The 50 most developed countries in the world and Universal Healthcare.

[Flash]

So if you don't pay at the doctor then it is free?

Then in that case I get free treatment here in the US because I never have to pay a co payment or deductible with my insurance policy.

By the way there ain't so such thing as a free lunch. All Libertarians know that. The Canadians have about 20% higher taxes than we do.

We pay taxes and health insurance, and it depends where you live for how much tax you pay, just like here. But in Canada, everyone is covered, and they don’t care for people for profit.

I would much rather have somebody trying to make a profit on good service provide my health care rather than some stupid incompetent bureaucrat, whose boss is a corrupt politician, elected by special interest group.

A few years ago I had cancer that needed treatment. In my area I had three different facilities competing for my business. I got excellent treatment. Much better than if the filthy ass non caring government was running the facilities.

The government in Canada doesn’t run hospitals, they simply pay the tab.

He who has the gold makes the rules.

If the government is paying the tab, the government is running things.

The hospitals in Canada are actually run pretty well. People there look at the American system with a bit of horror and are super glad that that's not there system.

I don't know what you mean by "pretty good", I lived in a border state for several years and our medical facilities were always treating Canadians. They came to the US and paid for their treatment rather than get it free in Canada.

A few years ago I read an article that said the typical American mid sized city has more MRI machines than the whole country of Canada.

If you like you high taxes and "free" medical care then by all means stay in Candida.

Another difference in Canada and the US is that you don't have the high number of welfare assholes and Illegals as we do. Your ratio of contributors to recipients is higher than ours. Our Democrat voting inner city ghetto welfare queens can bankrupt any welfare system.

 

[Taz]

We pay taxes and health insurance, and it depends where you live for how much tax you pay, just like here. But in Canada, everyone is covered, and they don’t care for people for profit.

I would much rather have somebody trying to make a profit on good service provide my health care rather than some stupid incompetent bureaucrat, whose boss is a corrupt politician, elected by special interest group.

A few years ago I had cancer that needed treatment. In my area I had three different facilities competing for my business. I got excellent treatment. Much better than if the filthy ass non caring government was running the facilities.

The government in Canada doesn’t run hospitals, they simply pay the tab.

He who has the gold makes the rules.

If the government is paying the tab, the government is running things.

The hospitals in Canada are actually run pretty well. People there look at the American system with a bit of horror and are super glad that that's not there system.

I don't know what you mean by "pretty good", I lived in a border state for several years and our medical facilities were always treating Canadians. They came to the US and paid for their treatment rather than get it free in Canada.

A few years ago I read an article that said the typical American mid sized city has more MRI machines than the whole country of Canada.

If you like you high taxes and "free" medical care then by all means stay in Candida.

Another difference in Canada and the US is that you don't have the high number of welfare assholes and Illegals as we do. Your ratio of contributors to recipients is higher than ours. Our Democrat voting inner city ghetto welfare queens can bankrupt any welfare system.

All countries that have a public system also allow citizens to have private care as well. But at least everyone is covered, and the people don't spit on the poor for needing healthcare, like you do.

 

[Redfish]

Can you show me which UHC countries outsource their health care decisions to Bangladesh?


Thanks.

can you tell me which of those countries have 330,000,000 people and 20 million illegals? Comparing the US to Norway is like comparing a mouse to an elephant.

Well, then lets compare the 300,000,000 million people who live in Germany, Spain, Italy, United Kingdom and France to the United States. Would you consider that fair?

How many people die from automobile accidents in the US? How many in all those other countries whose people get around by train and such? How many people die from gun shots, or overdoses of heroine that come across the southern border? yeah, make sure not to put those statistics into your "Europeans live longer bullshit"..When you have diseased illegal hordes crossing the border that doesnt help your cause, when they take up plenty of healthcare resources that normally would go to a US citizen.

If we take abortion deaths out of the US statistics we are near or at the top.

Abortions don’t count as a death, numbnuts.

in most death statistics they do count them. does someone not die in an abortion?

