The gun used yesterday...was California compliant, it was likely and SKS

[Divine Wind]

There are reports that the shooter used an SKS...an old, Russian rifle that would be California compliant...still waiting for more information....


BREAKING: Congress Baseball Shooter Used SKS, 9mm Handgun - The Truth About Guns

Original reports coming out of the shooting of GOP congress members at a Virginia baseball field reported that the attacker used a firearm “similar to an M4” in the attack. Reports are now emerging (confirmed by multiple sources) that the firearm in use was actually an SKS and a 9mm handgun.

The SKS is a semi-automatic rifle which pre-dates the AK-47 by about four years as a potential battle rifle for the Soviet Red Army. Designed as a top loading stripper clip fed gas operated rifle, the gun has since often been modified to use detachable magazines as well. SKS firearms imported into the United States are predominantly Yugoslavian manufactured, and while Russian and Chinese models are available they remain rare and sought after by collectors. That makes CNN’s statement about the SKS (“a Chinese-made variant of the popular AK rifle”) almost entirely incorrect.

If gun laws are useless, why didn;t that shooter have a silencer on his guns? He could have killed many more if nobody heard his shots. Why aren't silencers used by all bad guys?

This LW shooter was such an idiot, he's lucky not to have shot himself much less think far-enough ahead to have practiced shooting and/or putting a silencer on his rifle.

You're probably right, but that doesn't answer the question. Why don't thugs use silencers? You know they would hide where the shots come from.

My guess is twofold: Most thugs are idiots and silencers are expensive, even without paying for all the legal stuff.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

so let me get this straight.

A mentally ill man with at least three arrests for domestic violence was still able to acquire a military grade weapon, which he used to shoot a Congressman who has spent his career doing the bidding of the National Rampage Association.

Yeah, i can see why you are worried. These scumbags won't come up with laws to protect schoolchildren from these nuts, but they damned well will protect themselves.

Yeah. It seems your laws barring people like him from owning guns are highly noneffective.

But more laws would change that...right?

Dumbass.

Can we agree that the laws on the books right now aren't working and that something should be done?

Actually, since violence is down, the laws are working. Instead of passing more anti-gun laws, why don't we focus upon better mental health care?

Better health care won't solve the gun problem, it's called deflecting.

What gun problem? Guns are no more a problem than shovels or automobiles. Well over half of the "33,000 gun deaths" the anti-gun left loves to screech about are suicides. Are you seriously going to stand by your statement that better mental health care won't help fix that problem?

The US isn't the only place where mental illness occurs. Why aren't the mentally in other countries killing others?


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[iceberg]

And here I thought he had an AR.

Boy I sure wish I would have gotten those Chinese SKSs when they were going for $115 and my friend was trying to talk me into it. I was like "oh screw those Chinese things, I got my guns" Doh!

ARs are more accurate. though.

maybe. but you'll spend an evening cleaning one when done vs. an AK. i also can drag an AK around in the muck and count on it. not so much with an AR. both are great guns for their intended purpose and design, it's just preference after that.

i don't like all the parts you have to know how to use and clean in an AR so i got my AK and am done with it.

 

[Marion Morrison]

And here I thought he had an AR.

Boy I sure wish I would have gotten those Chinese SKSs when they were going for $115 and my friend was trying to talk me into it. I was like "oh screw those Chinese things, I got my guns" Doh!

ARs are more accurate. though.

maybe. but you'll spend an evening cleaning one when done vs. an AK. i also can drag an AK around in the muck and count on it. not so much with an AR. both are great guns for their intended purpose and design, it's just preference after that.

i don't like all the parts you have to know how to use and clean in an AR so i got my AK and am done with it.

No maybe about it. I can't say about a Kalashnikov, but with an SKS after 5-6 shots the pattern opens up to double or more what is was with cold barrel.

 

[iceberg]

And here I thought he had an AR.

Boy I sure wish I would have gotten those Chinese SKSs when they were going for $115 and my friend was trying to talk me into it. I was like "oh screw those Chinese things, I got my guns" Doh!

