The problem with the 'it's still early' line from non-Trump Republicans

[Arlette]

Correct – and get revenge on Republicans who opposed him.

The GOP is about vengeance, revenge, getting even, playing the victim, and destroying political enemies – something Republicans believe DeSantis is incapable of.

Exactly. The Meatball is just tuff enough to stomp on some vulnerable trans kids for the American Jesus sow. There is plenty to criticize about Trump but the Meatball doesn't have the balls for that

 

[Arlette]

Arguably, what Hillary did was quite worse. But both Hillary and Biden took classified docs and kept them in their homes and other places they shouldn't have been.

Plug in "selective prosecution" and read it yourself. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Next

 

[Rawley]

Plug in "selective prosecution" and read it yourself. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Next

Backatcha. Hell, even look at wiki

Selective prosecution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Seymour Flops]

DeSantis blames media for sagging poll numbers: ‘They’re going after me’

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) blamed members of media outlets for his sagging poll numbers that have him far behind former President Trump for the lead for the 2024 Republican nomination. DeS…

thehill.com

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) blamed members of media outlets for his sagging poll numbers that have him far behind former President Trump for the lead for the 2024 Republican nomination.

DeSantis said during an interview on Fox News on Thursday that “corporate media” are focusing on him because they do not want him to win the nomination.

That's not it. He's cutting his own throat by being too over the top on what he thinks are conservative issues. I had thought of DeSantis as a good second choice just-in-case or as a VP who could pick up the torch in four years. Lately, I'm having my doubts about Ron.

The trans issue is a perfect example. Trying to paint Trump as part of the current transgenderization movement, as he did in that ad is absurd. Trump opposes chemical and surgical castration of children, that is clear. But he doesn't hate trans people, nor does he want them to lose rights (mutilating children will never be a "right").

I have to think very few Republicans support the idea of CPS being sic'd on parents who follow doctor's advice. Most would like to regulate the kind of destructive advice gender specialists too often give, but not go after the parents. They are likely as often the victims also of the transgenderizers than bad faith actors.

His food fight with Disney, in which he is weaponizing the Florida government, is (or should be) exactly the kind of thing that Republicans oppose.

If he wants to out-Trump Trump, or out-conservative Trump, he should focus on the illegal alien issue, where he is stronger than Trump. But his going after of licensed drivers - workers who have been in the country for years in most cases - will be looked at as tone deaf in the wake of so many Americans not wanting to work unless they can "work at home." Keep busing new arrivals to sanctuary cities, since those cities have sworn to welcome them. They will get tired enough of exactly what they wish on border states, then they will ask Biden for help, as in stop the flow, as they are already doing in some deep blue cities.

 

[Billiejeens]

Trump was a bad loser. So was Gore So was Hillary.

President Trump won.

 

[Arlette]

DeSantis blames media for sagging poll numbers: ‘They’re going after me’

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) blamed members of media outlets for his sagging poll numbers that have him far behind former President Trump for the lead for the 2024 Republican nomination. DeS…

thehill.com

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) blamed members of media outlets for his sagging poll numbers that have him far behind former President Trump for the lead for the 2024 Republican nomination.

DeSantis said during an interview on Fox News on Thursday that “corporate media” are focusing on him because they do not want him to win the nomination.

That's not it. He's cutting his own throat by being too over the top on what he thinks are conservative issues. I had thought of DeSantis as a good second choice just-in-case or as a VP who could pick up the torch in four years. Lately, I'm having my doubts about Ron.

The trans issue is a perfect example. Trying to paint Trump as part of the current transgenderization movement, as he did in that ad is absurd. Trump opposes chemical and surgical castration of children, that is clear. But he doesn't hate trans people, nor does he want them to lose rights (mutilating children will never be a "right").

I have to think very few Republicans support the idea of CPS being sic'd on parents who follow doctor's advice. Most would like to regulate the kind of destructive advice gender specialists too often give, but not go after the parents. They are likely as often the victims also of the transgenderizers than bad faith actors.

His food fight with Disney, in which he is weaponizing the Florida government, is (or should be) exactly the kind of thing that Republicans oppose.

If he wants to out-Trump Trump, or out-conservative Trump, he should focus on the illegal alien issue, where he is stronger than Trump. But his going after of licensed drivers - workers who have been in the country for years in most cases - will be looked at as tone deaf in the wake of so many Americans not wanting to work unless they can "work at home." Keep busing new arrivals to sanctuary cities, since those cities have sworn to welcome them. They will get tired enough of exactly what they wish on border states, then they will ask Biden for help, as in stop the flow, as they are already doing in some deep blue cities.

The book burner. America isn't gonna put a book burner into the White House

 

[Rawley]

President Trump won.

Like it or not, he couldn't prove it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The book burner. America isn't gonna put a book burner into the White House

Depend on which books he burns. It it is "Gender Queer" or "Lawn Boy" (Evison version) given to their children, most American parents will happily toast marshmallows over that bonfire.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is as much of a racist and bigot as DeSantis, so that’s not a reason for Republicans to abandon Trump.

And DeSantis is perceived to be part of the ‘establishment’; DeSantis can play culture warrior and lie about ‘woke’ all he wants – it’s about burning the Washington edifice to the ground and purging the Party of ‘RINOs, something only Trump can do.

