The liberal mythology of healthcare being a right

[LoneLaugher]

Still stupid.

 

[dblack]

Still stupid.

Maybe if you took some community college courses or something? Don't give up!

 

[Steelplate]

So you don't consider the govt not returning what is rightfully mine, my overpaid taxes, a penalty?

Odd world you reside in. Glad I don't live there.

A lot of us don't get refunds anyway, so when we don't pay, you can bet they'll come looking for it.

I hear ya. I haven't had a return in years. But he got my point none the less. The poor will pay the most. As they always do with liberal policies. Yet, they are so busy at the teet they don't even notice.

you haven't had a return in years, or a refund? If the former, YOU are part of the problem... pay your fucking taxes. If the latter, there's a simple solution... it's called ZERO/NO DEPENDENTS.

 

[Steelplate]

Still stupid.

Maybe if you took some community college courses or something? Don't give up!

Ok... sorry LoneLaugher... you have to admit... that was a funny zinger.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Oh yeah! A real zinger!

 

[Steelplate]

Oh yeah! A real zinger!

Aww... C'mon...It would have been funny if the roles were reversed and it was dblack that set himself up and you who took advantage of it.

Let's not lose our sense of humor... that's the worst thing we can do.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The liberal mythology of healthcare being a right

Actually, its the entitled Socialists on the right who believe they should be able to get free health care just by walking into the emergency room.

Them thar danged LIB-ruls think you you should have to pay for it.

 

[dblack]

The liberal mythology of healthcare being a right

Actually, its the entitled Socialists on the right who believe they should be able to get free health care just by walking into the emergency room.

Them thar danged LIB-ruls think you you should have to pay for it.

I'm never really sure who "on the right" refers to, but libertarians have been bitching about EMTALA since it was passed - warning that it would lead to just the kind of shit they're trying to cram down our throats now. Two wrongs don't make a right. It should be up to hospitals who they treat and who they don't.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Oh yeah! A real zinger!

Aww... C'mon...It would have been funny if the roles were reversed and it was dblack that set himself up and you who took advantage of it.

Let's not lose our sense of humor... that's the worst thing we can do.

I haven't lost anything. I can dig it.

 

[Mr.Nick]

For the sake of this post let's pretend you're right (which you're not).

Every right I can think of involves 2 paths. One to exercise it and one to deny it. Obamacare does the exact opposite. It FORCES you to exercise this so called right. So in essence it oppresses an individuals personal rights to decide for themselves.

You've all been claiming that healthcare is a right so exactly how does this law aid me in EXERCISING my rights? It doesn't, it FORCES me to take a path I may not want to take.

Where is my RIGHT to choose if Obama doesn't offer me a waiver like all his rich friends?

Healtcare isn't a right tho...

In theory it cant be a right...

 

[AmericanFirst]

For the sake of this post let's pretend you're right (which you're not).

Every right I can think of involves 2 paths. One to exercise it and one to deny it. Obamacare does the exact opposite. It FORCES you to exercise this so called right. So in essence it oppresses an individuals personal rights to decide for themselves.

You've all been claiming that healthcare is a right so exactly how does this law aid me in EXERCISING my rights? It doesn't, it FORCES me to take a path I may not want to take.

Where is my RIGHT to choose if Obama doesn't offer me a waiver like all his rich friends?

It is a libtard lie saying healthcare is a right.

 

[Steelplate]

The liberal mythology of healthcare being a right

Actually, its the entitled Socialists on the right who believe they should be able to get free health care just by walking into the emergency room.

Them thar danged LIB-ruls think you you should have to pay for it.

I'm never really sure who "on the right" refers to, but libertarians have been bitching about EMTALA since it was passed - warning that it would lead to just the kind of shit they're trying to cram down our throats now. Two wrongs don't make a right. It should be up to hospitals who they treat and who they don't.

Oh.... that's right... they should be able to refuse service to anyone... Rich, poor, black, white...based on whatever criteria they choose, right?

 

[Wry Catcher]

And by the way FORCING ME TO BUY INSURANCE does NOTHING to expand my so called right to medical care that I couldn't have already done on my own WITHOUT being forced to.

Only if you can afford health insurance. The cost of insurance has snowballed over two + decades and the benefits have shrunk. Citizens through no fault of there own lose their health insurance when they lose their job and if they have an existing condition they are shit out of luck.

Yet, anyone who shows up at a hospital with a medical emergency will receive treatment - hence, health care is a right. The fact is we - the taxpayers - will pay for the medical care of bums, and that means you don't have to buy insurance which makes you and other callous conservatives bums.

You answered your own objection. This law changes nothing except for two things.

1 its forcing people to exercise a so called right

2 its going to drive up costs by FORCING companies to cover everything

Then your so called solution for the poor just makes them poorer because now they have to pay for something they couldn't afford to begin with.