 

[Taz]

can you tell me which of those countries have 330,000,000 people and 20 million illegals? Comparing the US to Norway is like comparing a mouse to an elephant.

Well, then lets compare the 300,000,000 million people who live in Germany, Spain, Italy, United Kingdom and France to the United States. Would you consider that fair?

How many people die from automobile accidents in the US? How many in all those other countries whose people get around by train and such? How many people die from gun shots, or overdoses of heroine that come across the southern border? yeah, make sure not to put those statistics into your "Europeans live longer bullshit"..When you have diseased illegal hordes crossing the border that doesnt help your cause, when they take up plenty of healthcare resources that normally would go to a US citizen.

If we take abortion deaths out of the US statistics we are near or at the top.

Abortions don’t count as a death, numbnuts.

in most death statistics they do count them. does someone not die in an abortion?

Only some Christian nutjob stat would include them. And no.

 

[Redfish]

I would much rather have somebody trying to make a profit on good service provide my health care rather than some stupid incompetent bureaucrat, whose boss is a corrupt politician, elected by special interest group.

A few years ago I had cancer that needed treatment. In my area I had three different facilities competing for my business. I got excellent treatment. Much better than if the filthy ass non caring government was running the facilities.

The government in Canada doesn’t run hospitals, they simply pay the tab.

He who has the gold makes the rules.

If the government is paying the tab, the government is running things.

The hospitals in Canada are actually run pretty well. People there look at the American system with a bit of horror and are super glad that that's not there system.

I don't know what you mean by "pretty good", I lived in a border state for several years and our medical facilities were always treating Canadians. They came to the US and paid for their treatment rather than get it free in Canada.

A few years ago I read an article that said the typical American mid sized city has more MRI machines than the whole country of Canada.

If you like you high taxes and "free" medical care then by all means stay in Candida.

Another difference in Canada and the US is that you don't have the high number of welfare assholes and Illegals as we do. Your ratio of contributors to recipients is higher than ours. Our Democrat voting inner city ghetto welfare queens can bankrupt any welfare system.

All countries that have a public system also allow citizens to have private care as well. But at least everyone is covered, and the people don't spit on the poor for needing healthcare, like you do.

No one in the USA is denied medical care, everyone is "covered". It has always been that way, those of us who pay cover those who can't or won't. It would be the same under socialized medicine, except that those who pay would also have to pay for a massive inefficient government bureaucracy.

 

[Redfish]

Well, then lets compare the 300,000,000 million people who live in Germany, Spain, Italy, United Kingdom and France to the United States. Would you consider that fair?

How many people die from automobile accidents in the US? How many in all those other countries whose people get around by train and such? How many people die from gun shots, or overdoses of heroine that come across the southern border? yeah, make sure not to put those statistics into your "Europeans live longer bullshit"..When you have diseased illegal hordes crossing the border that doesnt help your cause, when they take up plenty of healthcare resources that normally would go to a US citizen.

If we take abortion deaths out of the US statistics we are near or at the top.

Abortions don’t count as a death, numbnuts.

in most death statistics they do count them. does someone not die in an abortion?

Only some Christian nutjob stat would include them. And no.

Stilling a beating heart is murder whether the heart is out side or inside its mother. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with biology.

 

[Taz]

How many people die from automobile accidents in the US? How many in all those other countries whose people get around by train and such? How many people die from gun shots, or overdoses of heroine that come across the southern border? yeah, make sure not to put those statistics into your "Europeans live longer bullshit"..When you have diseased illegal hordes crossing the border that doesnt help your cause, when they take up plenty of healthcare resources that normally would go to a US citizen.

If we take abortion deaths out of the US statistics we are near or at the top.

Abortions don’t count as a death, numbnuts.

in most death statistics they do count them. does someone not die in an abortion?

Only some Christian nutjob stat would include them. And no.

Stilling a beating heart is murder whether the heart is out side or inside its mother. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with biology.

Only religious nutjobs consider abortion murder.

 

[Redfish]

If we take abortion deaths out of the US statistics we are near or at the top.

