The ONLY solution to the immigration problem

[Crepitus]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

You'd have to pay a lot more for everything. Mexico makes everything from avacados to zippers.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

.....better to build a wall than try to WASTE $$$$ down there--that's been tried before--and FAILED
Alliance for Progress - Wikipedia
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kennedy-proposes-alliance-for-progress

A Mexican solution for the dumb ass wall idea:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K4FQ6G/?tag=ff0d01-20

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

Unlike "many other countries," America is not a homogeneous country. Unlike "many other countries" Americans are dependent upon people from south of the border for illegal drugs. A wall is NOT going to cure drug habits and a bad national drug policy. Unlike "many other countries" the U.S. has several generations of Americans with families from south of the border.

Just as the wall between East and West Berlin could not stand, neither would a wall between the United States and Mexico. Separating families on the basis that some of the relatives violated a civil misdemeanor WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

.....sorry you do not know the history, but the Berlin wall worked --it kept them separated
..West and East Berlin were part of ONE city!!! in the SAME country --DUH--very ridiculous and wrong analogy
..so godamn what if they have families south of the border???!!! = what's that got to do with anything??

..fk those families/etc----you are either a citizen of the US or you are not

So what??? The American people went ballistic when we separated undocumented families. When cops, soldiers, politicians, and community leaders... not to mention upper income level Hispanics are having their families separated due to mass deportations, all Hell is going to break loose.

An no, the Berlin Wall did not work. It's one of the reasons it came down. For better or worse, America seems to be committed to its own demise. All the Americans on both sides of the aisle see is a one world / one race / one religion society.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

..need to stop playing around---post troops and a wall......use choppers/drones/etc

They are already arresting U.S. military personnel by the dozens for helping Hispanics breach border controls. How many of those soldiers, cops, etc. do you think have families in Mexico?

 

[harmonica]

.....better to build a wall than try to WASTE $$$$ down there--that's been tried before--and FAILED
Alliance for Progress - Wikipedia
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kennedy-proposes-alliance-for-progress

A Mexican solution for the dumb ass wall idea:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K4FQ6G/?tag=ff0d01-20

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

Unlike "many other countries," America is not a homogeneous country. Unlike "many other countries" Americans are dependent upon people from south of the border for illegal drugs. A wall is NOT going to cure drug habits and a bad national drug policy. Unlike "many other countries" the U.S. has several generations of Americans with families from south of the border.

Just as the wall between East and West Berlin could not stand, neither would a wall between the United States and Mexico. Separating families on the basis that some of the relatives violated a civil misdemeanor WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

.....sorry you do not know the history, but the Berlin wall worked --it kept them separated
..West and East Berlin were part of ONE city!!! in the SAME country --DUH--very ridiculous and wrong analogy
..so godamn what if they have families south of the border???!!! = what's that got to do with anything??

..fk those families/etc----you are either a citizen of the US or you are not

So what??? The American people went ballistic when we separated undocumented families. When cops, soldiers, politicians, and community leaders... not to mention upper income level Hispanics are having their families separated due to mass deportations, all Hell is going to break loose.

An no, the Berlin Wall did not work. It's one of the reasons it came down. For better or worse, America seems to be committed to its own demise. All the Americans on both sides of the aisle see is a one world / one race / one religion society.

.....you can't understand the Berlin Wall was in a city in the country of Germany..again--that's a very ridiculous and wrong analogy
....fk those families--NO--the American PEOPLE did not go ballistic- it was only the dumbas jackasses who did--lefties/Dems/etc--not ALL the people

 

[OldLady]

If Mexico and South America had an economy that was close to ours, as Canada's is, they wouldn't even wanna come here, right? So why are those two countries economies not closer to ours?

IMO, they're just huge slave labor camps for this part of the world. There's a reason why the minimum wage in Mexico is $5 per DAY (not hour)
Mexican officials are easily bought off by lobbyist. Much like our own politicians. In fact, lobbyist own 99% of all our politicians. Republicans and democrats alike. And since it's so cheap to live in Mexico, Mycrosoft and the other big companies down there, can easily afford to dish out a cool million to keep the minimum wages as slave labor levels. Which keeps the people poor. Which keeps crime levels high. Which keeps drug money coming in. And all the other effects that poverty has on any society.

Question is, how to fix it.