ARs are more accurate. though.

maybe. but you'll spend an evening cleaning one when done vs. an AK. i also can drag an AK around in the muck and count on it. not so much with an AR. both are great guns for their intended purpose and design, it's just preference after that.

i don't like all the parts you have to know how to use and clean in an AR so i got my AK and am done with it.

No maybe about it. I can't say about a Kalashnikov, but with an SKS after 5-6 shots the pattern opens up to double or more what is was with cold barrel.

in the end i'd never say the AK was a better rifle than the AR - i just prefer it for as little as i actually use either.

 

[Defiant1]

Fuck you no civilian should own one, who are you to judge that? Now one with 3 domestic violence arrests..eh.

Were there any convictions?

Why should that matter? I mean, yeah, I guess if an investigation found he didn't do what he was accused of, you might have a point. But in these cases, it's because the women he beat didn't want to press charges and send him to prison.

It STILL should have been enough to block him from gun ownership.

Agreed about domestic violence and mental illness. Since those are already against the law, how did he get the guns?

As for banning private ownership of all semi-automatic rifles, I disagree.

Okay, laws that don't get enforced are kind of meaningless, and when the NRA isn't blocking gun laws, they are doing a pretty good job of watering down enforcement.

Again, you can't sell guns to people if they aren't scared.

Yes. We all know that most domestic abuse isn't reported because the law favors the abuser.

If she dares to press charges, he will beat her even more.

I speak from experience and when I escaped from AZ, it was without any help from law enforcement. In fact, they made it very clear that if I got beat up, it was because I caused it. He's still at it with wife #4 and still has no official history. IOW, he could legally buy a gun.

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[Mudda]

so let me get this straight.

A mentally ill man with at least three arrests for domestic violence was still able to acquire a military grade weapon, which he used to shoot a Congressman who has spent his career doing the bidding of the National Rampage Association.

Yeah, i can see why you are worried. These scumbags won't come up with laws to protect schoolchildren from these nuts, but they damned well will protect themselves.

Yeah. It seems your laws barring people like him from owning guns are highly noneffective.

But more laws would change that...right?

Dumbass.

Can we agree that the laws on the books right now aren't working and that something should be done?

Actually, since violence is down, the laws are working. Instead of passing more anti-gun laws, why don't we focus upon better mental health care?

Better health care won't solve the gun problem, it's called deflecting.

What gun problem? Guns are no more a problem than shovels or automobiles. Well over half of the "33,000 gun deaths" the anti-gun left loves to screech about are suicides. Are you seriously going to stand by your statement that better mental health care won't help fix that problem?

Most of them were probably wearing jeans, so maybe it's a fashion problem?

 

[BULLDOG]

There are reports that the shooter used an SKS...an old, Russian rifle that would be California compliant...still waiting for more information....


BREAKING: Congress Baseball Shooter Used SKS, 9mm Handgun - The Truth About Guns

Original reports coming out of the shooting of GOP congress members at a Virginia baseball field reported that the attacker used a firearm “similar to an M4” in the attack. Reports are now emerging (confirmed by multiple sources) that the firearm in use was actually an SKS and a 9mm handgun.

The SKS is a semi-automatic rifle which pre-dates the AK-47 by about four years as a potential battle rifle for the Soviet Red Army. Designed as a top loading stripper clip fed gas operated rifle, the gun has since often been modified to use detachable magazines as well. SKS firearms imported into the United States are predominantly Yugoslavian manufactured, and while Russian and Chinese models are available they remain rare and sought after by collectors. That makes CNN’s statement about the SKS (“a Chinese-made variant of the popular AK rifle”) almost entirely incorrect.

If gun laws are useless, why didn;t that shooter have a silencer on his guns? He could have killed many more if nobody heard his shots. Why aren't silencers used by all bad guys?

This LW shooter was such an idiot, he's lucky not to have shot himself much less think far-enough ahead to have practiced shooting and/or putting a silencer on his rifle.

