The Bible errors, contradictions and villainy.

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    The bible is an odd book. it contains the 'old' testament and the 'new' testament.

    you have to wonder why god didnt get it right the first time! not only are there contradictions between the 'old' and 'new' testaments, but contradictions within each of them.

    some contradictions are so obvious that there are only two ways that xtians can deny them: they either lie or they are so brainwashed that they refuse to, or cannot see them.

    for example:

    ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

    OR NOT

    "... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10 :cool:

    ON THE POWER OF GOD"

    "... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

    OR NOT

    "...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

    THOSE IRON CHARIOTS, THEY GET YOU EVERY TIME. :lol:

    Villainy in the bible:

    You would think that Jesus and the New Testament*would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.*

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)*

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)*

    In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.*

    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)*

    Onesimus, a slave escaped from his master and paul, sent him back, telling him his duty as a slave was to serve his master!!*

    pretty clear that slavery was perfectly*acceptable the jesus and his gang. :cuckoo:
     
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    the mental sickness caused by religion was proven by this experiment:


    http://tinyurl.com/yekdpoy

    George Tamarin proves the evil influence of religion on children

    The problem with religion-4: Corrupting the minds of children | Machines Like Us

    "In 1966 George Tamarin presented more than a thousand Israeli schoolchildren, aged between eight and fourteen, with the account of the battle of Jericho from the Book of Joshua: with all its murder, rape and brutality...

    Tamarin then asked the children a simple moral question: Do you think Joshua and the Israelites acted rightly or not? THE MAJORITY SUPPORTED THE BLOODSHED.

    But then...

    He presented exactly the same story to a control group. only this time he set the story in china and made the 'hero' a fictitious general min...

    "Only 7% approve of General Lin's brutality, and 75% disapproved".

    In other words, when their loyalty to religion, (in this case Judaism, but it could be any) was removed from the calculation, the majority of children agreed with the moral judgements that most people would share; that Joshua's action was a deed of barbaric genocide."
     
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    Interesting that you are using a passage about the folly of human vanity to prove that the Bible contradicts itself. Personally I always prefer to quote Ecclesiastes 1:10 when dealing with people who think they are doing something that has never been done before.

    People like you have been around for before and, and will be around forever.

    Where is the contradiction here? The first is Jesus telling his disciples that riches would not get them into heaven despite the belief at the time that riches meant a man was blessed by God and had a guaranteed ticket. The second is about a battle between a single tribe of Israel and how they failed to clear the land they were allotted. Saying they contradict each other is like saying that the moon contradicts Saturn.

    How does the fact that Paul instructed Christian brothers who, under the law of that existed at the time, to obey his master and serve him the same way he would serve Jesus means the same thing as him telling people to obey the law? The general gist here is that all authority is appointed by God, and that to disobey that authority is to disobey God. I know your small mind has trouble grasping large concepts, but that is not condoning anything other than obedience to civil authority. If you wanted to make a case for villainy you should find a place where it tells people to rebel against the government and kill everyone.


    Do you know what a parable is? This is a warning to Christians not to wonder when Jesus is coming back, and to think that, as a result of any percieved delay, that he will not return. It has absolutely nothing to do with slavery.

    Onesimus, a slave escaped from his master and paul, sent him back, telling him his duty as a slave was to serve his master!!*

    pretty clear that slavery was perfectly*acceptable the jesus and his gang. :cuckoo:[/quote]

    Paul urging a man who is essentially a wanted felon to go back and face the punishment due him for breaking the law, is wrong. On top of that, he sent a letter along with him urging his master, a man known to Paul, to forgive him and accept him back without punishment. He is asking Philemon to rejoice along with Paul that he has a new brother in Christ, and to charge any legitimate claim he has against Onesimus to Paul's account.

    Amazing that this is a bad thing in your universe.
     
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    Actually, all that proves is the author's bias.
     
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    Quantum, the anti-religious wacks are what they are, whether the wacks on this board or the Mahers or whomever else. All we can we do is pray for them and hope the best for them.
     
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    I have a question

    If one is with god, all things are possible, then why can't Judah drive out the Iron Chariots of the valley?

    Is it possible that Judah was not with God, or being with does everything possible, or are Iron Chariots an exception to the abilities of God.

    Just asking, since you miss the contradiction.
     
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    The Bible was written by man, through his current perspective, based upon his current knowledge. The exception is when God gives unknown information to the writer.

    I love these challenges, and I personally don't stray away from the possibility of the Bible having an error or so.

    I will look at these, and learn from them. That is what I do, learn.

    I may reture with a new post on this.
     
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    The only problem with this story, if it is true, Tamarin was a liar. Where was the "murder, rape and brutality... " In a true war, there is no murder. There is total win, or a never ending battle. God taught the Israelites that wars were to be totally won. Total destruction. Total means that complete control, for righteousness was taken.

    In this case, there was no murder, no rapoe, and no brutality.

    You have to admit that likely the majority of people in the world do have some reverence for God, and Ig God directed a war, they would likely say he was right i doing so. That is just respect.

    If there is no God, we got it wrong. If there is a God, lots of people have a surprise waiting for them.
     
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    The Bible is a collection of books written by man about their experiences with God. There is a quote from Brigham Young that I love on the matter:

    Sums up my position fairly well. The idea that we need a perfect book to point us to a perfect God is ludicrous. It's the doctrines that are important. Not only that, but we are supposed to live off every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God (Duet 8:3). We aren't supposed to rely solely on the Bible. Heck, the New Testament is full of rebukes against the Pharisees and others who supposed that God was silent. That was the whole point of Christ sending the Holy Ghost, that we can learn the Truth for ourselves.
     
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    No point acting as if we are just playing the odds. God reveals Himself to man. We all need to find out for ourselves.
     

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