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thats exactly ityou know, it's always bugged me that they spent 70 million dollars investigating a failed land deal/blue dress, but only 7 million investigating 9/11...
however, thinking that there was some type of demolition in downtown manhattan that no one in the world knew about and that they're still able to keep "secret" is just.... well, silliness....
the 9.11 commission seems like it didn't go far enough because it didn't. but not because Tom Kean, et al., were conspiring to hide an intentional act. They came to an agreement, in advance, that they wouldn't lay blame on either party or any president for dropping the ball. THAT is why there are holes and inconsistencies... THAT is the cover the committee gave them....
George Bush didn't allow anyone to intentionally blow up the towers.
did they take advantage of the situation to foster their agenda?
heck yeah.
exactly, it was a political CYA covering the political mess ups that allowed it to get to the point it got
Given that this was the greatest loss of civilian life on US soil perpetrated by a foreign agent in the 233-year history of this country, its not particularly surprising that the official report would not lay blame on anyone.
But conspiracy theorists then make this enormous leap in logic that the report was a cover-up. Conspiracy theorists always make enormous leaps in logic in an attempt to find explanation for actions that don't fit nicely and neatly into a readily-made and easy-to-understand explanation. Conspiracy theorists have little understanding of the nature of randomness.
you know, it's always bugged me that they spent 70 million dollars investigating a failed land deal/blue dress, but only 7 million investigating 9/11...
however, thinking that there was some type of demolition in downtown manhattan that no one in the world knew about and that they're still able to keep "secret" is just.... well, silliness....
the 9.11 commission seems like it didn't go far enough because it didn't. but not because Tom Kean, et al., were conspiring to hide an intentional act. They came to an agreement, in advance, that they wouldn't lay blame on either party or any president for dropping the ball. THAT is why there are holes and inconsistencies... THAT is the cover the committee gave them....
George Bush didn't allow anyone to intentionally blow up the towers.
did they take advantage of the situation to foster their agenda?
heck yeah.
exactly, it was a political CYA covering the political mess ups that allowed it to get to the point it got
Given that this was the greatest loss of civilian life on US soil perpetrated by a foreign agent in the 233-year history of this country, its not particularly surprising that the official report would not lay blame on anyone.
really...in your world that is just a given is it...agency's will falsify data..destroy evidence
lie..but just in a good ol boy kind of way...so they are not really hiding anything in this double think because you all know what they are hiding and their intent...I see
But conspiracy theorists then make this enormous leap in logic that the report was a cover-up
we have already determined a cover-up the questions remaining are what and why
in an attempt to find explanation for actions that don't fit nicely and neatly into a readily-made and easy-to-understand explanation.
you mean like the child like simplicity of the official conspiracy theory has.. if unscrutinized
Conspiracy theorists have little understanding of the nature of randomness
and what of probability...the official story is one perfect storm moment after another after another after another....
“There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version"
Damn, sure proof that the current analysis is wrong.
(Pardon my interruption; carry on)
Hi Si Modo:
“There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version"
Damn, sure proof that the current analysis is wrong.
(Pardon my interruption; carry on)
The OP Presentation is much too complicated for the typical USMB member/reader to digest in a kabillion years. Let's agree that the typical reader of this USMB Conspiracy Theories Forum will read about one paragraph and continue believing Loyal Bushie/Obama LIES no matter what anybody says. The 911Commission Report (585 Pages = link) is completely bogus and represents a doctored document containing anything but 'the' 911Truth. All debate about this ridiculous 911Commission Report should 'begin' and 'end' with the absolute truth that the term 'explosions' (plural) has been keyword sanitized out of the document by the DoD-controlled FBI.
Try to imagine being a Govt-paid employee responsible for the content of the 911Commission Report and the term "explosions" has been deliberately excluded. Then realize that the singular term "explosion" appears exactly 'six' (6) times 'and' that the same exact pattern is present in the Arlington County After-Action Report (link) where "explosions" was also deliberately removed from the Officially-sworn Documentation! And yes, the singular term "explosion" was also used exactly six (6) times.
Another interesting fact is that the only mentions of any 'explosion' makes reference to the 9:38 AM AA77 Jetliner crash, when the Official FAA Timeline says the aircraft crashed into the Pentagon at 9:32 AM (link = clock pics from my 9:31 Topic). And yes, the times of 9:31 and 9:32 have also been keyword sanitized from the document.
The bottom line is that the Govt IS LYING, because 9/11 was DEFINITELY an Inside Job (my Blog); and debating the facts about a keyword sanitized document is effort thrown after complete foolishness . . .
PS. The keyword sanitation of these two bogus Govt documents is reason #10 that the USA will definitely be destroyed (my Topic). The fact that nobody in Govt even notices that the term 'explosions' has been deleted from these Govt-produced 9/11 Documents is reason enough for the Creator to destroy the entire nation. We The Stupid Sheeple are simply TOO STUPID to continue existing as a self-governed country . . .