Obama took an imperfect system and made it 10 fold worse with a few minor exceptions contained within the bill.

The Congress passed the first comprehensive health care reform in a generation; that it is not perfect is not Obama's fault, rather it is the fault of those who benefit from the status quo and those who stonewalled honest debate. Whether health care is a right or a privilege isn't the issue, the fact is our nation, the wealthiest the world has ever seen, has fallen prey to demagoguery - good grief, as I'm writing this I'm hearing Ron Paul's 'victory speech' on the TV - how can he celebrate winning less than 7% of the vote. His message is no less an example of demagoguery than those with whom he is competing for the Republican nomination.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

A lot of us don't get refunds anyway, so when we don't pay, you can bet they'll come looking for it.

I hear ya. I haven't had a return in years. But he got my point none the less. The poor will pay the most. As they always do with liberal policies. Yet, they are so busy at the teet they don't even notice.

you haven't had a return in years, or a refund? If the former, YOU are part of the problem... pay your fucking taxes. If the latter, there's a simple solution... it's called ZERO/NO DEPENDENTS.

I have to pay quarterly and it is rarely accurate based on expected income and expenses. In the winter I often pay less because the extra income is better spent in the business. Then in summer I catch up.

The system sucks but being self employed I would sink myself fast any other way.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

For the sake of this post let's pretend you're right (which you're not).

Every right I can think of involves 2 paths. One to exercise it and one to deny it. Obamacare does the exact opposite. It FORCES you to exercise this so called right. So in essence it oppresses an individuals personal rights to decide for themselves.

You've all been claiming that healthcare is a right so exactly how does this law aid me in EXERCISING my rights? It doesn't, it FORCES me to take a path I may not want to take.

Where is my RIGHT to choose if Obama doesn't offer me a waiver like all his rich friends?

It is a libtard lie saying healthcare is a right.

I repeat -

Actually, its the entitled Socialists on the right who believe they should be able to get free health care just by walking into the emergency room.

Its them thar danged LIB-ruls think you you should have to pay for it.

 

[AmericanFirst]

What you are saying is that everyone should be denied the right of access to the AHA because you don't want to exercise yours? Who the fuck are you to decide that?

You don't like that personal choice when it comes to healthcare but you like a socialist system where the gov't. tells you. What an idiot.

 

[Dr Grump]

So you can't answer the op. Thats fine. Please then point out where I made the ridiculous assertion you just claimed.

That's exactly what you are saying... you don't want to exercise your right to Health Care... fine. Great Idea... perhaps there ought to be a law where YOU don't get Health Care at all if you don't want it.... oh wait... YOU want Health Care.... you just don't want to pay for it with your tax dollars.

The topic isn't about me wanting healthcare or not. It's about FORCING it upon me when its supposedly a right. Rights are about freedom, where is the freedom?

LOL...you Yanks and your freedom.....RATFLMAO...

 

[Steelplate]

What you are saying is that everyone should be denied the right of access to the AHA because you don't want to exercise yours? Who the fuck are you to decide that?

You don't like that personal choice when it comes to healthcare but you like a socialist system where the gov't. tells you. What an idiot.

What in THE fuck are you blathering about?

 

[AmericanFirst]

What you are saying is that everyone should be denied the right of access to the AHA because you don't want to exercise yours? Who the fuck are you to decide that?

So you can't answer the op. Thats fine. Please then point out where I made the ridiculous assertion you just claimed.

That's exactly what you are saying... you don't want to exercise your right to Health Care... fine. Great Idea... perhaps there ought to be a law where YOU don't get Health Care at all if you don't want it.... oh wait... YOU want Health Care.... you just don't want to pay for it with your tax dollars.

No, we don't want to pay for deadbeats healthcare who would rather spend their welfare checks on their illegal drugs.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

For the sake of this post let's pretend you're right (which you're not).

Every right I can think of involves 2 paths. One to exercise it and one to deny it. Obamacare does the exact opposite. It FORCES you to exercise this so called right. So in essence it oppresses an individuals personal rights to decide for themselves.

You've all been claiming that healthcare is a right so exactly how does this law aid me in EXERCISING my rights? It doesn't, it FORCES me to take a path I may not want to take.

Where is my RIGHT to choose if Obama doesn't offer me a waiver like all his rich friends?

It is a libtard lie saying healthcare is a right.

I repeat -

Actually, its the entitled Socialists on the right who believe they should be able to get free health care just by walking into the emergency room.

Its them thar danged LIB-ruls think you you should have to pay for it.

the poor are the ones receiving free healthcare in hospitals.

The poor overwhelmingly vote for the democrats.

Your theory falls flat on itself.