The end of the American Dream

[sparky]

word!^^^

they weren't about to come down on their corporate masters either Gip

~S~

 

[francoHFW]

It is not just CEOs but all top level management irrespective of their performance

And you think if someone else makes less that you'll make more?
Or that if someone else makes more then you'll make less?

Experts agree having high tax rates on the richest is the only way to stop this ridiculous CEO pay. Thanks scumbag GOP brainwash and silly Dupes like you all...

WHat a private company pays its people is none of your fucking business

and you won't get paid more if someone else gets paid less

Have you ever worked for a corporation? Because that is PRECISELY how it works... the corporation Division is given a set budget for salaries and pay increases.... if the top takes most of the increase allotted in their payroll budget, then the rest of the employees get less.

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And you think if someone else makes less that you'll make more?
Or that if someone else makes more then you'll make less?

Experts agree having high tax rates on the richest is the only way to stop this ridiculous CEO pay. Thanks scumbag GOP brainwash and silly Dupes like you all...

WHat a private company pays its people is none of your fucking business

and you won't get paid more if someone else gets paid less

Have you ever worked for a corporation? Because that is PRECISELY how it works... the corporation Division is given a set budget for salaries and pay increases.... if the top takes most of the increase allotted in their payroll budget, then the rest of the employees get less.

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

 

[francoHFW]

Likely a cereal rapist

My ass, dupe. The GOP is a giveaway to the rich end of story.
Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

Oh, i remember.....>>>

Long-term disaster he was...lack of money to invest in education training and infrastructure is making us go to hell except for the rich of course.... So now we have the worst inequality and Upward Mobility and poverty ever not to mention the worst BS propaganda machine ever, the only reason they can stay in power is total doops. All downhill since Reagan, s*** heads.
Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 60 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

Blaming Ronnie for our current state of income inequality, is partisan stupidity.

I'm blaming the tax rates he passed which are basically still enforced dumbass

Okay but why not also blame all the presidents since Reagan, since they could have changed things? Particularly your beloved BJ Bubba and Big Ears.

Partisans. Ugh!

Absolutely untrue. Clinton never had 60 votes in the Senate Obama only did 4 three weeks all spent on ACA, and you can't raise taxes in the middle of another corrupt GOP economic meltdown d u h.

 

[francoHFW]

Experts agree having high tax rates on the richest is the only way to stop this ridiculous CEO pay. Thanks scumbag GOP brainwash and silly Dupes like you all...

WHat a private company pays its people is none of your fucking business

and you won't get paid more if someone else gets paid less

Have you ever worked for a corporation? Because that is PRECISELY how it works... the corporation Division is given a set budget for salaries and pay increases.... if the top takes most of the increase allotted in their payroll budget, then the rest of the employees get less.

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

 

[francoHFW]

Experts agree having high tax rates on the richest is the only way to stop this ridiculous CEO pay. Thanks scumbag GOP brainwash and silly Dupes like you all...

WHat a private company pays its people is none of your fucking business

and you won't get paid more if someone else gets paid less

Have you ever worked for a corporation? Because that is PRECISELY how it works... the corporation Division is given a set budget for salaries and pay increases.... if the top takes most of the increase allotted in their payroll budget, then the rest of the employees get less.

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

The Democratic rich want to pay more... They know that a healthy middle class will pay them back... With a healthy economy

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

WHat a private company pays its people is none of your fucking business

and you won't get paid more if someone else gets paid less

Have you ever worked for a corporation? Because that is PRECISELY how it works... the corporation Division is given a set budget for salaries and pay increases.... if the top takes most of the increase allotted in their payroll budget, then the rest of the employees get less.

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

WHat a private company pays its people is none of your fucking business

and you won't get paid more if someone else gets paid less

Have you ever worked for a corporation? Because that is PRECISELY how it works... the corporation Division is given a set budget for salaries and pay increases.... if the top takes most of the increase allotted in their payroll budget, then the rest of the employees get less.

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

The Democratic rich want to pay more... They know that a healthy middle class will pay them back... With a healthy economy

What did the Clintons pay last yr?

 

[francoHFW]

Have you ever worked for a corporation? Because that is PRECISELY how it works... the corporation Division is given a set budget for salaries and pay increases.... if the top takes most of the increase allotted in their payroll budget, then the rest of the employees get less.

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

Because they can afford it they get the most out of the government, and if they don't pay more, they end up with all the new wealth and all the power like they have in the United States under this GOP garbage. Every tax system ever has done it this way, and greedy assholes brainwashing you is not a great reason to change it LOL

 

[francoHFW]

Have you ever worked for a corporation? Because that is PRECISELY how it works... the corporation Division is given a set budget for salaries and pay increases.... if the top takes most of the increase allotted in their payroll budget, then the rest of the employees get less.

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

The Democratic rich want to pay more... They know that a healthy middle class will pay them back... With a healthy economy

What did the Clintons pay last yr?

I believe they paid over 30%. All they do is write books and give speeches as far as making money goes.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The American Dream died in 2012. When Obama started serving his second term.

The American Dream vanished when the MSM decided to distort news and then omit them. So, they can oppress the American people into "believing" what they were reporting was "actual" news. When in fact, most of the MSM admit to this. But yet, they continue their barrage of unsolicited news (aka fake news).