Because Trumps stupid wall isn't going to. Sending Mexico and South America hundreds of billions isn't going to work.
The answer to all of this is in their economies down there. I guarantee you, that if the minimum wages down there were even $5per HOUR, they wouldn't even bother coming here.

$5hr down there, is like an upper middle class wage.

Who is going to pay that upper middle class wage to farm laborers and unskilled factory workers? Find me one country anywhere that pays their common laborers an upper middle class wage.
I agree with you about how their poverty causes a great deal of the problems that make people--poor and not--flee to the US. Crime, drugs, corruption....
Fixing their economies though by demanding businesses pay more? I'm not sure that works.

 

[harmonica]

..need to stop playing around---post troops and a wall......use choppers/drones/etc

They are already arresting U.S. military personnel by the dozens for helping Hispanics breach border controls. How many of those soldiers, cops, etc. do you think have families in Mexico?

ridiculous .......

 

[harmonica]

.....better to build a wall than try to WASTE $$$$ down there--that's been tried before--and FAILED
Alliance for Progress - Wikipedia
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kennedy-proposes-alliance-for-progress

A Mexican solution for the dumb ass wall idea:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K4FQ6G/?tag=ff0d01-20

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

Unlike "many other countries," America is not a homogeneous country. Unlike "many other countries" Americans are dependent upon people from south of the border for illegal drugs. A wall is NOT going to cure drug habits and a bad national drug policy. Unlike "many other countries" the U.S. has several generations of Americans with families from south of the border.

Just as the wall between East and West Berlin could not stand, neither would a wall between the United States and Mexico. Separating families on the basis that some of the relatives violated a civil misdemeanor WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

.....sorry you do not know the history, but the Berlin wall worked --it kept them separated
..West and East Berlin were part of ONE city!!! in the SAME country --DUH--very ridiculous and wrong analogy
..so godamn what if they have families south of the border???!!! = what's that got to do with anything??

..fk those families/etc----you are either a citizen of the US or you are not

So what??? The American people went ballistic when we separated undocumented families. When cops, soldiers, politicians, and community leaders... not to mention upper income level Hispanics are having their families separated due to mass deportations, all Hell is going to break loose.

An no, the Berlin Wall did not work. It's one of the reasons it came down. For better or worse, America seems to be committed to its own demise. All the Americans on both sides of the aisle see is a one world / one race / one religion society.

Berlin is a city--not a country

 

[RodISHI]

The REAL way to resolve the issue is to repeal laws back to what they were when America was great.

Secondly, unless and until America's drug culture is dismantled, you will have the same revolving door that brings those from south of the border here. You cannot bitch about drug cartels on one hand AND have a culture wherein parents, the government, doctors / the mental health community and Big Pharma think that drugs should be the first (and most of the time) only option every time someone gets a headache or don't feel good.

You are not going to solve immigration woes by limiting the employers equal Rights to avail themselves of foreign labor. You are not going to resolve the issue when Americans are the most drug addicted people on the planet. AND we also have the most people in prison than any country in the world... Adding insult to injury for every drug addict in a mental health facility, more than TEN are in prison. As if that is not enough, not only is that generation unable to work and be productive, but locked out of the job market with Republican passed laws like the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify that gives unfettered access to an individual's past. They can never get beyond it.

Given the nature of our problem, the only form of punishment for people should be the death penalty for breaking the law. Once they have a criminal record, they become unemployable and some foreigner, on average, will claim the job the American don't want or cannot work due to their background.

Repeal laws that were passed between when people say America was great and today. Stop the drug culture starting with parents, the government, doctors / mental health officials and Big Pharma from dispensing drugs as if they were candy. Either kill criminals OR limit an employer's access to an individual's background. Repeal the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify and call it a day.

Prisons and section * housing have been good investments for Democrats like Steyer the fund manager. Probably for many Repugs too.

That is why you need to start thinking outside the box.

Regardless of which side you're on, rational people realize that a wall will not happen. There will be life after Trump and it will be Americans swinging left. It's the nature of the cycles of history and demographics.

There is but one solution and it will not come from the right or the left. Those behind the sides on both sides are playing you.

The swing already went far left and is heading back to the right. Sorry you do not recognize this.

I've been a part of the political scenery since before you were a gleam in your daddy's eyes. I watched Georgia go from ALL Democrat to ALL Republican in every office on every level where I vote - city, county, state and federal levels (all offices.) The last statewide election was decided by less than 1 percent of the vote.

