The Bible errors, contradictions and villainy.

[u2scram]

The bible is an odd book. it contains the 'old' testament and the 'new' testament.

you have to wonder why god didnt get it right the first time! not only are there contradictions between the 'old' and 'new' testaments, but contradictions within each of them.

some contradictions are so obvious that there are only two ways that xtians can deny them: they either lie or they are so brainwashed that they refuse to, or cannot see them.

for example:

ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

OR NOT

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10

ON THE POWER OF GOD"

"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

OR NOT

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

THOSE IRON CHARIOTS, THEY GET YOU EVERY TIME.

Villainy in the bible:

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament*would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.*

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)*

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)*

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.*

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)*

Onesimus, a slave escaped from his master and paul, sent him back, telling him his duty as a slave was to serve his master!!*

pretty clear that slavery was perfectly*acceptable the jesus and his gang.

 

[u2scram]

the mental sickness caused by religion was proven by this experiment:


http://tinyurl.com/yekdpoy

George Tamarin proves the evil influence of religion on children

The problem with religion-4: Corrupting the minds of children | Machines Like Us

"In 1966 George Tamarin presented more than a thousand Israeli schoolchildren, aged between eight and fourteen, with the account of the battle of Jericho from the Book of Joshua: with all its murder, rape and brutality...

Tamarin then asked the children a simple moral question: Do you think Joshua and the Israelites acted rightly or not? THE MAJORITY SUPPORTED THE BLOODSHED.

But then...

He presented exactly the same story to a control group. only this time he set the story in china and made the 'hero' a fictitious general min...

"Only 7% approve of General Lin's brutality, and 75% disapproved".

In other words, when their loyalty to religion, (in this case Judaism, but it could be any) was removed from the calculation, the majority of children agreed with the moral judgements that most people would share; that Joshua's action was a deed of barbaric genocide."

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The bible is an odd book. it contains the 'old' testament and the 'new' testament.

you have to wonder why god didnt get it right the first time! not only are there contradictions between the 'old' and 'new' testaments, but contradictions within each of them.

some contradictions are so obvious that there are only two ways that xtians can deny them: they either lie or they are so brainwashed that they refuse to, or cannot see them.

for example:

ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

OR NOT

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10

Interesting that you are using a passage about the folly of human vanity to prove that the Bible contradicts itself. Personally I always prefer to quote Ecclesiastes 1:10 when dealing with people who think they are doing something that has never been done before.

Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

People like you have been around for before and, and will be around forever.

ON THE POWER OF GOD"

"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

OR NOT

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

THOSE IRON CHARIOTS, THEY GET YOU EVERY TIME.

Where is the contradiction here? The first is Jesus telling his disciples that riches would not get them into heaven despite the belief at the time that riches meant a man was blessed by God and had a guaranteed ticket. The second is about a battle between a single tribe of Israel and how they failed to clear the land they were allotted. Saying they contradict each other is like saying that the moon contradicts Saturn.

Villainy in the bible:

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament*would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.*

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)*

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)*

How does the fact that Paul instructed Christian brothers who, under the law of that existed at the time, to obey his master and serve him the same way he would serve Jesus means the same thing as him telling people to obey the law? The general gist here is that all authority is appointed by God, and that to disobey that authority is to disobey God. I know your small mind has trouble grasping large concepts, but that is not condoning anything other than obedience to civil authority. If you wanted to make a case for villainy you should find a place where it tells people to rebel against the government and kill everyone.

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.*

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)*

Do you know what a parable is? This is a warning to Christians not to wonder when Jesus is coming back, and to think that, as a result of any percieved delay, that he will not return. It has absolutely nothing to do with slavery.

Onesimus, a slave escaped from his master and paul, sent him back, telling him his duty as a slave was to serve his master!!*

pretty clear that slavery was perfectly*acceptable the jesus and his gang. [/quote]

Paul urging a man who is essentially a wanted felon to go back and face the punishment due him for breaking the law, is wrong. On top of that, he sent a letter along with him urging his master, a man known to Paul, to forgive him and accept him back without punishment. He is asking Philemon to rejoice along with Paul that he has a new brother in Christ, and to charge any legitimate claim he has against Onesimus to Paul's account.

Amazing that this is a bad thing in your universe.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

the mental sickness caused by religion was proven by this experiment:


The problem with religion-4: Corrupting the minds of children | Machines Like Us

George Tamarin proves the evil influence of religion on children

The problem with religion-4: Corrupting the minds of children | Machines Like Us

"In 1966 George Tamarin presented more than a thousand Israeli schoolchildren, aged between eight and fourteen, with the account of the battle of Jericho from the Book of Joshua: with all its murder, rape and brutality...

Tamarin then asked the children a simple moral question: Do you think Joshua and the Israelites acted rightly or not? THE MAJORITY SUPPORTED THE BLOODSHED.

But then...

He presented exactly the same story to a control group. only this time he set the story in china and made the 'hero' a fictitious general min...

"Only 7% approve of General Lin's brutality, and 75% disapproved".