You're probably right, but that doesn't answer the question. Why don't thugs use silencers? You know they would hide where the shots come from.

My guess is twofold: Most thugs are idiots and silencers are expensive, even without paying for all the legal stuff.

The claim is that legal stuff doesn't matter to bad guys anyway. They aren't expensive or hard to make yourself either. If the fact that they are illegal doesn't matter, why aren't all bad guys using silencers?

 

[Marion Morrison]

There are reports that the shooter used an SKS...an old, Russian rifle that would be California compliant...still waiting for more information....


BREAKING: Congress Baseball Shooter Used SKS, 9mm Handgun - The Truth About Guns

Original reports coming out of the shooting of GOP congress members at a Virginia baseball field reported that the attacker used a firearm “similar to an M4” in the attack. Reports are now emerging (confirmed by multiple sources) that the firearm in use was actually an SKS and a 9mm handgun.

The SKS is a semi-automatic rifle which pre-dates the AK-47 by about four years as a potential battle rifle for the Soviet Red Army. Designed as a top loading stripper clip fed gas operated rifle, the gun has since often been modified to use detachable magazines as well. SKS firearms imported into the United States are predominantly Yugoslavian manufactured, and while Russian and Chinese models are available they remain rare and sought after by collectors. That makes CNN’s statement about the SKS (“a Chinese-made variant of the popular AK rifle”) almost entirely incorrect.

If gun laws are useless, why didn;t that shooter have a silencer on his guns? He could have killed many more if nobody heard his shots. Why aren't silencers used by all bad guys?

This LW shooter was such an idiot, he's lucky not to have shot himself much less think far-enough ahead to have practiced shooting and/or putting a silencer on his rifle.

You're probably right, but that doesn't answer the question. Why don't thugs use silencers? You know they would hide where the shots come from.

My guess is twofold: Most thugs are idiots and silencers are expensive, even without paying for all the legal stuff.

The claim is that legal stuff doesn't matter to bad guys anyway. They aren't expensive or hard to make yourself either. If the fact that they are illegal doesn't matter, why aren't all bad guys using silencers?

They may not be mechanically inclined or smart, even.

 

[BULLDOG]

If gun laws are useless, why didn;t that shooter have a silencer on his guns? He could have killed many more if nobody heard his shots. Why aren't silencers used by all bad guys?

This LW shooter was such an idiot, he's lucky not to have shot himself much less think far-enough ahead to have practiced shooting and/or putting a silencer on his rifle.

You're probably right, but that doesn't answer the question. Why don't thugs use silencers? You know they would hide where the shots come from.

My guess is twofold: Most thugs are idiots and silencers are expensive, even without paying for all the legal stuff.

The claim is that legal stuff doesn't matter to bad guys anyway. They aren't expensive or hard to make yourself either. If the fact that they are illegal doesn't matter, why aren't all bad guys using silencers?

They may not be mechanically inclined or smart, even.

Still bullshit. If they were available, they would have them. They aren't available because they are against the law.

 

[Marion Morrison]

This LW shooter was such an idiot, he's lucky not to have shot himself much less think far-enough ahead to have practiced shooting and/or putting a silencer on his rifle.

You're probably right, but that doesn't answer the question. Why don't thugs use silencers? You know they would hide where the shots come from.

My guess is twofold: Most thugs are idiots and silencers are expensive, even without paying for all the legal stuff.

The claim is that legal stuff doesn't matter to bad guys anyway. They aren't expensive or hard to make yourself either. If the fact that they are illegal doesn't matter, why aren't all bad guys using silencers?

They may not be mechanically inclined or smart, even.

Still bullshit. If they were available, they would have them. They aren't available because they are against the law.

Oh, but they're not.

You may have to jump through a hoop, but they're not illegal.

 

[2aguy]

There are reports that the shooter used an SKS...an old, Russian rifle that would be California compliant...still waiting for more information....