Abortions don’t count as a death, numbnuts.

in most death statistics they do count them. does someone not die in an abortion?

Only some Christian nutjob stat would include them. And no.

Stilling a beating heart is murder whether the heart is out side or inside its mother. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with biology.

Only religious nutjobs consider abortion murder.

that's incorrect. but you are free to continue your false belief. This thread is about socialized medicine, there are lots on abortion if you want to continue to post your lies.

 

[Taz]

The government in Canada doesn’t run hospitals, they simply pay the tab.

He who has the gold makes the rules.

If the government is paying the tab, the government is running things.

The hospitals in Canada are actually run pretty well. People there look at the American system with a bit of horror and are super glad that that's not there system.

I don't know what you mean by "pretty good", I lived in a border state for several years and our medical facilities were always treating Canadians. They came to the US and paid for their treatment rather than get it free in Canada.

A few years ago I read an article that said the typical American mid sized city has more MRI machines than the whole country of Canada.

If you like you high taxes and "free" medical care then by all means stay in Candida.

Another difference in Canada and the US is that you don't have the high number of welfare assholes and Illegals as we do. Your ratio of contributors to recipients is higher than ours. Our Democrat voting inner city ghetto welfare queens can bankrupt any welfare system.

All countries that have a public system also allow citizens to have private care as well. But at least everyone is covered, and the people don't spit on the poor for needing healthcare, like you do.

No one in the USA is denied medical care, everyone is "covered". It has always been that way, those of us who pay cover those who can't or won't. It would be the same under socialized medicine, except that those who pay would also have to pay for a massive inefficient government bureaucracy.

The government in Canada sets standards but it's the hospitals themselves who administer their own hospitals.

 

[Taz]

Abortions don’t count as a death, numbnuts.

in most death statistics they do count them. does someone not die in an abortion?

Only some Christian nutjob stat would include them. And no.

Stilling a beating heart is murder whether the heart is out side or inside its mother. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with biology.

Only religious nutjobs consider abortion murder.

that's incorrect. but you are free to continue your false belief. This thread is about socialized medicine, there are lots on abortion if you want to continue to post your lies.

If abortion was murder then people would be arrested for it. They aren't. So stfu.

 

[Redfish]

He who has the gold makes the rules.

If the government is paying the tab, the government is running things.

The hospitals in Canada are actually run pretty well. People there look at the American system with a bit of horror and are super glad that that's not there system.

I don't know what you mean by "pretty good", I lived in a border state for several years and our medical facilities were always treating Canadians. They came to the US and paid for their treatment rather than get it free in Canada.

A few years ago I read an article that said the typical American mid sized city has more MRI machines than the whole country of Canada.

If you like you high taxes and "free" medical care then by all means stay in Candida.

Another difference in Canada and the US is that you don't have the high number of welfare assholes and Illegals as we do. Your ratio of contributors to recipients is higher than ours. Our Democrat voting inner city ghetto welfare queens can bankrupt any welfare system.

All countries that have a public system also allow citizens to have private care as well. But at least everyone is covered, and the people don't spit on the poor for needing healthcare, like you do.

No one in the USA is denied medical care, everyone is "covered". It has always been that way, those of us who pay cover those who can't or won't. It would be the same under socialized medicine, except that those who pay would also have to pay for a massive inefficient government bureaucracy.

The government in Canada sets standards but it's the hospitals themselves who administer their own hospitals.

"the government in Canada sets standards" that's why Canadians who can afford it come to the USA when seriously ill. If you live in Canada and like it, that's great, that system wont work here and we don't want it here. We have the best medical care in the entire world and do not want to change it. End of Story.

 

[Redfish]

in most death statistics they do count them. does someone not die in an abortion?

Only some Christian nutjob stat would include them. And no.

Stilling a beating heart is murder whether the heart is out side or inside its mother. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with biology.

Only religious nutjobs consider abortion murder.

that's incorrect. but you are free to continue your false belief. This thread is about socialized medicine, there are lots on abortion if you want to continue to post your lies.