In other words, when their loyalty to religion, (in this case Judaism, but it could be any) was removed from the calculation, the majority of children agreed with the moral judgements that most people would share; that Joshua's action was a deed of barbaric genocide."

Actually, all that proves is the author's bias.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Quantum, the anti-religious wacks are what they are, whether the wacks on this board or the Mahers or whomever else. All we can we do is pray for them and hope the best for them.

 

[amrchaos]

I have a question

If one is with god, all things are possible, then why can't Judah drive out the Iron Chariots of the valley?

Is it possible that Judah was not with God, or being with does everything possible, or are Iron Chariots an exception to the abilities of God.

Just asking, since you miss the contradiction.

 

[Smartt33]

The bible is an odd book. it contains the 'old' testament and the 'new' testament.

you have to wonder why god didnt get it right the first time! not only are there contradictions between the 'old' and 'new' testaments, but contradictions within each of them.

some contradictions are so obvious that there are only two ways that xtians can deny them: they either lie or they are so brainwashed that they refuse to, or cannot see them.

for example:

ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

OR NOT

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10

ON THE POWER OF GOD"

"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

OR NOT

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

THOSE IRON CHARIOTS, THEY GET YOU EVERY TIME.

Villainy in the bible:

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament*would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.*

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)*

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)*

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.*

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)*

Onesimus, a slave escaped from his master and paul, sent him back, telling him his duty as a slave was to serve his master!!*

pretty clear that slavery was perfectly*acceptable the jesus and his gang.

The Bible was written by man, through his current perspective, based upon his current knowledge. The exception is when God gives unknown information to the writer.

I love these challenges, and I personally don't stray away from the possibility of the Bible having an error or so.

I will look at these, and learn from them. That is what I do, learn.

I may reture with a new post on this.

 

[Smartt33]

the mental sickness caused by religion was proven by this experiment:


The problem with religion-4: Corrupting the minds of children | Machines Like Us

George Tamarin proves the evil influence of religion on children

The problem with religion-4: Corrupting the minds of children | Machines Like Us

"In 1966 George Tamarin presented more than a thousand Israeli schoolchildren, aged between eight and fourteen, with the account of the battle of Jericho from the Book of Joshua: with all its murder, rape and brutality...

Tamarin then asked the children a simple moral question: Do you think Joshua and the Israelites acted rightly or not? THE MAJORITY SUPPORTED THE BLOODSHED.

But then...

He presented exactly the same story to a control group. only this time he set the story in china and made the 'hero' a fictitious general min...

"Only 7% approve of General Lin's brutality, and 75% disapproved".

In other words, when their loyalty to religion, (in this case Judaism, but it could be any) was removed from the calculation, the majority of children agreed with the moral judgements that most people would share; that Joshua's action was a deed of barbaric genocide."

The only problem with this story, if it is true, Tamarin was a liar. Where was the "murder, rape and brutality... " In a true war, there is no murder. There is total win, or a never ending battle. God taught the Israelites that wars were to be totally won. Total destruction. Total means that complete control, for righteousness was taken.

In this case, there was no murder, no rapoe, and no brutality.

You have to admit that likely the majority of people in the world do have some reverence for God, and Ig God directed a war, they would likely say he was right i doing so. That is just respect.

If there is no God, we got it wrong. If there is a God, lots of people have a surprise waiting for them.

 

[Avatar4321]

The Bible is a collection of books written by man about their experiences with God. There is a quote from Brigham Young that I love on the matter:

I have heard some make the broad assertion that every word within the lids of the Bible was the word of God. I have said to them, "You have never read the Bible, have you?" "O, yes, and I believe every word in it is the word of God." Well, I believe that the Bible contains the word of God, and the words of good men and the words of bad men; the words of good angels and the words of bad angels and words of the devil; and also the words uttered by the ass when he rebuked the prophet in his madness. I believe the words of the Bible are just what they are; but aside from that I believe the doctrines concerning salvation contained in that book are true, and that their observance will elevate any people, nation or family that dwells on the face of the earth. The doctrines contained in the Bible will lift to a superior condition all who observe them; they will impart to them knowledge, wisdom, charity, fill them with compassion and cause them to feel after the wants of those who are in distress, or in painful or degraded circumstances. - Journal of Discourses 13:175 (May 29, 1870)

Sums up my position fairly well. The idea that we need a perfect book to point us to a perfect God is ludicrous. It's the doctrines that are important. Not only that, but we are supposed to live off every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God (Duet 8:3). We aren't supposed to rely solely on the Bible. Heck, the New Testament is full of rebukes against the Pharisees and others who supposed that God was silent. That was the whole point of Christ sending the Holy Ghost, that we can learn the Truth for ourselves.

 

[Avatar4321]

If there is no God, we got it wrong. If there is a God, lots of people have a surprise waiting for them.

No point acting as if we are just playing the odds. God reveals Himself to man. We all need to find out for ourselves.

 

[syrenn]

The bible is an odd book. it contains the 'old' testament and the 'new' testament.

you have to wonder why god didnt get it right the first time! not only are there contradictions between the 'old' and 'new' testaments, but contradictions within each of them.

some contradictions are so obvious that there are only two ways that xtians can deny them: they either lie or they are so brainwashed that they refuse to, or cannot see them.

for example:

ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

OR NOT

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10

ON THE POWER OF GOD"

"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

OR NOT

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

THOSE IRON CHARIOTS, THEY GET YOU EVERY TIME.

