The ONLY solution to the immigration problem

[YoursTruly]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

 

[RodISHI]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

You have the money to personally back up that guarantee? Their wages all went up with NAFTA yet the cartels and corruption just got bigger. I don't believe your guarantee has much credence as it didn't work previously.

 

[YoursTruly]

You have the money to personally back up that guarantee? Their wages all went up with NAFTA yet the cartels and corruption just got bigger. I don't believe your guarantee has much credence as it didn't work previously.

Their wages didn't go up enough to improve their economy so much that the corruption won't continue. Corporate lobbyist can still buy politicians on the cheap down there. Not to mention their military leaders who should be squelching the cocaine and opium trafficking. And human trafficking.

Do the math on a company here, with 500 employee's at $20hr (40hr week) vs one down there at even $2hr with 500 employees. The profits are in the millions. Just for one company. With all the big US and other countries corporations down there, if they all pitched in $500,000 each, the politicians, who could raise the minimum wages, wouldn't dare do it.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The REAL way to resolve the issue is to repeal laws back to what they were when America was great.

Secondly, unless and until America's drug culture is dismantled, you will have the same revolving door that brings those from south of the border here. You cannot bitch about drug cartels on one hand AND have a culture wherein parents, the government, doctors / the mental health community and Big Pharma think that drugs should be the first (and most of the time) only option every time someone gets a headache or don't feel good.

You are not going to solve immigration woes by limiting the employers equal Rights to avail themselves of foreign labor. You are not going to resolve the issue when Americans are the most drug addicted people on the planet. AND we also have the most people in prison than any country in the world... Adding insult to injury for every drug addict in a mental health facility, more than TEN are in prison. As if that is not enough, not only is that generation unable to work and be productive, but locked out of the job market with Republican passed laws like the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify that gives unfettered access to an individual's past. They can never get beyond it.

Given the nature of our problem, the only form of punishment for people should be the death penalty for breaking the law. Once they have a criminal record, they become unemployable and some foreigner, on average, will claim the job the American don't want or cannot work due to their background.

Repeal laws that were passed between when people say America was great and today. Stop the drug culture starting with parents, the government, doctors / mental health officials and Big Pharma from dispensing drugs as if they were candy. Either kill criminals OR limit an employer's access to an individual's background. Repeal the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify and call it a day.

 

[harmonica]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

.....better to build a wall than try to WASTE $$$$ down there--that's been tried before--and FAILED
Alliance for Progress - Wikipedia
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kennedy-proposes-alliance-for-progress

 

[RodISHI]

You have the money to personally back up that guarantee? Their wages all went up with NAFTA yet the cartels and corruption just got bigger. I don't believe your guarantee has much credence as it didn't work previously.

Their wages didn't go up enough to improve their economy so much that the corruption won't continue. Corporate lobbyist can still buy politicians on the cheap down there. Not to mention their military leaders who should be squelching the cocaine and opium trafficking. And human trafficking.

Do the math on a company here, with 500 employee's at $20hr (40hr week) vs one down there at even $2hr with 500 employees. The profits are in the millions. Just for one company. With all the big US and other countries corporations down there, if they all pitched in $500,000 each, the politicians, who could raise the minimum wages, wouldn't dare do it.

Its Mexico's issue and if those corporates take the risk there they get whatever comes with all of that corruption.

I'd be more interested in making sure we get all those cartel babies shipped back across the border instead of letting DACA and this bullshit amnesty the politicians have planned proceed. Until that is done I wouldn't even entertain what Mexico needs.

 

[harmonica]

.....it's also a culture problem--like the blacks in America--very, very hard to change/improve cultures
...build a wall/tighten security/cut back on LEGAL and illegal immigration/etc

 

[RodISHI]

The REAL way to resolve the issue is to repeal laws back to what they were when America was great.

Secondly, unless and until America's drug culture is dismantled, you will have the same revolving door that brings those from south of the border here. You cannot bitch about drug cartels on one hand AND have a culture wherein parents, the government, doctors / the mental health community and Big Pharma think that drugs should be the first (and most of the time) only option every time someone gets a headache or don't feel good.

You are not going to solve immigration woes by limiting the employers equal Rights to avail themselves of foreign labor. You are not going to resolve the issue when Americans are the most drug addicted people on the planet. AND we also have the most people in prison than any country in the world... Adding insult to injury for every drug addict in a mental health facility, more than TEN are in prison. As if that is not enough, not only is that generation unable to work and be productive, but locked out of the job market with Republican passed laws like the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify that gives unfettered access to an individual's past. They can never get beyond it.

Given the nature of our problem, the only form of punishment for people should be the death penalty for breaking the law. Once they have a criminal record, they become unemployable and some foreigner, on average, will claim the job the American don't want or cannot work due to their background.

Repeal laws that were passed between when people say America was great and today. Stop the drug culture starting with parents, the government, doctors / mental health officials and Big Pharma from dispensing drugs as if they were candy. Either kill criminals OR limit an employer's access to an individual's background. Repeal the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify and call it a day.