On every piece of empty property in the city I live they are building condos and apartments - and all of those will be occupied by non-whites and non-whites vote for Democrats by LARGE margins. In the next election, Democrats will rule. Our county prosecutor changed parties already in anticipation of the next election.

One county over, it was held by conservatives since Reagan. Today, that seat is occupied by Lucy McBath, a Democrat.

Just a couple of weeks ago, our governor (who ran as a pro gun - anti immigrant type) had to appoint someone to fill the U.S. Senate seat of Johnny Isakson who is retiring with a year left in his Senate term. The POS that our governor appointed has an attorney named Stacey Abrams. Abrams is a black racist that made reparations a part of her campaign.

WTH??? A good ol' boy nominates a woman to the Senate that is cozy with the most radical Democrats in this state AND is friends with the woman who almost beat him in the election????

Trump is limited to the upcoming election. After that no Republican is taking Georgia. Demographics and the mood of the people five years from now. Trump did NOT win the popular vote. He won the electoral vote. Democrats are making sure that the next election will be the last the Republicans win. The Republicans are mostly RINOs.

Kelly Loeffler bought herself a Senate seat appointment and that is an indicator to you that the rest of the country will go Democrat?

Democrats have a bigger plan for doing more fraud in the election process you say, mmm... well I suppose they can try but a whole lot of former Democrats seem to be watching this whole messy affair in DC and don't particularly like what they are seeing. Hell, even old staunch Democrats I know that had stuck with the party to the end are now saying what crooks the Clinton's are.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

A Mexican solution for the dumb ass wall idea:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K4FQ6G/?tag=ff0d01-20

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

Unlike "many other countries," America is not a homogeneous country. Unlike "many other countries" Americans are dependent upon people from south of the border for illegal drugs. A wall is NOT going to cure drug habits and a bad national drug policy. Unlike "many other countries" the U.S. has several generations of Americans with families from south of the border.

Just as the wall between East and West Berlin could not stand, neither would a wall between the United States and Mexico. Separating families on the basis that some of the relatives violated a civil misdemeanor WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

.....sorry you do not know the history, but the Berlin wall worked --it kept them separated
..West and East Berlin were part of ONE city!!! in the SAME country --DUH--very ridiculous and wrong analogy
..so godamn what if they have families south of the border???!!! = what's that got to do with anything??

..fk those families/etc----you are either a citizen of the US or you are not

So what??? The American people went ballistic when we separated undocumented families. When cops, soldiers, politicians, and community leaders... not to mention upper income level Hispanics are having their families separated due to mass deportations, all Hell is going to break loose.

An no, the Berlin Wall did not work. It's one of the reasons it came down. For better or worse, America seems to be committed to its own demise. All the Americans on both sides of the aisle see is a one world / one race / one religion society.

.....you can't understand the Berlin Wall was in a city in the country of Germany..again--that's a very ridiculous and wrong analogy
....fk those families--NO--the American PEOPLE did not go ballistic- it was only the dumbas jackasses who did--lefties/Dems/etc--not ALL the people

The majority of people in power balked at separating families; the media made a big deal of it.

The analogies being thrown out there - well most countries .... are no more relevant than my Berlin Wall analogy. When the wall religionists want other countries to be compared they talk about most countries, when they don't, they have some deflection like you make. At least be honest enough to be consistent.

The Republicans lost the popular vote and the Dems have learned their lesson. They will not get the electoral votes they need to beat Trump, but Trump can only serve one more term if he beats impeachment. Then, you're in for one great big freaking surprise.

The demographic you cater to is becoming a minority with each passing year. Among younger people, you do have a minority and new Dems are becoming of voting age every year. You really need to wake up and see what is going on.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

..need to stop playing around---post troops and a wall......use choppers/drones/etc

They are already arresting U.S. military personnel by the dozens for helping Hispanics breach border controls. How many of those soldiers, cops, etc. do you think have families in Mexico?

ridiculous .......

Ridiculous or not, it is a FACT:

18 US Marines, one sailor arrested for alleged crimes including human smuggling and drug-related offenses - CNNPolitics

 

[Porter Rockwell]

A Mexican solution for the dumb ass wall idea:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K4FQ6G/?tag=ff0d01-20

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

Unlike "many other countries," America is not a homogeneous country. Unlike "many other countries" Americans are dependent upon people from south of the border for illegal drugs. A wall is NOT going to cure drug habits and a bad national drug policy. Unlike "many other countries" the U.S. has several generations of Americans with families from south of the border.