BREAKING: Congress Baseball Shooter Used SKS, 9mm Handgun - The Truth About Guns

Original reports coming out of the shooting of GOP congress members at a Virginia baseball field reported that the attacker used a firearm “similar to an M4” in the attack. Reports are now emerging (confirmed by multiple sources) that the firearm in use was actually an SKS and a 9mm handgun.

The SKS is a semi-automatic rifle which pre-dates the AK-47 by about four years as a potential battle rifle for the Soviet Red Army. Designed as a top loading stripper clip fed gas operated rifle, the gun has since often been modified to use detachable magazines as well. SKS firearms imported into the United States are predominantly Yugoslavian manufactured, and while Russian and Chinese models are available they remain rare and sought after by collectors. That makes CNN’s statement about the SKS (“a Chinese-made variant of the popular AK rifle”) almost entirely incorrect.

If gun laws are useless, why didn;t that shooter have a silencer on his guns? He could have killed many more if nobody heard his shots. Why aren't silencers used by all bad guys?

This LW shooter was such an idiot, he's lucky not to have shot himself much less think far-enough ahead to have practiced shooting and/or putting a silencer on his rifle.

You're probably right, but that doesn't answer the question. Why don't thugs use silencers? You know they would hide where the shots come from.

Actually, they do...they use homemade silencers...and guess what, moron......even Shotspotter, the high tech listneing device used in these cities can hear them....

 

[2aguy]

This LW shooter was such an idiot, he's lucky not to have shot himself much less think far-enough ahead to have practiced shooting and/or putting a silencer on his rifle.

You're probably right, but that doesn't answer the question. Why don't thugs use silencers? You know they would hide where the shots come from.

My guess is twofold: Most thugs are idiots and silencers are expensive, even without paying for all the legal stuff.

The claim is that legal stuff doesn't matter to bad guys anyway. They aren't expensive or hard to make yourself either. If the fact that they are illegal doesn't matter, why aren't all bad guys using silencers?

They may not be mechanically inclined or smart, even.

Still bullshit. If they were available, they would have them. They aren't available because they are against the law.

Really...are you that fucking stupid....? Criminals can't get them because it would be against the law......?

 

[2aguy]

You're probably right, but that doesn't answer the question. Why don't thugs use silencers? You know they would hide where the shots come from.

My guess is twofold: Most thugs are idiots and silencers are expensive, even without paying for all the legal stuff.

The claim is that legal stuff doesn't matter to bad guys anyway. They aren't expensive or hard to make yourself either. If the fact that they are illegal doesn't matter, why aren't all bad guys using silencers?

They may not be mechanically inclined or smart, even.

Still bullshit. If they were available, they would have them. They aren't available because they are against the law.

Oh, but they're not.

You may have to jump through a hoop, but they're not illegal.

And the criminals don't jump through hoops......they make them or steal them....

 

[2aguy]

This is the problem with the anti-gunners......they have started a new line of attack on the 2nd Amendment, with the idea to fool the uniformed by pushing the idea that civilians don't need "Weapons of War." Of course, the uninformed think "M4" or "AK"......but the anti-gunners know that just about every gun ever made has been used in war...and is therefore a weapon of war, and according to the 4th Circuit Court of appeals...no longer protected by the 2nd Amendment....

Guy, I was in the Army for 11 years, and probably took apart more guns than you ever will.

That said, the weapon this guy had yesterday was one no civilian had any business owning, much less one with a history of domestic violence and mental illness.

Rifles like this have been used to murder 167 people.......over 34 years......

knives are used to murder people over 1,5000 times a year...

There are well over 8 million of these types of rifle in American hands.....one was used yesterday...can you do the math....

8,000,000 vs. 1

These rifles belong in our hands as a Right.......

 

[2aguy]

There are reports that the shooter used an SKS...an old, Russian rifle that would be California compliant...still waiting for more information....

so let me get this straight.

A mentally ill man with at least three arrests for domestic violence was still able to acquire a military grade weapon, which he used to shoot a Congressman who has spent his career doing the bidding of the National Rampage Association.