If abortion was murder then people would be arrested for it. They aren't. So stfu.

Roe v Wade made it legal. But tell me this; why is a person who kills a pregnant woman charged with two counts of murder? and that is the law in every state.

 

[danielpalos]

If you worked In the United States, then you were either employed by someone or if you had your own business it was dependent on people buying your services or products. Either way, your earnings came from THE MARKET. A market you were born into. A market that you exploited and profited from. Which is fine, as long as you pay the government back in taxes at a rate based on your earnings in order to protect the market and keep it going for future generations.

The market is not the government. Why is the latter entitled to anything because you worked your tail off and made a good living? The government is entitled only to what it costs to provide police protection, national defense and the courts. That's about 10% of what it now receives in taxes.

Our welfare clause is general and we have a Commerce Clause; only lousy capitalists lose money on public policies.

Change the fucking record... on your way back to Messiko.

stop claiming socialism is Bad; the right wing hasn't a Clue as to what Capitalism is.

I never claimed that. I said changed your broken record, nobody's paying any attention to your bean smelling ass.

i resort to the fewest fallacies. Why do You think you are right? just being on the right won't work.

 

[Taz]

The hospitals in Canada are actually run pretty well. People there look at the American system with a bit of horror and are super glad that that's not there system.

I don't know what you mean by "pretty good", I lived in a border state for several years and our medical facilities were always treating Canadians. They came to the US and paid for their treatment rather than get it free in Canada.

A few years ago I read an article that said the typical American mid sized city has more MRI machines than the whole country of Canada.

If you like you high taxes and "free" medical care then by all means stay in Candida.

Another difference in Canada and the US is that you don't have the high number of welfare assholes and Illegals as we do. Your ratio of contributors to recipients is higher than ours. Our Democrat voting inner city ghetto welfare queens can bankrupt any welfare system.

All countries that have a public system also allow citizens to have private care as well. But at least everyone is covered, and the people don't spit on the poor for needing healthcare, like you do.

No one in the USA is denied medical care, everyone is "covered". It has always been that way, those of us who pay cover those who can't or won't. It would be the same under socialized medicine, except that those who pay would also have to pay for a massive inefficient government bureaucracy.

The government in Canada sets standards but it's the hospitals themselves who administer their own hospitals.

"the government in Canada sets standards" that's why Canadians who can afford it come to the USA when seriously ill. If you live in Canada and like it, that's great, that system wont work here and we don't want it here. We have the best medical care in the entire world and do not want to change it. End of Story.

Canadians are free to seek out health care wherever they want. Their prescription drugs are also much cheaper.

 

[Taz]

Only some Christian nutjob stat would include them. And no.

Stilling a beating heart is murder whether the heart is out side or inside its mother. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with biology.

Only religious nutjobs consider abortion murder.

that's incorrect. but you are free to continue your false belief. This thread is about socialized medicine, there are lots on abortion if you want to continue to post your lies.

If abortion was murder then people would be arrested for it. They aren't. So stfu.

Roe v Wade made it legal. But tell me this; why is a person who kills a pregnant woman charged with two counts of murder? and that is the law in every state.

Because the women wanted to carry the fetus to term. Can you tell the difference between that and an abortion?

 

[Taz]

The market is not the government. Why is the latter entitled to anything because you worked your tail off and made a good living? The government is entitled only to what it costs to provide police protection, national defense and the courts. That's about 10% of what it now receives in taxes.

Our welfare clause is general and we have a Commerce Clause; only lousy capitalists lose money on public policies.

Change the fucking record... on your way back to Messiko.

stop claiming socialism is Bad; the right wing hasn't a Clue as to what Capitalism is.

I never claimed that. I said changed your broken record, nobody's paying any attention to your bean smelling ass.

i resort to the fewest fallacies. Why do You think you are right? just being on the right won't work.

Everything that ever came out of your mouth is a fallacy. Now get on your donkey and go back to Guatemala.