GL,
Terral
well done.of course you couldnt have said it betterHi Si Modo:
“There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version"
Damn, sure proof that the current analysis is wrong.
(Pardon my interruption; carry on)
The OP Presentation is much too complicated for the typical USMB member/reader to digest in a kabillion years. Let's agree that the typical reader of this USMB Conspiracy Theories Forum will read about one paragraph and continue believing Loyal Bushie/Obama LIES no matter what anybody says. The 911Commission Report (585 Pages = link) is completely bogus and represents a doctored document containing anything but 'the' 911Truth. All debate about this ridiculous 911Commission Report should 'begin' and 'end' with the absolute truth that the term 'explosions' (plural) has been keyword sanitized out of the document by the DoD-controlled FBI.
Try to imagine being a Govt-paid employee responsible for the content of the 911Commission Report and the term "explosions" has been deliberately excluded. Then realize that the singular term "explosion" appears exactly 'six' (6) times 'and' that the same exact pattern is present in the Arlington County After-Action Report (link) where "explosions" was also deliberately removed from the Officially-sworn Documentation! And yes, the singular term "explosion" was also used exactly six (6) times.
Another interesting fact is that the only mentions of any 'explosion' makes reference to the 9:38 AM AA77 Jetliner crash, when the Official FAA Timeline says the aircraft crashed into the Pentagon at 9:32 AM (link = clock pics from my 9:31 Topic). And yes, the times of 9:31 and 9:32 have also been keyword sanitized from the document.
The bottom line is that the Govt IS LYING, because 9/11 was DEFINITELY an Inside Job (my Blog); and debating the facts about a keyword sanitized document is effort thrown after complete foolishness . . .
PS. The keyword sanitation of these two bogus Govt documents is reason #10 that the USA will definitely be destroyed (my Topic). The fact that nobody in Govt even notices that the term 'explosions' has been deleted from these Govt-produced 9/11 Documents is reason enough for the Creator to destroy the entire nation. We The Stupid Sheeple are simply TOO STUPID to continue existing as a self-governed country . . .
GL,
Terral
could not have said it better.
nice strawmenthis clip is very interesting to me first his facial and eye movements are classic traits of a liar...watch how his eyes constantly look up and to the left for no apparent reason...and then his testimony...he claims to have actually seen the wings folded back and slip inside along with the fuselage,,,at 500 miles an hour...lol
YouTube - 9/11 Pentagon Attack Eyewitness Mike Walter
everything he said was the truth, you showed no lies, other than your own
I'd like to tell him he is the one with the conspiracy theories.He obviously isnt aware of what that reporter said in that video I posted where he reported on the site saying there was no evidence of debris of an airliner.LOL.this clip is very interesting to me first his facial and eye movements are classic traits of a liar...watch how his eyes constantly look up and to the left for no apparent reason...and then his testimony...he claims to have actually seen the wings folded back and slip inside along with the fuselage,,,at 500 miles an hour...lol
YouTube - 9/11 Pentagon Attack Eyewitness Mike Walter
He is obviously not like Clinton.This guy doesnt believe his lies he is telling so you see him demonstrate the traits of lying where with Clinton,he did a much better job of concealing his lies cause he lies so mcuh in his life that he actually believes all his lies he tells so he never demonstrated those traits.This guy obviously knows he is lying so he is hunting for the next words to say.Senator Max Cleland Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned December 2003. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1996-2002. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. Administrator of U.S. Veterans Administration 1977-1981. Awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for U.S. Army bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.
Boston Globe Article 11/13/03: "If this decision stands [to limit 9/11 Commission access to White House documents], I, as a member of the commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised."
Boston.com... - Link to Boston Globe article
Article 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission: "It is a national scandal." http://dir.salon.com/story/...
YouTube - 9/11 Families Ask commission member to resign
There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version, Kerrey said. The commission had limited time and limited resources to pursue its investigation, and its access to key documents and witnesses was fettered by the administration.
Commissioner Tim Roemer, speaking to CNN, stated that Commission members were considering a criminal probe of false statements. As quoted,
We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting, Roemer told CNN. We were not sure of the intent, whether it was to deceive the commission or merely part of the fumbling bureaucracy.
The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.
John J. Farmer, Jr., Senior Counsel, 9/11 Commission Former Attorney General of the State of New Jersey. Former Chief Counsel to former New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman. Former Commissioner of the State Commission of Investigations. Former Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey.
Washington Post Article 8/2/06 - "Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate. ...