Yeah, i can see why you are worried. These scumbags won't come up with laws to protect schoolchildren from these nuts, but they damned well will protect themselves.

Yeah. It seems your laws barring people like him from owning guns are highly noneffective.

But more laws would change that...right?

Dumbass.

Can we agree that the laws on the books right now aren't working and that something should be done?

No....the laws we have are fine....the judicial system is the weakness...they do not put gun criminals in jail for 30 years....

 

[2aguy]

This is the problem with the anti-gunners......they have started a new line of attack on the 2nd Amendment, with the idea to fool the uniformed by pushing the idea that civilians don't need "Weapons of War." Of course, the uninformed think "M4" or "AK"......but the anti-gunners know that just about every gun ever made has been used in war...and is therefore a weapon of war, and according to the 4th Circuit Court of appeals...no longer protected by the 2nd Amendment....

Guy, I was in the Army for 11 years, and probably took apart more guns than you ever will.

That said, the weapon this guy had yesterday was one no civilian had any business owning, much less one with a history of domestic violence and mental illness.

Agreed about domestic violence and mental illness. Since those are already against the law, how did he get the guns?

As for banning private ownership of all semi-automatic rifles, I disagree.

He was never convicted of a crime, and he was never adjudicated mentally ill....that whole due process thing....

 

[2aguy]

There are reports that the shooter used an SKS...an old, Russian rifle that would be California compliant...still waiting for more information....

so let me get this straight.

A mentally ill man with at least three arrests for domestic violence was still able to acquire a military grade weapon, which he used to shoot a Congressman who has spent his career doing the bidding of the National Rampage Association.

Yeah, i can see why you are worried. These scumbags won't come up with laws to protect schoolchildren from these nuts, but they damned well will protect themselves.

Yeah. It seems your laws barring people like him from owning guns are highly noneffective.

But more laws would change that...right?

Dumbass.

Can we agree that the laws on the books right now aren't working and that something should be done?

the laws work fine...if you use a gun to commit a crime you get arrested and go to jail........all the other crap is just to punish law abiding gun owners.

 

[Defiant1]

This is the problem with the anti-gunners......they have started a new line of attack on the 2nd Amendment, with the idea to fool the uniformed by pushing the idea that civilians don't need "Weapons of War." Of course, the uninformed think "M4" or "AK"......but the anti-gunners know that just about every gun ever made has been used in war...and is therefore a weapon of war, and according to the 4th Circuit Court of appeals...no longer protected by the 2nd Amendment....

Guy, I was in the Army for 11 years, and probably took apart more guns than you ever will.

That said, the weapon this guy had yesterday was one no civilian had any business owning, much less one with a history of domestic violence and mental illness.

Rifles like this have been used to murder 167 people.......over 34 years......

knives are used to murder people over 1,5000 times a year...

There are well over 8 million of these types of rifle in American hands.....one was used yesterday...can you do the math....

8,000,000 vs. 1

These rifles belong in our hands as a Right.......

Liberals don't care about rights.
They care about privileges, like voting and not being prosecuted for acts of depravity.

 

[2aguy]

Fuck you no civilian should own one, who are you to judge that? Now one with 3 domestic violence arrests..eh.

Were there any convictions?

Why should that matter? I mean, yeah, I guess if an investigation found he didn't do what he was accused of, you might have a point. But in these cases, it's because the women he beat didn't want to press charges and send him to prison.

It STILL should have been enough to block him from gun ownership.

Agreed about domestic violence and mental illness. Since those are already against the law, how did he get the guns?

As for banning private ownership of all semi-automatic rifles, I disagree.

Okay, laws that don't get enforced are kind of meaningless, and when the NRA isn't blocking gun laws, they are doing a pretty good job of watering down enforcement.

Again, you can't sell guns to people if they aren't scared.

The NRA isn't blocking gun laws....the democrats are blocking long prison sentences for gun crime because too many democrats would be in prison....