame them for everything and pretend nothing is working. Then things will get better and the republicans will find some new crazy pack of lies that you will swallow and then you will gain enough ground to talk the American people into letting you in office again and the cycle will repete.

You mean those Democrats in Congress?

Oh yes, they sure know how to fix this economy. :)


Democrats aren't doing shit to help the economy, you're just taking in all the lies of the media.

Because the way you talk sure makes the Democrats sound like the best thing that ever happened, and how they will fix this..

If they knew how to fix this why didn't they do that back in 08? or 09? or '10? Hmm. Exactly.

All the republicans had to do was properly regulate the industry. The effects of the removal of glass steagal were being seen by the time they were in office, they did not fix it because it was helping their economic numbers.

Every congress and president was in someway involved in this mess but the fact remains the peopel at the helm at the time the outcome of this mess could have been stopped was Bush and the entirely R congress. You can pretend they werent but its fact.
 
You do realise that it has created jobs right?

The bleeding of jobs was created by the last fiasco of a president.

Do you remember all the blaming of Clinton by the right for the mild recession that started while Clinton was still in office?

You see the right does this shit all the time.

Recessions are normal, the regulation put in place after the GD helped mitigate their effects and we had a realitively stable economy with mild recessions and booms for decades after that, THEN Glass Steagal was killed after years of the right tryoing to get it done. Clinton like an asshole thought he could fsign it and let the Rs face the effects later and have Gore fix it when he was elected. Bush stole the election and then NEVER fixed the negative effects on the economy that the regulation gap left. We ened up with a new great depression that TARP held back for the momment. Then Obama did the stimulus and kept it from freefalling. You people will pretend that stimulus did not work even though all the economic biggys agree that it stemed the tide.


Things are going to take years to find a new normal. This is not Obamas fault it is the people who allowed this to steamroll along while many people warned it was building.

You dont crash the car and then blame the mechanic for not fixing the engine, body and frame in less time than it took you to crash the car.

I knew you just wouldn't understand, truth. Clinton"s policies had the lending institutions to have more lenient lending restrictions for mortgages, was the beginning, OK?
I'm not dismissing what the right does OK? That is politics, but I do expect people to be honest when it comes to pointing fingers, and you aren't able to do that, truth.
If obama's policies are job killers, which they are with cap and trade, and this boodndoggle of healthcare, he does have his hands on the recession. Even when he was a Senator, he became part of the problem, but I digress. Even though he did inherit the recession, if his actions don't take the economy in the right direction, he is to blame also.
I don't know how this will play out.

If you crash the car, and the mechanic doesn't fix the brakes, yes he is part of the problem

Guess who didnt fix the brakes for ten years while the protections of glass steagal were gone.

Its you who dont "GET IT".

Yes there were policies to force banks to give loans to people with certain risks. Note the word force. They were not liking it because it presented more risk and a smaller chance of profit. Then glass steagal was killed and the banks were able to buy into several sectors of the finacial industry which in the past were seperated to protect us from what happened in the GD. With these restrictions gone they found a sleazy way to profit on the shitty loans by packaging them off with other loans to hide the risk. THEY THEN SOLD THEM OFF. They no longer bared the risk of the shitty loans they sold to the little guy. The little guy was told housing would jsut keep going up forever and they believed it. The little guy was told to buy the house he cant afford and then sell it for a profit in a couple of years and use that money to buy a house you could afford with a traditional loan. This actually worked for peopel who were in early on the game. Like any ponzi scheme it was the late comers to the game who got bilked. Another way people got bilked is they were told by the financial experts that housing would keep going up forever so they could take money out of their homes equity and buy that HUGE status symbol SUV they always wanted. Remember all the "Its patriotic to shop and buy" bullshit you heard from Bush?

I know how this will play out. The Dems will jcontinue to fix the mess , you will continue to blame them for everything and pretend nothing is working. Then things will get better and the republicans will find some new crazy pack of lies that you will swallow and then you will gain enough ground to talk the American people into letting you in office again and the cycle will repete.

The only thing that will be different this time is the corps will be free to POUR money into the system until they can have us right back in the situation we were before the GD and we will have these booms and busts every other year until the country get so mad we become a third world country the turns to socialism in a revolt against capitalism and its abuses when it is unfettered.

I am a capitalist and dont want this to happen.

This is why everyone, and even from the left on this board...know that your a partisan hack who will not admit that her party is part of the problem. All the votes were bipartisan for the last 10 years, truth, or lie, I just don't know what to call you.
Go play with your dog, because he/she is probably the only one that will listen to you.
 