Just as the wall between East and West Berlin could not stand, neither would a wall between the United States and Mexico. Separating families on the basis that some of the relatives violated a civil misdemeanor WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

.....sorry you do not know the history, but the Berlin wall worked --it kept them separated
..West and East Berlin were part of ONE city!!! in the SAME country --DUH--very ridiculous and wrong analogy
..so godamn what if they have families south of the border???!!! = what's that got to do with anything??

..fk those families/etc----you are either a citizen of the US or you are not

So what??? The American people went ballistic when we separated undocumented families. When cops, soldiers, politicians, and community leaders... not to mention upper income level Hispanics are having their families separated due to mass deportations, all Hell is going to break loose.

An no, the Berlin Wall did not work. It's one of the reasons it came down. For better or worse, America seems to be committed to its own demise. All the Americans on both sides of the aisle see is a one world / one race / one religion society.

Berlin is a city--not a country

Do you have a point or do you find it necessary to try and make childish statements to my every post? Dude, if I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

Know this: There will be a time after Trump and you don't have a standard bearer after he leaves office. Add to that, many of the old time right wingers who used to bankroll "conservatives" are passing away:

David Koch, billionaire and conservative activist, dies at 79

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The REAL way to resolve the issue is to repeal laws back to what they were when America was great.

Secondly, unless and until America's drug culture is dismantled, you will have the same revolving door that brings those from south of the border here. You cannot bitch about drug cartels on one hand AND have a culture wherein parents, the government, doctors / the mental health community and Big Pharma think that drugs should be the first (and most of the time) only option every time someone gets a headache or don't feel good.

You are not going to solve immigration woes by limiting the employers equal Rights to avail themselves of foreign labor. You are not going to resolve the issue when Americans are the most drug addicted people on the planet. AND we also have the most people in prison than any country in the world... Adding insult to injury for every drug addict in a mental health facility, more than TEN are in prison. As if that is not enough, not only is that generation unable to work and be productive, but locked out of the job market with Republican passed laws like the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify that gives unfettered access to an individual's past. They can never get beyond it.

Given the nature of our problem, the only form of punishment for people should be the death penalty for breaking the law. Once they have a criminal record, they become unemployable and some foreigner, on average, will claim the job the American don't want or cannot work due to their background.

Repeal laws that were passed between when people say America was great and today. Stop the drug culture starting with parents, the government, doctors / mental health officials and Big Pharma from dispensing drugs as if they were candy. Either kill criminals OR limit an employer's access to an individual's background. Repeal the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify and call it a day.

Prisons and section * housing have been good investments for Democrats like Steyer the fund manager. Probably for many Repugs too.

That is why you need to start thinking outside the box.

Regardless of which side you're on, rational people realize that a wall will not happen. There will be life after Trump and it will be Americans swinging left. It's the nature of the cycles of history and demographics.

There is but one solution and it will not come from the right or the left. Those behind the sides on both sides are playing you.

The swing already went far left and is heading back to the right. Sorry you do not recognize this.

I've been a part of the political scenery since before you were a gleam in your daddy's eyes. I watched Georgia go from ALL Democrat to ALL Republican in every office on every level where I vote - city, county, state and federal levels (all offices.) The last statewide election was decided by less than 1 percent of the vote.

On every piece of empty property in the city I live they are building condos and apartments - and all of those will be occupied by non-whites and non-whites vote for Democrats by LARGE margins. In the next election, Democrats will rule. Our county prosecutor changed parties already in anticipation of the next election.

One county over, it was held by conservatives since Reagan. Today, that seat is occupied by Lucy McBath, a Democrat.

Just a couple of weeks ago, our governor (who ran as a pro gun - anti immigrant type) had to appoint someone to fill the U.S. Senate seat of Johnny Isakson who is retiring with a year left in his Senate term. The POS that our governor appointed has an attorney named Stacey Abrams. Abrams is a black racist that made reparations a part of her campaign.

WTH??? A good ol' boy nominates a woman to the Senate that is cozy with the most radical Democrats in this state AND is friends with the woman who almost beat him in the election????

