The Bible errors, contradictions and villainy.

[JScott]

Evolution between species? i.e. monkey to man? If that's been proven, that's news to me.

Proven to my satisfaction, though NOT monkey to man, but DIVERGENCE from a common anscestor. Of course it's news to you and the other willfully blind!

Proven to your satisfaction? What a crock. What common ancestor and when did the divergence take place?

Well neanderthal might be one step back in the chain.

 

[JScott]

Proven to your satisfaction? What a crock. What common ancestor and when did the divergence take place?

The exact anscestor may not be determined for many years, but they're closing in on it. Estimates of how long ago are in the range of ~5 million years.

May not be determined? It's either proven or it isn't? So, which is it?

Why does it have to be determined at this moment? Some things come with time.

 

[JScott]

Sorry, but your satisfaction does not equal fact. Who ever said that God created everything at the same time?

THE BIBLE!!! Isn't that on what you're basing your opposition to evolution? If you want to stick to the literal word of Genesis, don't tell me that "days" means something different than what we commonly mean it to be.

Ah, no, my opposition to evolution is that it isn't proven, it's theory. And yes, you would have to take the Bible literally, wouldn't you?

Theres way to much evidence to say evolution is only a theory.

 

[JScott]

Ah, no, my opposition to evolution is that it isn't proven, it's theory. And yes, you would have to take the Bible literally, wouldn't you?

It's a fallacy that the Bible has to be taken literally. Much of it is allegory. Since it's obvious that the earth and everything on it wasn't created in days, you have to use the brain God gave you and look at the evidence around you. The only other option I see is that you're saying God lies to us!!!

What's great is that I am free to believe or not believe in the Bible however I choose, and the same goes for you. What I find interesting is that those who choose not to believe can't just mind their own business and leave those who do beleive alone.

You sure have stayed with the discussion long enough.

 

[HUGGY]

The bible is an odd book. it contains the 'old' testament and the 'new' testament.

you have to wonder why god didnt get it right the first time! not only are there contradictions between the 'old' and 'new' testaments, but contradictions within each of them.

some contradictions are so obvious that there are only two ways that xtians can deny them: they either lie or they are so brainwashed that they refuse to, or cannot see them.

for example:

ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

OR NOT

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10

ON THE POWER OF GOD"

"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

OR NOT

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

THOSE IRON CHARIOTS, THEY GET YOU EVERY TIME.

Villainy in the bible:

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament*would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.*

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)*

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)*

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.*

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)*

Onesimus, a slave escaped from his master and paul, sent him back, telling him his duty as a slave was to serve his master!!*

pretty clear that slavery was perfectly*acceptable the jesus and his gang.

Ya just never see anybody show up with hand written stone tablets from God anymore do ya?



I miss that "personal" God touch!

 

[JScott]

The Bible is not an error. The error is in how you interpret it. People make mistakes in taking one verse out of context and using that one verse to make false claims. Like the claim "Jesus never said anything against homosexuality!" That is because he spoke on sexual immorality as a whole. The Bible in both new and old testaments condemns homosexuality.

The creation story is an error. We know from paleontology, biology and geology that the earth was not formed as described and that new species appearred millions of years apart.

Evolution has yet to be proven. The Bible is not in error. Even some so called evidence of evolution has been proven to be a hoax. The earth is not millions of years old. Evolution is just a non-believers excuse to deny the truth.

Theres plenty of evidence to support evolution. "Some" is the operative word. Youre right, the earth isnt millions of years old, its approximately 4.5 billion years old. There are plenty of believers that support evolution.

 

[JScott]

If all creation arguments are nothing more than misinformation and petty quibbling, you shouldn't need me to pick a specific page for you. All you would have to do would be pick one at random and you could easily debunk it.

I was told the info was there in response to my post. Please present it. I mentioned specific topics. Are you too lazy to point out the how they are disproven? This is just a run around, because you KNOW most of what's presented are lies. THAT'S intellectual dishonesty!!!

The info is in the link I provided. the articles are too numerous and too long for me to bother explaining them in my own words. If you are too lazy to use the sites search function, I am not going to do your homework for you. You refuse to read anything from the site because you know it's true. That is intellectual dishonesty.

You never responded to me.

 

[JScott]

Actually, all those branches of science fully support the Biblical account, as explained here.