This is so lacking in any intellect it's ridiculous.

It's just brainless partisan politics.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

Because they can afford it they get the most out of the government, and if they don't pay more, they end up with all the new wealth and all the power like they have in the United States under this GOP garbage. Every tax system ever has done it this way, and greedy assholes brainwashing you is not a great reason to change it LOL

Because I can afford it I should pay for those that cannot? Seems odd. I like a flat tax.

 

[chops_]

This is so lacking in any intellect it's ridiculous.

It's just brainless partisan politics.

Nope! You just refuse to see it as that. But then again...nothing really new there.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

The Democratic rich want to pay more... They know that a healthy middle class will pay them back... With a healthy economy

What did the Clintons pay last yr?

I believe they paid over 30%. All they do is write books and give speeches as far as making money goes.

But they are worth over $100mil? Speeches and books are lucrative. So they should pay 70%?

 

[francoHFW]

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

Because they can afford it they get the most out of the government, and if they don't pay more, they end up with all the new wealth and all the power like they have in the United States under this GOP garbage. Every tax system ever has done it this way, and greedy assholes brainwashing you is not a great reason to change it LOL

That’s fine but if CEOs continue to get paid 300x the average employee vs 20x as was in the 80s then you have a self fulfilling prophecy of creating more and more socialists.

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

Because they can afford it they get the most out of the government, and if they don't pay more, they end up with all the new wealth and all the power like they have in the United States under this GOP garbage. Every tax system ever has done it this way, and greedy assholes brainwashing you is not a great reason to change it LOL

Clinton's paid how much in taxes - Google Search

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

Because they can afford it they get the most out of the government, and if they don't pay more, they end up with all the new wealth and all the power like they have in the United States under this GOP garbage. Every tax system ever has done it this way, and greedy assholes brainwashing you is not a great reason to change it LOL

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

Because they can afford it they get the most out of the government, and if they don't pay more, they end up with all the new wealth and all the power like they have in the United States under this GOP garbage. Every tax system ever has done it this way, and greedy assholes brainwashing you is not a great reason to change it LOL

Clinton's paid how much in taxes - Google Search

And you want them to pay double that, correct?

 

[frigidweirdo]

This is so lacking in any intellect it's ridiculous.

It's just brainless partisan politics.

Nope! You just refuse to see it as that. But then again...nothing really new there.

Yes, I refuse to see it as brainless partisan politics.

You've ignored so much, and just focused on what you want to be important. Neither time have you even bothered to make a convincing argument. Just "No, you're wrong".

 

[francoHFW]

And the only way to combat it is with high taxes on the richest... Over the phone with the right information you people would all be Democrats....

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

Because they can afford it they get the most out of the government, and if they don't pay more, they end up with all the new wealth and all the power like they have in the United States under this GOP garbage. Every tax system ever has done it this way, and greedy assholes brainwashing you is not a great reason to change it LOL

Because I can afford it I should pay for those that cannot? Seems odd. I like a flat tax.

Of course you are brainwashed functional moron. That is a giveaway to the rich and screws the non rich, no money to invest in infrastructure, which has been halved since Reagan, and as a matter of fact if you count all taxes state and local and fees We have basically a flat tax system now and it is Wrecking the middle class and the country, despite all the happy news we have the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history, and in any rich country.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

Because they can afford it they get the most out of the government, and if they don't pay more, they end up with all the new wealth and all the power like they have in the United States under this GOP garbage. Every tax system ever has done it this way, and greedy assholes brainwashing you is not a great reason to change it LOL

Because I can afford it I should pay for those that cannot? Seems odd. I like a flat tax.

Of course you are brainwashed functional moron. That is a giveaway to the rich and screws the non rich, no money to invest in infrastructure, which has been halved since Reagan, and as a matter of fact if you count all taxes state and local and fees We have basically a flat tax system now and it is Wrecking the middle class and the country, despite all the happy news we have the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history, and in any rich country.

Income inequality is the WORST in the first world, and getting worse every year.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If I made $100mil at 40% I pay $40mil. How much more do you want me to pay? What tax rate is fair in your opinion? Note that many Democrats are rich too.

Kennedy took the top rates down from 90% to 70%. Sounds fair to me. Plus they don't actually pay that much check out Trump and Romney...

Why is it fair? Please explain. Why should successful people pay for those who are less successful?

Because they can afford it they get the most out of the government, and if they don't pay more, they end up with all the new wealth and all the power like they have in the United States under this GOP garbage. Every tax system ever has done it this way, and greedy assholes brainwashing you is not a great reason to change it LOL

Because I can afford it I should pay for those that cannot? Seems odd. I like a flat tax.

Of course you are brainwashed functional moron. That is a giveaway to the rich and screws the non rich, no money to invest in infrastructure, which has been halved since Reagan, and as a matter of fact if you count all taxes state and local and fees We have basically a flat tax system now and it is Wrecking the middle class and the country, despite all the happy news we have the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history, and in any rich country.

Back to ad hominems. Cannot be civil. Figures. We don’t have a flat tax system when half the country doesn’t pay taxes. I don’t mind paying more if the funds are used correctly. When you grow up we can continue our civil discussion.