 

[Redfish]

I don't know what you mean by "pretty good", I lived in a border state for several years and our medical facilities were always treating Canadians. They came to the US and paid for their treatment rather than get it free in Canada.

A few years ago I read an article that said the typical American mid sized city has more MRI machines than the whole country of Canada.

If you like you high taxes and "free" medical care then by all means stay in Candida.

Another difference in Canada and the US is that you don't have the high number of welfare assholes and Illegals as we do. Your ratio of contributors to recipients is higher than ours. Our Democrat voting inner city ghetto welfare queens can bankrupt any welfare system.

All countries that have a public system also allow citizens to have private care as well. But at least everyone is covered, and the people don't spit on the poor for needing healthcare, like you do.

No one in the USA is denied medical care, everyone is "covered". It has always been that way, those of us who pay cover those who can't or won't. It would be the same under socialized medicine, except that those who pay would also have to pay for a massive inefficient government bureaucracy.

The government in Canada sets standards but it's the hospitals themselves who administer their own hospitals.

"the government in Canada sets standards" that's why Canadians who can afford it come to the USA when seriously ill. If you live in Canada and like it, that's great, that system wont work here and we don't want it here. We have the best medical care in the entire world and do not want to change it. End of Story.

Canadians are free to seek out health care wherever they want. Their prescription drugs are also much cheaper.

prescriptions are cheaper and many americans get their prescriptions from Canadian pharmacies, Trump is trying to get congress to fix that discrepancy.

Americans are also free to go wherever they want for medical treatment, but they don't go to Canada.

 

[Taz]

All countries that have a public system also allow citizens to have private care as well. But at least everyone is covered, and the people don't spit on the poor for needing healthcare, like you do.

No one in the USA is denied medical care, everyone is "covered". It has always been that way, those of us who pay cover those who can't or won't. It would be the same under socialized medicine, except that those who pay would also have to pay for a massive inefficient government bureaucracy.

The government in Canada sets standards but it's the hospitals themselves who administer their own hospitals.

"the government in Canada sets standards" that's why Canadians who can afford it come to the USA when seriously ill. If you live in Canada and like it, that's great, that system wont work here and we don't want it here. We have the best medical care in the entire world and do not want to change it. End of Story.

Canadians are free to seek out health care wherever they want. Their prescription drugs are also much cheaper.

prescriptions are cheaper and many americans get their prescriptions from Canadian pharmacies, Trump is trying to get congress to fix that discrepancy.

Americans are also free to go wherever they want for medical treatment, but they don't go to Canada.

Most Americans don't know where Canada is.

 

[danielpalos]

Only some Christian nutjob stat would include them. And no.

Stilling a beating heart is murder whether the heart is out side or inside its mother. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with biology.

Only religious nutjobs consider abortion murder.

that's incorrect. but you are free to continue your false belief. This thread is about socialized medicine, there are lots on abortion if you want to continue to post your lies.

If abortion was murder then people would be arrested for it. They aren't. So stfu.

Roe v Wade made it legal. But tell me this; why is a person who kills a pregnant woman charged with two counts of murder? and that is the law in every state.

why is the right wing against natural rights but claim to be against abortion?

 

[Redfish]

Stilling a beating heart is murder whether the heart is out side or inside its mother. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with biology.

Only religious nutjobs consider abortion murder.

that's incorrect. but you are free to continue your false belief. This thread is about socialized medicine, there are lots on abortion if you want to continue to post your lies.

If abortion was murder then people would be arrested for it. They aren't. So stfu.

Roe v Wade made it legal. But tell me this; why is a person who kills a pregnant woman charged with two counts of murder? and that is the law in every state.

Because the women wanted to carry the fetus to term. Can you tell the difference between that and an abortion?

how do you know that the murdered woman was not on the way to the PP abortion mill when she was killed? TWO counts or murder means TWO people were killed.

I consider abortion murder, you don't. I don't see this argument going anywhere. I suggest a national referendum on this to settle it once and for all. Lets let all of America decide, OK?