"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. ... This is not spin. This is not true." http://www.washingtonpost
"We, to this day, don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. ... It's one of those loose ends that never got tied." http://www.washington
Without Precedent, a book about the 9/11 Commission authored by Chairman Thomas Kean and Vice-Chairman Lee Hamilton 8/4/06: "Fog of war could explain why some people were confused on the day of 9/11, but it could not explain why all of the after-action reports, accident investigations and public testimony by FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue." washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines
The commissions mandate was sweeping and it explicitly included the intelligence agencies. But the recent revelations that the C.I.A. destroyed videotaped interrogations of Qaeda operatives leads us to conclude that the agency failed to respond to our lawful requests for information about the 9/11 plot. Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them obstructed our investigation.
There could have been absolutely no doubt in the mind of anyone at the C.I.A. or the White House of the commissions interest in any and all information related to Qaeda detainees involved in the 9/11 plot. Yet no one in the administration ever told the commission of the existence of videotapes of detainee interrogations. ...
As a legal matter, it is not up to us to examine the C.I.A.s failure to disclose the existence of these tapes. That is for others. What we do know is that government officials decided not to inform a lawfully constituted body, created by Congress and the president, to investigate one the greatest tragedies to confront this country. We call that obstruction." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02
John Loftus Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Former U.S. Army Intelligence officer. Currently author and frequent media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services.
Article The Guardian 9/6/03: "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." http://www.guardian.co.
J. Terrence "Terry" Brunner Former prosecutor
Crime and Racketeering Section of the U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby Kennedys anti-corruption task force. Former assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois. Former Executive Director of the Better Government Association 1971 - 2000. Currently Director, Aviation Integrity Project.
Article CBS News 3/5/03: "Here we've got the most important event in America in the past 50 years, the most horrible thing that's happened to Americans, and yet we pick a bunch of people who are connected to the very people who are at the center of the question of who's at fault," says Terry Brunner, a former federal prosecutor who now runs the Aviation Integrity Project in Chicago. "It's ridiculous."
Brunner checked out the commissioners and discovered that out of 10, at least six represent the very companies they're now investigating
Kenneth M. Mead, JD Former Inspector General of the Department of Transportation. Member of the President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency. Prior to becoming Inspector General, he served for 22 years with the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), Congress' investigative arm. Recipient of: the Career Achievement Award from the President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency and the Distinguished Service Award and Meritorious Service Award from the GAO. Currently Special Counsel in the law firm of Baker Botts.
New York Times article "FAA Official Scrapped Tape of 9/11 Controllers' Statements" 5/6/04:
"At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that same day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said in a report today. ...
But officials at the center never told higher-ups of the tape's existence, and it was later destroyed by an FAA official described in the report as a quality-assurance manager there. That manager crushed the cassette in his hand, shredded the tape and dropped the pieces into different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department. ...
People like Ditzcon the more and more they defend the official version,the more and more they make themselves look like idiots and prove they did not read this post or watch that video there.that they only see what they WANT to see and hear what they WANT to hear.a post containing only direct quotes from 9/11 commission participants and it is promptly placed in conspiracy theorys...priceless...the criticism of the 9/11 commission in regards to the 9/11 commission is a conspiracy theory now.. you have been so media programed,,,what a loon
you know, it's always bugged me that they spent 70 million dollars investigating a failed land deal/blue dress, but only 7 million investigating 9/11...
however, thinking that there was some type of demolition in downtown manhattan that no one in the world knew about and that they're still able to keep "secret" is just.... well, silliness....
the 9.11 commission seems like it didn't go far enough because it didn't. but not because Tom Kean, et al., were conspiring to hide an intentional act. They came to an agreement, in advance, that they wouldn't lay blame on either party or any president for dropping the ball. THAT is why there are holes and inconsistencies... THAT is the cover the committee gave them....
George Bush didn't allow anyone to intentionally blow up the towers.
did they take advantage of the situation to foster their agenda?
heck yeah.
that statement is also plain ignorant on your part saying that a demolition in manhatten took place that nobody knew about and that their able to still keep it a secret is just that,being ignorant.For one,just back in the 90's,we just learned some of the secrets the government kept from the american people from world war one where HUNDREDS of people were involved in!!!!! thanks to declassfied documents that were finally released. thats an awful damn long time to keep secrets from the world.70 years? where the hell you been? the government makes a living on keeping keeps secrets from the american people and the population of the world.we dont know HALF of what goes on in washington everyday due to secrets they keep from us. the ignorance.such a fucking moronSenator Max Cleland Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned December 2003. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1996-2002. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. Administrator of U.S. Veterans Administration 1977-1981. Awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for U.S. Army bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.
Boston Globe Article 11/13/03: "If this decision stands [to limit 9/11 Commission access to White House documents], I, as a member of the commission, cannot look any American in the eye, especially family members of victims, and say the commission had full access. This investigation is now compromised."
Boston.com... - Link to Boston Globe article
Article 11/21/03: Regarding the 9/11 Commission: "It is a national scandal." http://dir.salon.com/story/...