Prisons and section * housing have been good investments for Democrats like Steyer the fund manager. Probably for many Repugs too.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

.....better to build a wall than try to WASTE $$$$ down there--that's been tried before--and FAILED
Alliance for Progress - Wikipedia
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kennedy-proposes-alliance-for-progress

A Mexican solution for the dumb ass wall idea:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K4FQ6G/?tag=ff0d01-20

 

[RodISHI]

.....it's also a culture problem--like the blacks in America--very, very hard to change/improve cultures
...build a wall/tighten security/cut back on LEGAL and illegal immigration/etc

The illegal immigration push was aimed at the American blacks to displace many of them.

 

[harmonica]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

.....better to build a wall than try to WASTE $$$$ down there--that's been tried before--and FAILED
Alliance for Progress - Wikipedia
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kennedy-proposes-alliance-for-progress

A Mexican solution for the dumb ass wall idea:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K4FQ6G/?tag=ff0d01-20

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

 

[Unkotare]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

Is there a minimum age for posting here?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The REAL way to resolve the issue is to repeal laws back to what they were when America was great.

Secondly, unless and until America's drug culture is dismantled, you will have the same revolving door that brings those from south of the border here. You cannot bitch about drug cartels on one hand AND have a culture wherein parents, the government, doctors / the mental health community and Big Pharma think that drugs should be the first (and most of the time) only option every time someone gets a headache or don't feel good.

You are not going to solve immigration woes by limiting the employers equal Rights to avail themselves of foreign labor. You are not going to resolve the issue when Americans are the most drug addicted people on the planet. AND we also have the most people in prison than any country in the world... Adding insult to injury for every drug addict in a mental health facility, more than TEN are in prison. As if that is not enough, not only is that generation unable to work and be productive, but locked out of the job market with Republican passed laws like the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify that gives unfettered access to an individual's past. They can never get beyond it.

Given the nature of our problem, the only form of punishment for people should be the death penalty for breaking the law. Once they have a criminal record, they become unemployable and some foreigner, on average, will claim the job the American don't want or cannot work due to their background.

Repeal laws that were passed between when people say America was great and today. Stop the drug culture starting with parents, the government, doctors / mental health officials and Big Pharma from dispensing drugs as if they were candy. Either kill criminals OR limit an employer's access to an individual's background. Repeal the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify and call it a day.

Prisons and section * housing have been good investments for Democrats like Steyer the fund manager. Probably for many Repugs too.

That is why you need to start thinking outside the box.

Regardless of which side you're on, rational people realize that a wall will not happen. There will be life after Trump and it will be Americans swinging left. It's the nature of the cycles of history and demographics.

There is but one solution and it will not come from the right or the left. Those behind the sides on both sides are playing you.

 

[harmonica]

..need to stop playing around---post troops and a wall......use choppers/drones/etc

 

[RodISHI]

The REAL way to resolve the issue is to repeal laws back to what they were when America was great.

Secondly, unless and until America's drug culture is dismantled, you will have the same revolving door that brings those from south of the border here. You cannot bitch about drug cartels on one hand AND have a culture wherein parents, the government, doctors / the mental health community and Big Pharma think that drugs should be the first (and most of the time) only option every time someone gets a headache or don't feel good.

You are not going to solve immigration woes by limiting the employers equal Rights to avail themselves of foreign labor. You are not going to resolve the issue when Americans are the most drug addicted people on the planet. AND we also have the most people in prison than any country in the world... Adding insult to injury for every drug addict in a mental health facility, more than TEN are in prison. As if that is not enough, not only is that generation unable to work and be productive, but locked out of the job market with Republican passed laws like the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify that gives unfettered access to an individual's past. They can never get beyond it.

Given the nature of our problem, the only form of punishment for people should be the death penalty for breaking the law. Once they have a criminal record, they become unemployable and some foreigner, on average, will claim the job the American don't want or cannot work due to their background.

Repeal laws that were passed between when people say America was great and today. Stop the drug culture starting with parents, the government, doctors / mental health officials and Big Pharma from dispensing drugs as if they were candy. Either kill criminals OR limit an employer's access to an individual's background. Repeal the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify and call it a day.

Prisons and section * housing have been good investments for Democrats like Steyer the fund manager. Probably for many Repugs too.

That is why you need to start thinking outside the box.

Regardless of which side you're on, rational people realize that a wall will not happen. There will be life after Trump and it will be Americans swinging left. It's the nature of the cycles of history and demographics.

There is but one solution and it will not come from the right or the left. Those behind the sides on both sides are playing you.

The swing already went far left and is heading back to the right. Sorry you do not recognize this.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

.....better to build a wall than try to WASTE $$$$ down there--that's been tried before--and FAILED
Alliance for Progress - Wikipedia
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kennedy-proposes-alliance-for-progress

A Mexican solution for the dumb ass wall idea:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K4FQ6G/?tag=ff0d01-20

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

Unlike "many other countries," America is not a homogeneous country. Unlike "many other countries" Americans are dependent upon people from south of the border for illegal drugs. A wall is NOT going to cure drug habits and a bad national drug policy. Unlike "many other countries" the U.S. has several generations of Americans with families from south of the border.

