The facts on Windpower

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    Heres stuff the proponents of wind energy dont want the public to know..........if they all did, the industry would die in a week. As it is.........it is in its twilight. The reason, quite simply, is economics.

    But for the bigger picture that is the fraud of this energy, read on.............:eusa_dance:






    DRIESSEN: Wind down wind subsidies

    Facts should cause fad to blow over
    By Paul Driessen
    Wednesday, June 6, 2012

    A growing national coalition opposed to perpetuating industrial wind giveaways and mythical wind-power benefits has inspired thousands of Americans to call their senators and representatives - and defeat four different subsidy bills. A shocked American Wind Energy Association (AWEA) began aggressively recruiting well-connected political operatives and co-sponsors, Republican and Democrat alike, who introduced more proposals to extend the production tax credit (PTC). It also launched parallel efforts in many state legislatures.

    To confront AWEA claims, taxpayers and ratepayers should seek an education in wind energy.

    Energy 101: It is impossible to have wind turbines without fossil fuels, especially natural gas. Turbines average only 30 percent of their “rated capacity,” and less than 5 percent on the hottest and coldest days, when electricity is needed most. Hydrocarbon-fired backup generators must run constantly, to avoid brownouts, blackouts and grid destabilization owing to constant surges and fall-offs in electricity to the grid.

    Energy 201:Despite tens of billions in subsidies, wind turbines still generate less than 3 percent of U.S. electricity. Thankfully, conventional sources keep our country running - and America still has centuries of hydrocarbon resources, if only our government would make them available.

    Economics 101:It is impossible to have wind turbines without perpetual subsidies - mostly borrowed from Chinese banks and future generations. There is no credible evidence that wind will be able to compete economically with traditional energy in the foreseeable future, especially with abundant natural gas costing one-fourth what it did just a few years ago. It makes more sense to rely on the plentiful, reliable, affordable electricity sources that have powered our economy for decades, build more coal and gas-fired generators - and recycle wind turbines into useful products (while preserving a few as museum exhibits).

    Economics 201:As Spain, Germany, Britain and other countries have learned, wind-energy mandates and subsidies drive up the price of electricity - for families, factories, hospitals, schools, offices, churches and shops. That means two to four traditional jobs are lost for every wind or other “green” job created. It means the 37,000 jobs that the AWEA claims the U.S. wind industry creates (via $5 billion to $10 billion in combined annual subsidies, or $135,000 to $270,000 per wind job) are likely costing the United States 74,000 to 148,000 traditional jobs every year.

    Environment 101:Industrial wind-turbine projects require enormous quantities of rare-earth metals, concrete, steel, copper, fiberglass and other raw materials; for highly inefficient turbines, multiple backup generators and thousands of miles of high-voltage transmission lines. Extracting and processing these materials, turning them into finished components, and shipping and installing the turbines and power lines involve enormous amounts of fossil fuel and extensive environmental damage.

    Environment 201:Wind turbines, transmission lines and backup generators also require vast amounts of crop, scenic and wildlife habitat land. A typical 600-megawatt coal or gas-fired power plant requires 250 to 750 acres, to generate power 90 percent to 95 percent of the year; a 600-megawatt wind installation needs 40,000 to 50,000 acres (or more), to deliver 30 percent performance. Because wind installations must go where the wind blows, hundreds of miles from our cities - transmission lines add thousands more acres to every project.

    Environment 301:U.S. wind turbines slaughter nearly half a million eagles, hawks, falcons, vultures, ducks, geese, bats and other rare, threatened, endangered and otherwise protected flying creatures every year. But while oil companies are prosecuted for the deaths of even a dozen common ducks, turbine operators have effectively been granted a “007 license to kill” exemption from endangered- and migratory-species laws and penalties.

    Environment 401:Even if carbon dioxide does contribute to climate change, there is no evidence that even thousands of U.S. wind turbines will affect future global temperatures by more than a few hundredths of a degree. Carbon-dioxide emissions from backup generators (and wind-turbine manufacturing) offset any reductions from wind installations, and rapidly increasing emissions from Brazil, China, India, Indonesia and other developing countries dwarf any possible U.S. wind-related CO2 reductions.