Trump is limited to the upcoming election. After that no Republican is taking Georgia. Demographics and the mood of the people five years from now. Trump did NOT win the popular vote. He won the electoral vote. Democrats are making sure that the next election will be the last the Republicans win. The Republicans are mostly RINOs.

Kelly Loeffler bought herself a Senate seat appointment and that is an indicator to you that the rest of the country will go Democrat?

Democrats have a bigger plan for doing more fraud in the election process you say, mmm... well I suppose they can try but a whole lot of former Democrats seem to be watching this whole messy affair in DC and don't particularly like what they are seeing. Hell, even old staunch Democrats I know that had stuck with the party to the end are now saying what crooks the Clinton's are.

How completely and utterly fucking stupid! Can ANYONE on this board say anything more stupid than that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG. I have a short fuse for stupidity when people say complete idiotic things to me like they think I'm stupid. My shoe size exceeds your IQ apparently.

No, I do not think that Kelly Loeffler buying a Senate seat is the only thing to be considered. It's WHO she bought it from. She bought it from a Georgia governor ON YOUR SIDE OF THE POLITICAL FENCE!!!!! Add to that, Georgia is a very important swing state that may very well be going left in next year's election. If not then, most definitely in the following election. WTF is it with you people that cannot think long term and see that the world is not doing back flips because another Democrat jumped in to save the sinking Republican Party? No wonder you wound up with two terms of Barack Obama.

No, I do not base my conclusions on a single event or even a single state. I watch the states:

CHART: Democratic Governors Make A Big Comeback Under Trump

 

[harmonica]

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

Unlike "many other countries," America is not a homogeneous country. Unlike "many other countries" Americans are dependent upon people from south of the border for illegal drugs. A wall is NOT going to cure drug habits and a bad national drug policy. Unlike "many other countries" the U.S. has several generations of Americans with families from south of the border.

Just as the wall between East and West Berlin could not stand, neither would a wall between the United States and Mexico. Separating families on the basis that some of the relatives violated a civil misdemeanor WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

.....sorry you do not know the history, but the Berlin wall worked --it kept them separated
..West and East Berlin were part of ONE city!!! in the SAME country --DUH--very ridiculous and wrong analogy
..so godamn what if they have families south of the border???!!! = what's that got to do with anything??

..fk those families/etc----you are either a citizen of the US or you are not

So what??? The American people went ballistic when we separated undocumented families. When cops, soldiers, politicians, and community leaders... not to mention upper income level Hispanics are having their families separated due to mass deportations, all Hell is going to break loose.

An no, the Berlin Wall did not work. It's one of the reasons it came down. For better or worse, America seems to be committed to its own demise. All the Americans on both sides of the aisle see is a one world / one race / one religion society.

Berlin is a city--not a country

Do you have a point or do you find it necessary to try and make childish statements to my every post? Dude, if I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

Know this: There will be a time after Trump and you don't have a standard bearer after he leaves office. Add to that, many of the old time right wingers who used to bankroll "conservatives" are passing away:

David Koch, billionaire and conservative activist, dies at 79

you bring up Berlin = idiocy
last time I check, Mr Trump IS POTUS
ahahahahhahahaha---you DO sound like a crying little child/bitch because Mr Trump is POTUS
jesus christ--grow up!! adults don't cry when their candidate loses

 

[YoursTruly]

Who is going to pay that upper middle class wage to farm laborers and unskilled factory workers? Find me one country anywhere that pays their common laborers an upper middle class wage.
I agree with you about how their poverty causes a great deal of the problems that make people--poor and not--flee to the US. Crime, drugs, corruption....
Fixing their economies though by demanding businesses pay more? I'm not sure that works.

Maybe I didn't explain it right. Because $5hr should not be an upper middle class wage. I know people here will be pissed if they had to start paying a higher price for Mexican and South American imported goods. But in all reality, THE worst that could happen would be jobs coming back from those countries to the USA, because transportation costs would outweigh the saves they would be getting from the present slave labor camps of Mexico and SA.

Note the reason why companies outsource to slave labor countries.
Example: 500 American employees, @ $20hr (40 hour week) with just hourly wages figured in. No overtime pay, no healthcare bennies or anything else.
Versus a Mexican company using the same criteria.

