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Where is anything after the post office enumerated in the Constitution?...Oh yeah, none of it is.By this document, our constitution, we the people are already socialists.
Further proof is we subscribe to socialist implementation:
Armed forces provide for the common defense
U.S. mail service has our home address.
Teachers for public schools.
Workers for roads and parks.
Retirement for our old.
SSI for our permanently disabled.
Workers compensation for our injured on the job.
The military is a red herring, because it's the collectivized manifestation of the individual right to protection of one's life and property from external aggression.
The Post Office is also a red herring, since Lysander Spooner lost in his bid to create a private company that would deliver first class mail.
Any other patently ridiculous examples you want to try, in order to "prove" that America was founded as a quasi-socialist nation?
It is true that in a socialist country the government will steal your money at gun point.
But the opposite is not true. Capitalists will provide a product or service in exchange for your money. The transaction is purely voluntary and peaceful.
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That is idealism.
If you let reality run its course, the corporatist will force the people to buy the service or good through the government.
When you take it to the extreme this is what socialism and capitalism resembles.
Lol? The service provided through public funding isn't socialist? What else is new?
No, it's not. You would know that if the OP had bothered to define socialism in his alleged opening post concerning socialism, instead of running off and talking about something else entirely.
Describe USPS please. I want to hear more.
No, it's not. You would know that if the OP had bothered to define socialism in his alleged opening post concerning socialism, instead of running off and talking about something else entirely.
Maybe I'd do better to describe what socialism is and is not. Right off the top, socialism is NOT the mere existence of government and government departments. The USPS is a department of the federal government, just like the military or the patent office, and neither of those is "socialism", either. In fact, it's the only governmental department that allows for any type of private competition that I'm aware of.
Socialism, what is it? One school of thought is:
Egalitarianism (derived from the French word égal, meaning "equal")
It is defined as a political doctrine that holds that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights.
At a cultural level, egalitarian theories have developed in sophistication and acceptance during the past two hundred years. Among the notable broadly egalitarian philosophies are socialism, communism, anarchism, left-libertarianism, and progressivism, all of which propound economic, political, and legal egalitarianism, respectively. Several egalitarian ideas enjoy wide support among intellectuals and in the general populations of many countries. Whether any of these ideas have been significantly implemented in practice, however, remains a controversial question. For instance, some[who?] argue that modern representative democracy is a realization of political egalitarianism, while others believe that, in reality, most political power still resides in the hands of a ruling class, rather than in the hands of the people.=WIKIPEDIA
socialist
   ˈsoʊ ʃə lɪstShow Spelled[soh-shuh-list]
noun
1
an advocate or supporter of socialism.
2.
(initial capital letter ) a member of the U.S. Socialist party.
adjective
3.
socialistic.
socialize (sō'shə-līz')
v. socialized, socializing, socializes
To place under government or group ownership or control.
To make fit for companionship with others; make sociable.
To convert or adapt to the needs of society.
socialism [ˈsəʊʃəˌlɪzəm]
n
1. (Economics) an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels."=WIKIPEDIA
"Reformists, such as classical social democrats, believe that a socialist system can be achieved by reforming capitalism. Socialism, in their view, can be reached through the existing political system by reforming private enterprise. Revolutionaries, such as Marxists, Leninists and Trotskyist, believe such methods will fail because the state ultimately acts in the interests of capitalist business interests. They believe that revolution is the only means to establish a new socio-economic system. Marxists do not necessarily define revolution as a violent insurrection, but instead as a thorough and rapid change."=WIKIPEDIA
What utter and contemptible Fabian bullshit, from a Leninist useful idiot."Progressive reform" is slow, and fixes only what needs fixing, rather than quick, total, and final communism. Just as the founding fathers set up this gave us room to grow from the best of both sides, right and left. To overlay our existing capitalism, which is what we have done. Over and, over and over, and...
Like the Original progressive movement .What utter and contemptible Fabian bullshit, from a Leninist useful idiot."Progressive reform" is slow, and fixes only what needs fixing, rather than quick, total, and final communism. Just as the founding fathers set up this gave us room to grow from the best of both sides, right and left. To overlay our existing capitalism, which is what we have done. Over and, over and over, and...
"Progressive reform" seeks to overthrow the diffused old school liberal republic, in favor of a centralized collectivist authoritarian regime.
Move your sorry communist carcass to Cuba.
Socialism, what is it?
One school of thought is:
Egalitarianism
Don't bother, bro. General Welfare was put there for shits and giggles too.
Socialism, what is it? ?
It is my favorite socioeconomic system, so as you can see, I am not mentally ill.
You see I love to be enslaved by distant bureaucrats and told what to do.
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Obama's not a socialist. I've been corresponding with the head of the American Socialist Party ever since I read his article where he addresses that canard point by point. And as time has gone on, it's only become more true. Unless you're a conspiracy nut and think "he's lying to you to advance the Socialist agenda" go read the article which is easily googleable.
One of the things I've noticed on this board is that people don't understand that a belief system or political system can touch in part on an idea, but not fully equate with said idea. Socialism is a perfect example. Just because you want a measure of equality for all citizens doesnt mean you are a socialist.
Yes, according to Marx, socialism is a stage of development on the way from capitalism to full communism, but it can be a political system in and of itself. In fact to be a distinct stage it would have to be able to be isolated. It's also worth noting that socialism has an element of incentivism that's essential to it - one of the myths going round of course is the idea that a socialist system takes all the incentive out of achieving.
The idea of employee ownership has actually come up during the last 30 years as a great way of incentivizing the work force. When the workers own and get the profits from the company they're toiling at they have a sense of pride and personal investment. (Libertarian Marxism anyone?)
But this sounds like more apologetics for socialism. They system we have...and will always have...will be a hybrid between capitalism and socialism. Why? Because the essential role of government is to band together for the collective good.
That's it. Not much brain surgery required to understand it. And because banding together for the collective good is similar to socialism, one element of the public will always push the government towards that extreme.
Personally, I favor a capitalist economy, but I'm not so naive as to think that huge corporations always have my best interests at heart and wont use their power and leverage to make a buck at my expense. I'm also not naive enough to think that government always has my best interest at heart and wont try to gain more power at my expense. I know that there are lazy bums who wont work and who will live on the hard work of others...but I also know that the poverty of some effects the bottom line of all of us..and that private charity isn't enough.
So there I sit...in the middle. With socialism not being so bad when taken in small doses, if by socialism you mean some amount of charity for those who truly need it and some amount of contribution for the collective good.
Charity is voluntary. Government is force.