DeSantis is trying to run on being more Conservative than Trump

Until he takes off the kid gloves and attacks Trump on his many failures…….he will lose Big League

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Trump is good at commanding the debate stage by use of his shameless interrupting and senseless bullying. Republican voters love that shit. They never matured past the 8th grade so they need a moron like that that sticks out. Policy takes a back seat to one liners. Republicans are pathetic like that.

Luckily Trump’s style doesn’t work in a general election.

True, Republicans are about smash-mouth politics; about the politics of fear and intimidation; including actual political violence and lawlessness as we saw on 1/6.

Trump can do smash-mouth politics, DeSantis can’t.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

DeSantis is trying to run on being more Conservative than Trump

Until he takes off the kid gloves and attacks Trump on his many failures…….he will lose Big League

But that’s another problem for DeSantis – Trump cult members love Trump despite his failures; like Trump, Republicans blame everyone and everything else for Trump’s failures, Trump the perpetual victim.

 

[rightwinger]

But that’s another problem for DeSantis – Trump cult members love Trump despite his failures; like Trump, Republicans blame everyone and everything else for Trump’s failures, Trump the perpetual victim.

No matter how hard he tries, the Trump cult will not switch to DeSantis
He needs new tactics

 

[Billiejeens]

Like it or not, he couldn't prove it.

Neither side could.

 

[MinTrut]

“But while Trump is the driver of the party agenda and rhetoric, he has been effective at still presenting himself in opposition to the party’s traditional power centers. He’s managed to preserve the idea that he is the voice of the outsider right, in part by successfully reframing his criminal indictments and investigations into his actions as establishment efforts to hold him at bay. He is the guy who will tear it all down … despite having been in a position to do so before and not doing it (as Christie noted at another point in his interview Sunday).

That’s DeSantis’s challenge. His candidacy was originally theorized by observers as a way to consolidate the anti-Trump vote, but that’s a vote that Trump has been effective at marginalizing as pro-establishment. So instead DeSantis is trying to run to Trump’s right, as a challenger to a front-runner that DeSantis is trying to frame as insufficiently right-wing. It’s a tough argument to make, particularly when Trump is so effectively driving the issues upon which primary voters are focused.

It’s not just that we’re early in the primary cycle — which we are — that matters. It’s also the composition of that cycle, who’s in, and what they represent. In 2008 and 2016, Clinton was challenged by outsiders who framed her as insufficiently responsive to the more liberal wing of the party. In 2016, Trump convinced Republicans that he was a vehicle for the dismantling of a party they disliked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/10/desantis-trump-christie-gop/

And there’s this:

‘“We’re totally undecided,” said Blanks, 52 years old, as she and her husband neared their car, completing a 4-mile loop. She voted for Donald Trump twice before and thinks the former president can return to Washington “with a sledgehammer,” despite thinking DeSantis could attract more independent voters in a general election.

Six weeks after launching his campaign, DeSantis has stalled.’

DeSantis Campaign Stalls as He Tries to Court Trump’s GOP Fans and Foes Alike

The Florida governor’s support is flat in national and early-state polling.

www.wsj.com

DeSantis therefore has two problems – failing to portray Trump as insufficiently right-wing and being perceived by Republican primary voters as part of the ‘establishment’ Trump would dismantle “with a sledgehammer.”

DeSantis has no national political future.

The article is a lot of words, but they all boil down to TDS; they just can't stop talking about the guy.

 

[MinTrut]

No matter how hard he tries, the Trump cult will not switch to DeSantis
He needs new tactics

I don't know what this alleged Trump cult is, but DeSantis is disgusting and far more dangerous and repulsive than Trump.

Of course Biden and Harris and Newsom are even MORE repugnant, so there's that.

Not that this will stop the Democrats from somehow keeping the WH; maybe Sam Brinton could run?

 

[Billiejeens]

I don't know what this alleged Trump cult is, but DeSantis is disgusting and far more dangerous and repulsive than Trump.

Of course Biden and Harris and Newsom are even MORE repugnant, so there's that.

Not that this will stop the Democrats from somehow keeping the WH; maybe Sam Brinton could run?

Describe the disgusting and dangerous that you see in DeSantis.

 

[JGalt]

I don't know what this alleged Trump cult is, but DeSantis is disgusting and far more dangerous and repulsive than Trump.

Of course Biden and Harris and Newsom are even MORE repugnant, so there's that.

Not that this will stop the Democrats from somehow keeping the WH; maybe Sam Brinton could run?

Watch yer luggage.

 

[Pellinore]

The biggest thing going for Trump is that the Republican party has a lot of conservatives. Conservatives generally do not get swept away in flights of fancy for a young, ideological newcomer; whoever is ahead a year or six months out is usually the GOP nominee. Assuming he doesn't have a health crisis or goes to jail, it's his to lose.

I agree with those who say that DeSantis is really running for the "If He Drops Out" title. The same goes for most of the GOP field, really.

 

[MinTrut]

Describe the disgusting and dangerous that you see in DeSantis.

I guess you see it or you don't; maybe his failure to take hold nationally will help you understand.

You may want a surefire winner, and when you see he isn't that, maybe you'll forget about him.

 

[Billiejeens]

I guess you see it or you don't; maybe his failure to take hold nationally will help you understand.

You may want a surefire winner, and when you see he isn't that, maybe you'll forget about him.

I'm a Trump supporter.
The question was easy.
Once again -
Can you describe what you see with Desantis that makes him - disgusting and far more dangerous and repulsive than Trump. (?)