American: 500X20X40 = $400,000 X 50 weeks (year) $20,000,000
Mexicanbeing generous with say $2 per HOUR) 500X2X40 = $40,000 X 50 = $2,000,000.

That's an $18, 000,000 dollar savings. Now throw in their health insurance that they get here. Over time. Sick pay, 401K matching, SS matching.. etc etc etc.. And the saving will be more than $25 million.
Even if you considering $10 or $15 per hour here, the savings is still in the millions.

If the economies and wages were closer, Mexicans and SA's wouldn't even wanna come here. People have been migrating since before the bible was written. And walls won't stop them. They can't go south, because there's this whole ocean thing down there. So they gotta go north.

 

[YoursTruly]

You'd have to pay a lot more for everything. Mexico makes everything from avacados to zippers.

Is paying more worth ending slave labor from the countries we get it from? I think so. Not to mention the incentive for American companies either staying here, or coming back to save on transportation cost.

When you get down the nitty gritty on cost of goods, look no further than our very own Federal Reserve. Because it's one of the biggest reasons why $10hr is now a poverty wage in this country. And why $15hr will soon become one.

 

[harmonica]

..need to stop playing around---post troops and a wall......use choppers/drones/etc

They are already arresting U.S. military personnel by the dozens for helping Hispanics breach border controls. How many of those soldiers, cops, etc. do you think have families in Mexico?

ridiculous .......

Ridiculous or not, it is a FACT:

18 US Marines, one sailor arrested for alleged crimes including human smuggling and drug-related offenses - CNNPolitics

1.you said by the dozenS--with an S??!!! hahahahhahaahah --that's not even TWO dozen = you are posting crap = NOT plural with an S = NOT a fact
2. 19 out of 1.3 MILLION !!! wow!!wooooo that's a WHOLE lot
hahahhahahahahhaah

 

[harmonica]

that's a dumbass post
.....you back up the wall with troops patrolling the border--just like many other countries

Unlike "many other countries," America is not a homogeneous country. Unlike "many other countries" Americans are dependent upon people from south of the border for illegal drugs. A wall is NOT going to cure drug habits and a bad national drug policy. Unlike "many other countries" the U.S. has several generations of Americans with families from south of the border.

Just as the wall between East and West Berlin could not stand, neither would a wall between the United States and Mexico. Separating families on the basis that some of the relatives violated a civil misdemeanor WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOUND TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT.

.....sorry you do not know the history, but the Berlin wall worked --it kept them separated
..West and East Berlin were part of ONE city!!! in the SAME country --DUH--very ridiculous and wrong analogy
..so godamn what if they have families south of the border???!!! = what's that got to do with anything??

..fk those families/etc----you are either a citizen of the US or you are not

So what??? The American people went ballistic when we separated undocumented families. When cops, soldiers, politicians, and community leaders... not to mention upper income level Hispanics are having their families separated due to mass deportations, all Hell is going to break loose.

An no, the Berlin Wall did not work. It's one of the reasons it came down. For better or worse, America seems to be committed to its own demise. All the Americans on both sides of the aisle see is a one world / one race / one religion society.

.....you can't understand the Berlin Wall was in a city in the country of Germany..again--that's a very ridiculous and wrong analogy
....fk those families--NO--the American PEOPLE did not go ballistic- it was only the dumbas jackasses who did--lefties/Dems/etc--not ALL the people

The majority of people in power balked at separating families; the media made a big deal of it.

The analogies being thrown out there - well most countries .... are no more relevant than my Berlin Wall analogy. When the wall religionists want other countries to be compared they talk about most countries, when they don't, they have some deflection like you make. At least be honest enough to be consistent.

The Republicans lost the popular vote and the Dems have learned their lesson. They will not get the electoral votes they need to beat Trump, but Trump can only serve one more term if he beats impeachment. Then, you're in for one great big freaking surprise.

The demographic you cater to is becoming a minority with each passing year. Among younger people, you do have a minority and new Dems are becoming of voting age every year. You really need to wake up and see what is going on.

....again--where the heck are your links about ALL these people [ hahahahhahah] '''balking''???!!!

 

[YoursTruly]

The majority of people in power balked at separating families; the media made a big deal of it.

The analogies being thrown out there - well most countries .... are no more relevant than my Berlin Wall analogy. When the wall religionists want other countries to be compared they talk about most countries, when they don't, they have some deflection like you make. At least be honest enough to be consistent.