YouTube - 9/11 Families Ask commission member to resign
There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version, Kerrey said. The commission had limited time and limited resources to pursue its investigation, and its access to key documents and witnesses was fettered by the administration.
Commissioner Tim Roemer, speaking to CNN, stated that Commission members were considering a criminal probe of false statements. As quoted,
We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting, Roemer told CNN. We were not sure of the intent, whether it was to deceive the commission or merely part of the fumbling bureaucracy.
The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.
John J. Farmer, Jr., Senior Counsel, 9/11 Commission Former Attorney General of the State of New Jersey. Former Chief Counsel to former New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman. Former Commissioner of the State Commission of Investigations. Former Assistant U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey.
Washington Post Article 8/2/06 - "Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate. ...
"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. ... This is not spin. This is not true." http://www.washingtonpost
"We, to this day, don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. ... It's one of those loose ends that never got tied." http://www.washington
Without Precedent, a book about the 9/11 Commission authored by Chairman Thomas Kean and Vice-Chairman Lee Hamilton 8/4/06: "Fog of war could explain why some people were confused on the day of 9/11, but it could not explain why all of the after-action reports, accident investigations and public testimony by FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue." washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines
The commissions mandate was sweeping and it explicitly included the intelligence agencies. But the recent revelations that the C.I.A. destroyed videotaped interrogations of Qaeda operatives leads us to conclude that the agency failed to respond to our lawful requests for information about the 9/11 plot. Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them obstructed our investigation.
There could have been absolutely no doubt in the mind of anyone at the C.I.A. or the White House of the commissions interest in any and all information related to Qaeda detainees involved in the 9/11 plot. Yet no one in the administration ever told the commission of the existence of videotapes of detainee interrogations. ...
As a legal matter, it is not up to us to examine the C.I.A.s failure to disclose the existence of these tapes. That is for others. What we do know is that government officials decided not to inform a lawfully constituted body, created by Congress and the president, to investigate one the greatest tragedies to confront this country. We call that obstruction." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02
John Loftus Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. Former U.S. Army Intelligence officer. Currently author and frequent media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services.
Article The Guardian 9/6/03: "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." http://www.guardian.co.
J. Terrence "Terry" Brunner Former prosecutor
Crime and Racketeering Section of the U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby Kennedys anti-corruption task force. Former assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois. Former Executive Director of the Better Government Association 1971 - 2000. Currently Director, Aviation Integrity Project.
Article CBS News 3/5/03: "Here we've got the most important event in America in the past 50 years, the most horrible thing that's happened to Americans, and yet we pick a bunch of people who are connected to the very people who are at the center of the question of who's at fault," says Terry Brunner, a former federal prosecutor who now runs the Aviation Integrity Project in Chicago. "It's ridiculous."
Brunner checked out the commissioners and discovered that out of 10, at least six represent the very companies they're now investigating
Kenneth M. Mead, JD Former Inspector General of the Department of Transportation. Member of the President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency. Prior to becoming Inspector General, he served for 22 years with the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), Congress' investigative arm. Recipient of: the Career Achievement Award from the President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency and the Distinguished Service Award and Meritorious Service Award from the GAO. Currently Special Counsel in the law firm of Baker Botts.
New York Times article "FAA Official Scrapped Tape of 9/11 Controllers' Statements" 5/6/04:
"At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that same day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said in a report today. ...
But officials at the center never told higher-ups of the tape's existence, and it was later destroyed by an FAA official described in the report as a quality-assurance manager there. That manager crushed the cassette in his hand, shredded the tape and dropped the pieces into different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department. ...
I just read this for the first time.great stuff there.
keep showing what a fucking moron you area post containing only direct quotes from 9/11 commission participants and it is promptly placed in conspiracy theorys...priceless...the criticism of the 9/11 commission in regards to the 9/11 commission is a conspiracy theory now.. you have been so media programed,,,what a loon
you know, it's always bugged me that they spent 70 million dollars investigating a failed land deal/blue dress, but only 7 million investigating 9/11...
however, thinking that there was some type of demolition in downtown manhattan that no one in the world knew about and that they're still able to keep "secret" is just.... well, silliness....
the 9.11 commission seems like it didn't go far enough because it didn't. but not because Tom Kean, et al., were conspiring to hide an intentional act. They came to an agreement, in advance, that they wouldn't lay blame on either party or any president for dropping the ball. THAT is why there are holes and inconsistencies... THAT is the cover the committee gave them....
George Bush didn't allow anyone to intentionally blow up the towers.
did they take advantage of the situation to foster their agenda?
heck yeah.
uh yes he did.your obviously not aware that Marvin Bush was head of security for the towers in the several months leading up to 9/11 and so was his cousin.