Villainy in the bible:

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament*would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.*

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)*

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)*

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.*

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)*

Onesimus, a slave escaped from his master and paul, sent him back, telling him his duty as a slave was to serve his master!!*

pretty clear that slavery was perfectly*acceptable the jesus and his gang.

And here is the base difference, since this is a pardoy thread.

Isnt nice that you can say what you want about the bible, god and everything else? Criticize it and laugh. Point out all of its errors and contradictions, burn it in the end, and still live.

Isn't it nice to not have a fatwa put out on your ass to have you head in a basket for the hearsay you speak?

 

[AmericanFirst]

The bible is an odd book. it contains the 'old' testament and the 'new' testament.

you have to wonder why god didnt get it right the first time! not only are there contradictions between the 'old' and 'new' testaments, but contradictions within each of them.

some contradictions are so obvious that there are only two ways that xtians can deny them: they either lie or they are so brainwashed that they refuse to, or cannot see them.

for example:

ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

OR NOT

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10

ON THE POWER OF GOD"

"... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

OR NOT

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

THOSE IRON CHARIOTS, THEY GET YOU EVERY TIME.

Villainy in the bible:

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament*would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.*

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)*

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)*

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.*

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)*

Onesimus, a slave escaped from his master and paul, sent him back, telling him his duty as a slave was to serve his master!!*

pretty clear that slavery was perfectly*acceptable the jesus and his gang.

Maybe you should actually learn how to interpret the Bible before you make false statements. Jesus fulfilled every prophecy in the old testament about the Messiah. The old testament is the book of laws and history. The new testament is the book of salvation or GODS GIFT OR GRACE. God does not make mistakes, you do in your interpretation.

 

[uscitizen]

Well other than some historical stuff and who beget who stuff the bible is an error.

or at least it cannot be proven to be true.

 

[AmericanFirst]

the mental sickness caused by religion was proven by this experiment:


The problem with religion-4: Corrupting the minds of children | Machines Like Us

George Tamarin proves the evil influence of religion on children

The problem with religion-4: Corrupting the minds of children | Machines Like Us

"In 1966 George Tamarin presented more than a thousand Israeli schoolchildren, aged between eight and fourteen, with the account of the battle of Jericho from the Book of Joshua: with all its murder, rape and brutality...

Tamarin then asked the children a simple moral question: Do you think Joshua and the Israelites acted rightly or not? THE MAJORITY SUPPORTED THE BLOODSHED.

But then...

He presented exactly the same story to a control group. only this time he set the story in china and made the 'hero' a fictitious general min...

"Only 7% approve of General Lin's brutality, and 75% disapproved".

In other words, when their loyalty to religion, (in this case Judaism, but it could be any) was removed from the calculation, the majority of children agreed with the moral judgements that most people would share; that Joshua's action was a deed of barbaric genocide."

For one thing the Bible does not support your lying claim that Joshua and the Israelites committed rape. God told Joshua to destroy Jericho. He also told them not to take the treasure, but a few Israelites disobeyed. God punished them for it. So before you go blaming God you better have your facts straight, which you do not. God ordered the Israelites to destroy it's enemies for a purpose. One to take the land and two to destroy pagans who worshiped false gods and sinned greatly.

 

[uscitizen]

The scripture as I recall said to kill all who did not flee before them women, children and even animals. I am sure the animals worshipped false gods.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Quantum, the anti-religious wacks are what they are, whether the wacks on this board or the Mahers or whomever else. All we can we do is pray for them and hope the best for them.

Amen

 

[AmericanFirst]

Well other than some historical stuff and who beget who stuff the bible is an error.

or at least it cannot be proven to be true.

The Bible is not an error. The error is in how you interpret it. People make mistakes in taking one verse out of context and using that one verse to make false claims. Like the claim "Jesus never said anything against homosexuality!" That is because he spoke on sexual immorality as a whole. The Bible in both new and old testaments condemns homosexuality.

 

[konradv]

Well other than some historical stuff and who beget who stuff the bible is an error.

or at least it cannot be proven to be true.

The Bible is not an error. The error is in how you interpret it. People make mistakes in taking one verse out of context and using that one verse to make false claims. Like the claim "Jesus never said anything against homosexuality!" That is because he spoke on sexual immorality as a whole. The Bible in both new and old testaments condemns homosexuality.

The creation story is an error. We know from paleontology, biology and geology that the earth was not formed as described and that new species appearred millions of years apart.

 

[California Girl]

Well other than some historical stuff and who beget who stuff the bible is an error.

or at least it cannot be proven to be true.

Seriously, US, all you do is prove that you are not terribly bright.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'm often amazed at how well god and religion haters have read the bible.

Did you read it cover to cover making notes? If so, that's truly amazing.

However I suspect you got this 2nd hand from someone else that did not read the book and therefore don't know the context of what was being written about.