The Republicans lost the popular vote and the Dems have learned their lesson. They will not get the electoral votes they need to beat Trump, but Trump can only serve one more term if he beats impeachment. Then, you're in for one great big freaking surprise.

The demographic you cater to is becoming a minority with each passing year. Among younger people, you do have a minority and new Dems are becoming of voting age every year. You really need to wake up and see what is going on.

Republicans and democrats are not the solution to anything. In fact, for over 150 years, they've been the cause of most problems. At least problems created by our government.

 

[Crepitus]

You'd have to pay a lot more for everything. Mexico makes everything from avacados to zippers.

Is paying more worth ending slave labor from the countries we get it from? I think so. Not to mention the incentive for American companies either staying here, or coming back to save on transportation cost.

When you get down the nitty gritty on cost of goods, look no further than our very own Federal Reserve. Because it's one of the biggest reasons why $10hr is now a poverty wage in this country. And why $15hr will soon become one.

To me? Yeah.

To yer average tRumpling on the street? I doubt it.

 

[RodISHI]

Prisons and section * housing have been good investments for Democrats like Steyer the fund manager. Probably for many Repugs too.

That is why you need to start thinking outside the box.

Regardless of which side you're on, rational people realize that a wall will not happen. There will be life after Trump and it will be Americans swinging left. It's the nature of the cycles of history and demographics.

There is but one solution and it will not come from the right or the left. Those behind the sides on both sides are playing you.

The swing already went far left and is heading back to the right. Sorry you do not recognize this.

I've been a part of the political scenery since before you were a gleam in your daddy's eyes. I watched Georgia go from ALL Democrat to ALL Republican in every office on every level where I vote - city, county, state and federal levels (all offices.) The last statewide election was decided by less than 1 percent of the vote.

On every piece of empty property in the city I live they are building condos and apartments - and all of those will be occupied by non-whites and non-whites vote for Democrats by LARGE margins. In the next election, Democrats will rule. Our county prosecutor changed parties already in anticipation of the next election.

One county over, it was held by conservatives since Reagan. Today, that seat is occupied by Lucy McBath, a Democrat.

Just a couple of weeks ago, our governor (who ran as a pro gun - anti immigrant type) had to appoint someone to fill the U.S. Senate seat of Johnny Isakson who is retiring with a year left in his Senate term. The POS that our governor appointed has an attorney named Stacey Abrams. Abrams is a black racist that made reparations a part of her campaign.

WTH??? A good ol' boy nominates a woman to the Senate that is cozy with the most radical Democrats in this state AND is friends with the woman who almost beat him in the election????

Trump is limited to the upcoming election. After that no Republican is taking Georgia. Demographics and the mood of the people five years from now. Trump did NOT win the popular vote. He won the electoral vote. Democrats are making sure that the next election will be the last the Republicans win. The Republicans are mostly RINOs.

Kelly Loeffler bought herself a Senate seat appointment and that is an indicator to you that the rest of the country will go Democrat?

Democrats have a bigger plan for doing more fraud in the election process you say, mmm... well I suppose they can try but a whole lot of former Democrats seem to be watching this whole messy affair in DC and don't particularly like what they are seeing. Hell, even old staunch Democrats I know that had stuck with the party to the end are now saying what crooks the Clinton's are.

How completely and utterly fucking stupid! Can ANYONE on this board say anything more stupid than that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG. I have a short fuse for stupidity when people say complete idiotic things to me like they think I'm stupid. My shoe size exceeds your IQ apparently.

No, I do not think that Kelly Loeffler buying a Senate seat is the only thing to be considered. It's WHO she bought it from. She bought it from a Georgia governor ON YOUR SIDE OF THE POLITICAL FENCE!!!!! Add to that, Georgia is a very important swing state that may very well be going left in next year's election. If not then, most definitely in the following election. WTF is it with you people that cannot think long term and see that the world is not doing back flips because another Democrat jumped in to save the sinking Republican Party? No wonder you wound up with two terms of Barack Obama.

No, I do not base my conclusions on a single event or even a single state. I watch the states:

CHART: Democratic Governors Make A Big Comeback Under Trump

Ignorance on your part as I don't have a side in Georgia politics. Some of us vote for the person running for office. We make our decisions on who we vote for or support based on their policy positions and their character regardless of whether they have a D, a R or other by their names.