    Human Health and Welfare 101: Skyrocketing electricity prices owing to “renewable portfolio standards” raise heating and air-conditioning costs; drive families into fuel poverty; increase food, medical, school and other costs; and force companies to lay off workers, further impairing their families’ health and welfare. Audible and inaudible turbine noise causes fatigue, headaches, dizziness, irritability, sleep problems and vibro-acoustic effects on people’s hearts and lungs. Landowners receive royalties for having turbines on their property, but neighbors receive no income and face adverse health effects, decreased property values and difficulty selling their homes.

    Real World Civics 101: Politicians take billions from taxpayers, ratepayers and profitable businesses to provide subsidies to Big Wind companies, who buy turbines mostly made overseas - and contribute millions to the politicians’ re-election campaigns, to keep the cycle going.

    It is truly government gone wild and is unsustainable. Americans can contact their elected representatives to demand science-based energy policies. These reasons could be a good way to start the conversation.

    Paul Driessen is senior policy adviser for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow and author of “Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death” (Merril Press, 2010).
    DRIESSEN: Wind down wind subsidies - Washington Times




    In other words........its a scam.


    Lets face it.........if you even have half a brain, you realize wind power makes zero sense.:coffee:




    Footnote:The Obama administration has spent 90 billion dollars since 2009 on green energy. It has netted a grand total of 16,100 jobs. Even I couldnt believe this wasnt some kind of a joke.:up:
     
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    Paul Driessen - right wing columnist and lobbyist for big oil, a global warming denier, anti-EPA, wind power, solar power, and any form of energy that can't be pumped out of the ground.
     
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    Texas Hits New Record For Wind Power Generation | StateImpact Texas

    Did it seem windy to you last night? Because at 8:41 p.m. Wednesday, the Texas grid set a new record for wind power generation, reaching 7,599 megawatts.

    The previous record was set the day before, with 7,403 megawatts. Before that, the biggest day of wind power generation in Texas was Oct. 7, 2011, with 7,400 megawatts of power.

    When the record was reached, wind was supplying 22 percent of the grid’s power. That’s not actually a record, it got up to 26 percent last December.

    And we have not even began to tap the potential in Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Nebraska, and Colorado.
     
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    but facts suck, dont they s0n???:2up:
     
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    but not going to come close to cutting it Ray...................


    We can’t build a grid only on wind and solar in Texas - Politics - Renewable energy news - Recharge - wind, solar, biomass, wave/tidal/hydro and geothermal


    And as Ive pointed out, as the taxpaying public becomes more and more aware of the costs, the subsidies will end. That will only happen as these state budget crunches become more and more apparent, as we saw in Wisconsin this week. Until then, most will be in the dark........but eventually, the idealism will be replaced by economic realism. Not a matter of if, but when.

    My support for George Bush ended when I found out how up to his eyeballs he was in for this green crap.

    Ray.....you probably have no idea how much George Bush supported the green industry..............the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007........lined the pockets of his pals in Texas. I'll never forgive him for it.......he knew eventually, it'd die on the vine, but long after he was gone.
     
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    Cant deny what skookerasbil posted so you attack the author... dispute the facts if ya can.


    Oh yeah, you cant :eusa_hand:



    :fu:
     
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    You can these facts?
    "Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please."
    Mark Twain
     
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    Infidel bro......its all he brings to the table on any forum. I expect as much from the lefty k00ks. Information is the enemy of lefties. Always has been..........always will be.
     
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    Wowie --- NPR sure makes you feel good.. I followed the link back to the generator site where all the productions numbers are there for the public to see. RARELY is there a week where that farm averages 30% of it's peak. And at random -- a week looks exactly like this in Texas....

    http://www.ercot.com/content/gridinfo/generation/windintegration/2012/06/ERCOT%20Wind%20Integration%20Report%2006-06-12.pdf

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    And to be fair to NPR and my bud OleRocks --- Here's the week of that record blow..

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    Gee.. Better get the clothes done on Monday because Tuesday we ain't gonna have lights, power or heat...
    Anecdotal NPR stuff doesn't change the grown-up facts given in the OP. We only really need to SHOW these productions graphs on the Nightly News and even those dense Texans (LOL) will figure out what they really want and need..
     
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    Sorry genius.
    Posted by wind. Wouldn't have it any other way. Go turn on your B00B tube, boob.
     

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