Just as the wall between East and West Berlin could not stand, neither would a wall between the United States and Mexico. Separating families on the basis that some of the relatives violated a civil misdemeanor WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

 

[harmonica]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

.....better to build a wall than try to WASTE $$$$ down there--that's been tried before--and FAILED
Alliance for Progress - Wikipedia
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kennedy-proposes-alliance-for-progress

A Mexican solution for the dumb ass wall idea:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K4FQ6G/?tag=ff0d01-20

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

Unlike "many other countries," America is not a homogeneous country. Unlike "many other countries" Americans are dependent upon people from south of the border for illegal drugs. A wall is NOT going to cure drug habits and a bad national drug policy. Unlike "many other countries" the U.S. has several generations of Americans with families from south of the border.

Just as the wall between East and West Berlin could not stand, neither would a wall between the United States and Mexico. Separating families on the basis that some of the relatives violated a civil misdemeanor WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

.....sorry you do not know the history, but the Berlin wall worked --it kept them separated
..West and East Berlin were part of ONE city!!! in the SAME country --DUH--very ridiculous and wrong analogy
..so godamn what if they have families south of the border???!!! = what's that got to do with anything??

..fk those families/etc----you are either a citizen of the US or you are not

 

[YoursTruly]

The people south of the border are not our enemies.

 

[harmonica]

The people south of the border are not our enemies.

..yes, they are
very simply: more workers = lower wages higher prices= low hourly wage for US workers
California immigrant capital of the US:
....one of the most expensive states to live in and bottom in poverty/schools overcrowded/etc
https://www.homesnacks.net/cheapest-states-to-live-in-1211594/

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The REAL way to resolve the issue is to repeal laws back to what they were when America was great.

Secondly, unless and until America's drug culture is dismantled, you will have the same revolving door that brings those from south of the border here. You cannot bitch about drug cartels on one hand AND have a culture wherein parents, the government, doctors / the mental health community and Big Pharma think that drugs should be the first (and most of the time) only option every time someone gets a headache or don't feel good.

You are not going to solve immigration woes by limiting the employers equal Rights to avail themselves of foreign labor. You are not going to resolve the issue when Americans are the most drug addicted people on the planet. AND we also have the most people in prison than any country in the world... Adding insult to injury for every drug addict in a mental health facility, more than TEN are in prison. As if that is not enough, not only is that generation unable to work and be productive, but locked out of the job market with Republican passed laws like the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify that gives unfettered access to an individual's past. They can never get beyond it.

Given the nature of our problem, the only form of punishment for people should be the death penalty for breaking the law. Once they have a criminal record, they become unemployable and some foreigner, on average, will claim the job the American don't want or cannot work due to their background.

Repeal laws that were passed between when people say America was great and today. Stop the drug culture starting with parents, the government, doctors / mental health officials and Big Pharma from dispensing drugs as if they were candy. Either kill criminals OR limit an employer's access to an individual's background. Repeal the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify and call it a day.

Prisons and section * housing have been good investments for Democrats like Steyer the fund manager. Probably for many Repugs too.

That is why you need to start thinking outside the box.

Regardless of which side you're on, rational people realize that a wall will not happen. There will be life after Trump and it will be Americans swinging left. It's the nature of the cycles of history and demographics.

There is but one solution and it will not come from the right or the left. Those behind the sides on both sides are playing you.

The swing already went far left and is heading back to the right. Sorry you do not recognize this.

I've been a part of the political scenery since before you were a gleam in your daddy's eyes. I watched Georgia go from ALL Democrat to ALL Republican in every office on every level where I vote - city, county, state and federal levels (all offices.) The last statewide election was decided by less than 1 percent of the vote.

On every piece of empty property in the city I live they are building condos and apartments - and all of those will be occupied by non-whites and non-whites vote for Democrats by LARGE margins. In the next election, Democrats will rule. Our county prosecutor changed parties already in anticipation of the next election.

One county over, it was held by conservatives since Reagan. Today, that seat is occupied by Lucy McBath, a Democrat.

Just a couple of weeks ago, our governor (who ran as a pro gun - anti immigrant type) had to appoint someone to fill the U.S. Senate seat of Johnny Isakson who is retiring with a year left in his Senate term. The POS that our governor appointed has an attorney named Stacey Abrams. Abrams is a black racist that made reparations a part of her campaign.

WTH??? A good ol' boy nominates a woman to the Senate that is cozy with the most radical Democrats in this state AND is friends with the woman who almost beat him in the election????

Trump is limited to the upcoming election. After that no Republican is taking Georgia. Demographics and the mood of the people five years from now. Trump did NOT win the popular vote. He won the electoral vote. Democrats are making sure that the next election will be the last the Republicans win. The Republicans are mostly RINOs.