Socialism?

[Oddball]

I don't know, lets ask the framers. Oh wait, we go back to framers only when it is fit.

The answer is that there is no such provision. Otherwise, you would have easily been able to point it out.

Thus I must assume that framers hated the constitution.

It seems that I can safely assume that you're willingly being dense, in a slipshod attempt to paint the framers of the republic as sympathizers to the modern collectivist authoritarian nanny state mindset.

And you're failing miserably at it.

 

[Jurginvoncelle]

The answer is that there is no such provision. Otherwise, you would have easily been able to point it out.

Thus I must assume that framers hated the constitution.

It seems that I can safely assume that you're willingly being dense, in a slipshod attempt to paint the framers of the republic as sympathizers to the modern collectivist authoritarian nanny state mindset.

And you're failing miserably at it.

Here’s a question for you. If all the farmers in the US grew only soybeans, what would happen to the US economy? Do they decide on their own what to grow? Or do government subsidies help to make up their minds?

Everyone is angry. Why? Because all of a sudden we have to save our country from the socialist monster, while free market is bailed out on the backs of taxpayers?
We privatize profits and socialize losses and now you are scared?
There is no free market. Cost is not issued by supply and demand, and if you are too big to fail you can't loose.

Put the anger where it goes, and stop demonizing good ideas because they fall under someone’s idea of TABU. Point is socialization has BEEN here the whole time.

 

[Jurginvoncelle]

Point out where the Constitution expressly prohibits anyone in the free market from delivering first class mail?

The answer is that there is no such provision. Otherwise, you would have easily been able to point it out.

It is still provided by the GOVERNMENT.

They know your home address too!

 

[Jurginvoncelle]

DUDE:

By your argument on the USPS; would you agree that the government run system is palatable as long as private business remains as competition?

 

[sparky]

 

[Cecilie1200]

Socialism, what is it? One school of thought is:
Egalitarianism (derived from the French word égal, meaning "equal")
It is defined as a political doctrine that holds that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights.

To quote the document of our founding fathers "inalienable rights endowed by their Creator". These constitutional authors would risk everything, including their own lives, defending the moral principles by which they lived, and which formed the basis for their (now our) constitution.

By this document, our constitution, “we the people” are already socialists.
Further proof is we subscribe to socialist implementation:
Armed forces provide for the “common defense”
U.S. mail service has our home address.
Teachers for public schools.
Workers for roads and parks.
Retirement for our old.
SSI for our permanently disabled.
Workers compensation for our injured on the job.

We have bits and pieces of all kinds of government, we are NOT a hybrid. We are rather a cut and paste society, trying whatever seems to work, as we tweak our way thru history.
So tell me why is there so much fear?

Oh, for Christ's sake. If you're going to go to the trouble of citing a dictionary definition, you MIGHT make the effort to cite the definition of the actual word you allegedly want to discuss. This isn't even a GOOD attempt at diversion.

Socialism - 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

If you're going to discuss socialism, discuss socialism. If you're going to discuss egalitarianism, discuss egalitarianism. But don't say you're discussing one and then try to slip the other in without even a pretense of linking the two.

Epic fail.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Post office. Wow, you sucked at history

The Post Office isn't "socialist".

Lol? The service provided through public funding isn't socialist? What else is new?

No, it's not. You would know that if the OP had bothered to define socialism in his alleged opening post concerning socialism, instead of running off and talking about something else entirely.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Don't bother, bro. General Welfare was put there for shits and giggles too.

That doesn't mean onerous burdens on unborn generations.
Ill bet there is even a quote about that.,

 

[Brubricker]

For the win...

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Success

 

[editec]

People are afraid words they don't understand but have been taught to demonize.

Mankind is a social creature by nature.

Get over it.

How mankind organizes his society, while definitely important, isn't the root source of his difficulties.

Basically we're just bad monkeys.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

People are afraid words they don't understand but have been taught to demonize.

Mankind is a social creature by nature.

Get over it.

How mankind organizes his society, while definitely important, isn't the root source of his difficulties.

Basically we're just bad monkeys.

What ever you say bonobo.

 

[editec]

Seriously Fitnah can you name even one government that didn't ultimately become oppressive and corrupt?


Societies demand that we give some people power. That's the nature of the civilization not matter how we organize it.

And with power, some people (most actually) tend to find rationizations for why they ought to benefit from that power more than others.

You show me any government where that hasn't been the course of human events, and then we can both figure out how that system somehow prevented the flaws of human nature from becoming the flaws of that human system.

I've been studying history and government and societies my whole damned life and believe me, if you had too?

You'd be as cynical as I am.

But what I think is mostly happening is that people do not want to believe that human nature is ultimately the problem.

They don't want to do that because that is a very disturbing and completely disheartening thought.

So instead they divide the world into white hats and black hats.

Naturally their side are white hats.

And then they delude themsleves into thinking

Ah! but if only we did things my way, all would be right with the world.

And it might be too, for a while....until those with power became convinced that they have the right to have more, because they have the power.

Doesn't matter how we structure our government or society, that hubris problem crops up sooner or later in every society.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

You sound like an optimist to me.
I know taking away peoples money and guns and forcing them into government education camps for 20 years isn't working,
A little more revolution and a little less reelection is in order.

 

[editec]

You sound like an optimist to me.
I know taking away peoples money and guns and forcing them into government education camps for 20 years isn't working,
A little more revolution and a little less reelection is in order.

I like to think of myself as a realist, Fitnah

Optomists and pessimists are both deluding themselves.

Yes, the world is going to hell in a handbasket...it has been ever since mankind existed.

Certainly, there's a brighter future for us all, too ... until there isn't.

Has anyone taken away your guns?

ARe you posting from a reeducation camp?

Revolutions that last are revolutions that happen despite mankind, not because of him.

The revolutions come because mankind keep changing the nature of his society technically such that we have to modify our societies to accomodate and take advantage of the changes in what we know.

Nothing mankind creates lasts forever.

Not this form of government, not this government and not this nation, either.

We can only strive to make the world a better place to the best of our ability.

There is no ultimate destination, there is only the road in front of us.

Don't lose heart, amigo.

 

[Kex]

The Post Office isn't "socialist".

Lol? The service provided through public funding isn't socialist? What else is new?

No, it's not. You would know that if the OP had bothered to define socialism in his alleged opening post concerning socialism, instead of running off and talking about something else entirely.

Describe USPS please. I want to hear more.

 

[Kex]

Don't bother, bro. General Welfare was put there for shits and giggles too.

That doesn't mean onerous burdens on unborn generations.
Ill bet there is even a quote about that.,

Who cares when they are aborted lol.

 

[SwingVoter]

The Post Office isn't "socialist".

whether it is or isn't, evite, facebook, and fedex are definitely not socialist, and they are running the PO out of business, moreover taxpayers don't have to provide their workers with fat pensions and health insurance plans

 

[Contumacious]

It is true that in a socialist country the government will steal your money at gun point.

But the opposite is not true. Capitalists will provide a product or service in exchange for your money. The transaction is purely voluntary and peaceful.

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[Mr.Fitnah]

Don't bother, bro. General Welfare was put there for shits and giggles too.

That doesn't mean onerous burdens on unborn generations.
Ill bet there is even a quote about that.,

Who cares when they are aborted lol.

I just wanted to quote this.