You do realise that it has created jobs right?

The bleeding of jobs was created by the last fiasco of a president.

Do you remember all the blaming of Clinton by the right for the mild recession that started while Clinton was still in office?

You see the right does this shit all the time.

Please show me where. Effective yesterday, I am unemployed. I'd like to know where these mysterious jobs are hidden.

Immie


Oh my God Immie, I so sorry to hear that.

How the hell did they end up letting you go ,you have been teaching for years now right?

Teaching? No, I'm an accountant.

They let me go because the company could not afford me. It was a poor decision, but when you work for a family business that employs family members, you have to expect that when things get tight the family member's job is not going to be the one that gets cut even if she only works 20 hours a week (maybe) and earns as much as you do working full time.

I'm looking at this (for now) as an opportunity to move on. The company is struggling and in desperate need of cash. I pray they can turn it around, but I am not so sure they even care to anymore.

Immie
 
I know how this will play out. The Dems will jcontinue to fix the mess , you will continue to blame them for everything and pretend nothing is working. Then things will get better and the republicans will find some new crazy pack of lies that you will swallow and then you will gain enough ground to talk the American people into letting you in office again and the cycle will repete.

You mean those Democrats in Congress?

Oh yes, they sure know how to fix this economy. :)


Democrats aren't doing shit to help the economy, you're just taking in all the lies of the media.

Because the way you talk sure makes the Democrats sound like the best thing that ever happened, and how they will fix this..

If they knew how to fix this why didn't they do that back in 08? or 09? or '10? Hmm. Exactly.

All the republicans had to do was properly regulate the industry. The effects of the removal of glass steagal were being seen by the time they were in office, they did not fix it because it was helping their economic numbers.

Every congress and president was in someway involved in this mess but the fact remains the peopel at the helm at the time the outcome of this mess could have been stopped was Bush and the entirely R congress. You can pretend they werent but its fact.

I have to disagree with the placing all the blame on President Bush.

We were bound for a recession. It was coming whether we liked it or not. Prior to the campaign, the Democrats began to talk down the economy and point fingers at the Bush Administration. This in effect drove the country into "panic mode" and brought about the inevitable sooner (during Bush's last year) rather than later.

It was coming as all recessions do... in this case, the Democrats chose when it would arrive.

Immie
 
I thought I remembered talking to you about teaching years ago.

Move to Vegas dude , the houses are very cheap right now and I bet there are more than normal accountant jobs. Only snows in a blue moon.
 
I thought I remembered talking to you about teaching years ago.

Move to Vegas dude , the houses are very cheap right now and I bet there are more than normal accountant jobs. Only snows in a blue moon.

Probably remember that I used to teach Sunday School.

I'd rather not move now if I don't have to. I could not sell my house for what I owe on it, and the last thing in the world I WANT to do is default on the loan.

Immie
 
there is always renting and I know personally it is no where as hard as people think it is
 
there is always renting and I know personally it is no where as hard as people think it is

I've thought about that.

My brother owned a mobile home and rented that out for several years until he sold it to the renter. It was a pain in the butt. And he had a renter that was there long term. I can just imagine renting to someone that later moves out and trashes the place.

Immie
 
dream all you want.

The stimulus worked.

This country will recover instead of diving into a depression and the stimulus worked to stop the slide.

Imagine what this country would have looked like without the stimulus.

We would have been in a Massive mess.


Your ideas caused this mess and it took the ideas of the left to save it.

The perfect post.
 
I know the stimulus worked real good for former Secretary of treasury Henry Paulson
Because we bailed out AIG, we were told the world would come to a end if we did not.
but No one new that Paulson still had 500 million in stock with Goldman Sachs and that Aig had owed them billions of dollars and as soonas Aig recieved the bailout money they paid back Goldman Sachs and saved Paulsons 500 million.
Who knows how many other crocks we saved.
are the banks lending to the public no, don't matter if you owned your house for twenty years and go for a loan to consolidate dept, they can just pick up your property for pennies on the dollar after you lose it.
Will be no more middle class if continues.
 
They dont really trash the place.

Most just make a mess.

Some actually leave it ready to rent.

A mobil home is not going to be a good example. They do not hold up as well as a real house. Fewer people are willing to live in a mobil home.

I love getting back into my house once in awhile. I can hang and remember while I make it right again.

Never give up on the renting idea, if you really hate the work involved with it you can hand it over to a reputable property management professional.
 

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