Don't have time to read the whole site. How about citing specific pages? Past experience with creationist arguments tells me that the real science is buried under misinformation, falsehoods and petty quibbling. If you know the topic well, you should be able to provide us with a better cite than that.

He linked it, you read it, don't use time as an excuse to deny the fact you are wrong.

Im not wrong.

 

[AllieBaba]

Corpus cristus.

What does evolution have to do with the veracity of the bible?

I believe we all evolved from one common ancestor: Adam.

And I think that while we've changed a little, if we met him today he would be familiar to us as anyone now living on this earth.

 

[JScott]

I think its funny how Christians can say, "Well youve taken it out of context, thats not what it means at all." but when it comes to persecuting Muslims..........

Muslims follow a evil religion. The name allah was taken from their old moon god. Mohamed was a pedophile and a liar. That simple. God created the earth long before man made up allah.

Nothing youve stated is fact and its obvious you know nothing about Islam.

 

[JScott]

It's called a THEORY for a reason. No one has proven it either false or true, so it's solely your opinion that it's true. And I completely understand where you are coming from. I see no reason that God couldn't have designed it exactly as we discover it through science, and that scientific fact in no way negates the possibility of an intelligent designer. As a matter of fact, I think it's just the opposite, the more we uncover, the more it points to intelligent design and not randomness.

You don't seem to understand the word 'theory'. It's NOT just someone's opinion, but a scientific explanation for what's observed, backed up by years of accumulated data. It's not a guess or wishful thinking. That's the realm of creationists, who discount evolution without ever adequately explaining what we find in the fossil record and how God could have created everything in "days" when our brains tell us through scientific tests that the whole process took billions of years. Evolution isn't just a matter of randomness, but the result of the Laws of Chemistry and Physics. If you're looking for "intelligent design", THAT'S where it lies.

Evolution is not a proven fact, I understand what the word theory means quite fine. I think you are the one that is confused. When you can say evolution is fact, and proven beyond a doubt, then get back to me. There is absolutely no evidence of evolution between species, none.

When did we decide gravity was a fact?

 

[JScott]

He linked it, you read it, don't use time as an excuse to deny the fact you are wrong.

You're a loon. His cite was worthless. It's a typical creationist trick, baffle 'em with bullshit. I feel I'm right and he hasn't done a thing to prove otherwise.

The site is accurate. It contains true science, unlike what you rely on.

Frankly, I'm not going to waste my time proving my point to you, because you wouldn't listen no matter how convincing the evidence.

What true science did it show?

 

[AllieBaba]

I think its funny how Christians can say, "Well youve taken it out of context, thats not what it means at all." but when it comes to persecuting Muslims..........

Muslims follow a evil religion. The name allah was taken from their old moon god. Mohamed was a pedophile and a liar. That simple. God created the earth long before man made up allah.

Nothing youve stated is fact and its obvious you know nothing about Islam.

*yawn*.

 

[JScott]

You're a loon. His cite was worthless. It's a typical creationist trick, baffle 'em with bullshit. I feel I'm right and he hasn't done a thing to prove otherwise.

The site is accurate. It contains true science, unlike what you rely on.

Frankly, I'm not going to waste my time proving my point to you, because you wouldn't listen no matter how convincing the evidence.

You're not going to point it out to me, because you know how easily I'd be able to debunk it. I'm willing to listen to anything with a sound scientific basis, but you're apparently too scared to back up your own theory. Simply saying your science is "true" means nothing. You have to have the goods.

Hes not going to point anything out because he didnt read it himself.

 

[JScott]

It's called a THEORY for a reason. No one has proven it either false or true, so it's solely your opinion that it's true. And I completely understand where you are coming from. I see no reason that God couldn't have designed it exactly as we discover it through science, and that scientific fact in no way negates the possibility of an intelligent designer. As a matter of fact, I think it's just the opposite, the more we uncover, the more it points to intelligent design and not randomness.

You don't seem to understand the word 'theory'. It's NOT just someone's opinion, but a scientific explanation for what's observed, backed up by years of accumulated data. It's not a guess or wishful thinking. That's the realm of creationists, who discount evolution without ever adequately explaining what we find in the fossil record and how God could have created everything in "days" when our brains tell us through scientific tests that the whole process took billions of years. Evolution isn't just a matter of randomness, but the result of the Laws of Chemistry and Physics. If you're looking for "intelligent design", THAT'S where it lies.

