Spain's Catholic Church backs Condoms

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    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050119/ap_on_he_me/spain_catholics_condoms

    Maybe its just me, i was unaware that that the Church could ignore the Pope like this? I think the following comments from the article are the most telling.

    The Catholic Church is supposed to be a moral authority in the world. It shouldnt be giving into social pressure from activists groups like the SFLGT. Besides with arent they supposed to be looking up to the Pope for guidence in this area? Since when can the church in one nation ignore the teachings from the head of the church. i mean im not a catholic and its not that important to me otherwise but i cant figure out how these guys can be allowed to contradict the leadership whom they claim to believe is following God like this. it makes no sense to me.

    The fact is if people lived the Gospel of Jesus Christ we wouldnt have to deal with AIDs. It would die out within a few generations. So maybe they should get down to teaching the doctrines of Christ rather than giving into the world or i predict there will be a mass exodus from the Catholic Church. But then Im not sure the Catholic Church taught the doctrines of Christ to begin with or id be catholic. But as there becomes less and less distinction between the Catholic Church and the world, Catholicism will cease to be a power in the world.
     
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    I also thought that the Vatican's policy on condoms (or any other policy) would be binding on other Catholic churches. :confused:

    The problem is that most groups, like Planned Parenthood, or the multiple homosexual rights groups, etc., despise the Christian teachings of monogamy within marriage and abstinence outside of marriage. To them, offering such suggestions goes against their right to have sex with whomever, whenever. But the hard facts are that people who practice sex outside of marriage are putting themselves at risk for STDs and/or unwanted pregnancies.
     
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    Ive said it before and ill say it a thousand times. There is no right to sex. if there was then millions of women would be depriving men of their rights every night. Sex is a privelage not a right. as much as i know it must pain people to realize that its a fact of life.
     
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    A house divided against itself cannot stand..........Back in the late sixties there was a second vatican counsel in which they attempted to "modernize" the church...It was at that point the devil entered the Chruch and started causing confusion (a Schism within the church) and what is now happening as a result of this is the watering down of the Catholic church, and certain people who's intellect has been darkened have come into the church and made changes to certain traditions they "deemed" would help keep the church intact,(so they said).

    Catholics now can take Communion (to Catholics Christ's actual body) in their hands and place it in their own mouths, additionally now lay people are giving out communion in this way. This was never meant to be the practice. I personally would never actually touch the host but rather still take it directly from a priests hand, that's what Im more comfortable with. Lots of other changes as well. No more masses in Latin which I miss terribly as it is the most beautiful mass one can ever go to, even if your not Catholic. I have to travel to Philly if I want to ever go to one that still has the Latin music.
     
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    OK, I was raised Protestant, so I have never heard of priests putting the bread in your mouth for you. I just assumed that's how everyone did it!
     
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    Yes in the Catholic church it was always the priest that places the host on your tongue, so it gets blessed then passes from his finger to your mouth. Lately the church has allowed people to put their hands out and the priest places the host in their palm at which point they place it in their mouths. It sounds like a small thing, however if you look at from the perspective of a Catholic believing that is the body of Christ not just symbolically his body then really we as sinners should not be touching it as it enters our body. Now the church allows lay people to give the host as well citing the lack of priests within each church to give out communion which is valid, as long as that's actually the reason.
     
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    My next question (not attacking - please don't take it this way): since the priest is a sinner as well, wouldn't his act of touching the Eucharist have the same effect as anyone else touching it?
     
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    Of course I don't take it as an attack, Im happy to respond.
    In answer to your query, yes priests are sinners but are also, or, are supposed to be in a constant state of grace, meaning they are given the grace to touch the host after they bless it. And since they are not having sex (no comments from the peanut gallery) they are in a much greater state of grace than we the population are. In other words they are more sheltered, and live holier lives, pray more etc. They are the actual modern day apostles which is why they don't get married, they marry the church instead. I hope that makes sense the way I explained it???
     
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    Are you saying that having biblically authorized sex sullies one's soul?

    I've heard/read from several sources that the Catholic Church banned the marriage of clergy to prevent the acquisition of, and/or the production of heirs, so that upon death, the church could retain any assets amassed.
     
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