You insist on saying that nobody (but you, I guess) knows what a theory is.

Well here it is:

the·o·ry

noun \ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē\
plural the·o·ries
Definition of THEORY

1
: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2
: abstract thought : speculation

3
: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4
a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5
: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>

6
a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

Based on that, evolution is a theory, and the belief of God as a creator of the universe is also a theory.
Theory - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Put away the logical fallacy that we don't know what a theory is and debate the matter on its merits, retard.

Theory - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

The only problem with the definition youve provided Ms. Big Dog is that it involves facts and evidence.

 

[JScott]

Evolution is not a proven fact, I understand what the word theory means quite fine. I think you are the one that is confused. When you can say evolution is fact, and proven beyond a doubt, then get back to me. There is absolutely no evidence of evolution between species, none.

You're totally wrong. Willful ignorance is a terrible way to use God's gift, your brain. He allowed you to evolve so you would recognize truth when you see it, but instead you chose blind yourself to the evidence that surrounds us.

Okay, let's see your link to independant scientific sources stating that evolution has been proven between species.

When you say "between species" what do you mean?

 

[AllieBaba]

You don't seem to understand the word 'theory'. It's NOT just someone's opinion, but a scientific explanation for what's observed, backed up by years of accumulated data. It's not a guess or wishful thinking. That's the realm of creationists, who discount evolution without ever adequately explaining what we find in the fossil record and how God could have created everything in "days" when our brains tell us through scientific tests that the whole process took billions of years. Evolution isn't just a matter of randomness, but the result of the Laws of Chemistry and Physics. If you're looking for "intelligent design", THAT'S where it lies.

You insist on saying that nobody (but you, I guess) knows what a theory is.

Well here it is:

the·o·ry

noun \&#712;th&#275;-&#601;-r&#275;, &#712;thir-&#275;\
plural the·o·ries
Definition of THEORY

1
: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2
: abstract thought : speculation

3
: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4
a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances &#8212;often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5
: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>

6
a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

Based on that, evolution is a theory, and the belief of God as a creator of the universe is also a theory.
Theory - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Put away the logical fallacy that we don't know what a theory is and debate the matter on its merits, retard.

Theory - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

The only problem with the definition youve provided Ms. Big Dog is that it involves facts and evidence.

Apparently you don't read well.

 

[JScott]

BTW, how does someone like Allie Baba get all those Rep points? Is there some sort of conservo-circle-jerk going on here?!?! Calling people retards sounds like neg rep to me. What say you? Really, I don't care. From what I've seen it seems to be some sort of in-crowd thing, that I really don't have time for. I graduated high school a long time ago.

Sure you did.

Now back to the discussion and away from personal attacks, since you're above them..

Oh wait, no you're not. Which is why I called you a retard. You pretend to be an educated disciple of evolution who is above the logical fallacy of attacking those who don't agree with you..and yet you posted that anyone who thinks that creationism is a theory doesn't know what a theory is.

I know what a fucking theory is, loon, and I know that as it pertains to the creation of the world and the existence of modern man, evolution is a THEORY.

Evolution is a theory that is backed up by mountains of evidence, much like the theory of gravity.

 

[JScott]

You're totally wrong. Willful ignorance is a terrible way to use God's gift, your brain. He allowed you to evolve so you would recognize truth when you see it, but instead you chose blind yourself to the evidence that surrounds us.

Okay, let's see your link to independant scientific sources stating that evolution has been proven between species.

This is where he says that evolution doesn't explain creation.

And we're back to square one.

This is how it goes:

A Christian basher posts a bunch of garbage.
Christians defend their right to their faith.
More Christian bashers climb on board
A few elitists swing by to share their views of the stupidity of Christians and to share a few words about evolution
Christians say evolution is a theory, as is creationism
Bashers say Christians don't know what theory means
Christians provide evidence they do
Bashers then say, "Waaahhht? Evolution has nothing to do with creation!"

And back to square one.

If you werent so darned entertaining Id ignore you.

 

[JScott]

Muslims follow a evil religion. The name allah was taken from their old moon god. Mohamed was a pedophile and a liar. That simple. God created the earth long before man made up allah.

Nothing youve stated is fact and its obvious you know nothing about Islam.

*yawn*.

Typical Ms. Big Dog.