So can we all please agree

[Luddly Neddite]

syrenn

Anyone can walk into any planned parenthood or public health clinic...and walk out with a bag full of condoms.

Which is great if contraception is the goal but condoms do not address the various health issues treated with birth control pills.

If lushbo attacked men for using insulin to treat diabetes, what would be the reaction of the R's?

Until you have seen the very real treatment of birth control pills of very real health problems, you just cannot know how important they can be.

lushbo has done a terrible disservice to so many women AND men and the rw's and R's just love it. The only thing that would make them happier would be to find a way to take food away from Hispanic children. If Viagra was on the chopping block, they'd stand with lushbo on that too.

Yes, that is my true opinion of the R. They hate people and they're hypocrites.

 

[Si modo]

Let's see: I'm a college girl and I have to spend $15 on oral contraceptives this month because my religion-operated school won't pay for it.

And, dammit, I really need lip color and gloss, and that's also $15.

What shall I ever do?

 

[Cecilie1200]

There you go. You said it yourself. "They will pass along the cost to the people paying for insurance".

That's ME. And I don't use birth control.

You are stealing from me.

Ah, there it is. Now I understand why conservatives are so against this. It's the Me Principal. You don't want to pay any amount to help anyone else, and anything you believe in should be forced on others.

So I guess if I think diabetics are fat and lazy (a sin), insurance companies can deny insulin.

If I think anti-depressents are wrong, then I don't want my insurance company to

In fact, anything I object to is morally wrong. Does my property tax go towards people in the poor part of town? Screw them! I pay for police protection, so cops better not go to the other side of town! They belong right next to me!

My God, you are sounding like a selfish prick.

Oh, I KNOW you're not going to sit there prattling about how OTHER people need to pay for YOUR health care shit, and then have the stones to call someone ELSE selfish. Are you always such a hypocrite, or are you really just that goddamned stupid?

 

[konradv]

Anyone can walk into any planned parenthood or public health clinic...and walk out with a bag full of condoms.

So, you pay your gyno and OB with condoms? Hardly, what I'd call a Reproductive Health plan.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I suspect boo has reached the maximum level of butt wipedness...though I have been wrong before.

I try never to underestimate the left's ability to sink even lower.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The Constitution protects individual liberty. Obama's plan allows individuals to make a religious choice. Therefore, it protects religious liberty. YOUR plan is to force one particular religious view on people. That's a violation of their constitutional rights.

And this is not forcing contraception on anyone. It forces insurance companies (not the Church!) into OFFERING birth control. Offering is not the same as forcing. The Church's rights are not violated with this law anymore than it gets violated when parish members purchase birth control.

This is the most puerile and pathetic attempt at logic that I've seen in at least a week. Bravo.

What does YOUR candidate offer?

For starters, logic that's actually logical. Then we move on to an eventual end to lazy, greedy asswipes like you whinging and bitching about how mean and selfish OTHER people are for not wanting to buy you everything under the sun.

 

[konradv]

whinging and bitching about how mean and selfish OTHER people are for not wanting to buy you everything under the sun.

It's about offering insurance, not buying everything. It's a "equal protection" issue. If Viagra is covered, women should have an equal ability to protect themselves. Offering insurance isn't against anyone's faith. That depends on what one does with it and shouldn't be an employer's concern.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Fluke's objectors are really starting to show their stupidity. Fluke advocates for a mandate whereby people would pay for their own health insurance that covers contraception. First they accuse her of wanting someone else to pay for it (an outright lie), and then they turn around and insist that she can get it for free so there's no reason for the mandate (an blatant contradiction of their initial objections).

 

[rightwinger]

Let's see: I'm a college girl and I have to spend $15 on oral contraceptives this month because my religion-operated school won't pay for it.

And, dammit, I really need lip color and gloss, and that's also $15.

What shall I ever do?

I am a diabetic and I have to spend $210 a month on insulin.

And dammit, I really need my cigarettes that cost $210 a month

What shall I ever do?

 

[amrchaos]

Really?

Why do millions of Americans pay for birth control then? You need to get the word out

Drug stores need to stop selling condoms....after all, they are free

Free family planning, pelvics, birth control:
Planned Parenthood

1001 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036
http://www.plannedparenthood.org

(202) 464-3280

FREE CONDOMS IN DC:

DOH: Free Condom Locations

OK Conservatives....here's the deal

Either you want Planned Parenthood or you don't

You can't scream to defund Planned Parenthood one week and then say insurance does not need to pay for birth control because we have Planned Parenthood the next

Actually, the conservatives want Planned Parenthood to stop advising (and I think in some cases providing--I could be wrong) abortion.

If Planned Parenthood can step to the conservative program, the conservatives will stop trying to defund Planned Parenthood.

I thought everyone understood that from the get go. What is the conservatives number one issue with Planned Parenthood? ABORTION!

What is its number two issue? uhmmm, uh, hmmm--They are liberal because they love abortion?

 

[BlindBoo]

Birth control is a smokescreen. This is about expanding government powers. In this case, it is a two-pronged attack.

First, forcing employers to provide a health insurance fringe benefit. Any pretensions about these new government powers driving down costs for everyone are exposed for the lies they are by the permanent institutionalization of this cost amplifier.

Second, forcing religious people to engage in a behavior which is against their morals. Never again can the Left pretend that other people's values are important to them, because they have demonstrated they are as intolerant and immoral as it gets.

You guys are too much.

No one is being force to go against their morals.

Forcing a faith-based organization to provide birth control that is against their religion is forcing them to go against their morals. I can't believe this even needs to be explained. I guess it is so the Left can keep making it about birth control and not religious freedom.

Never again can the Left pretend that other people's values are important to them, because they have demonstrated they are as intolerant and immoral as it gets.

Churhes and church employees are exempt. Businesses they run are not. But then again I don't believe a hospital is faith-based. Furthermore it will be the insurance providers that supply the benefit.

 

[koshergrl]

A hospital is faith based if it is owned by the church and they say it is.

 

[BlindBoo]

As for the Catholic Church component to all this mess, parishes and dioceses are not required to offer birth control; just Catholic-run organizations that hire non-Catholics. This ensures that individuals can make their own decisions instead of an organization making decisions for them.

I cannot understand why conservatives are up in arms about this! It protects the rights of the individual. I thought conservatives were all for individual rights.

It's because they're not really conservatives, they are pseudo-conservatives!

 

[BlindBoo]

First, forcing employers to provide a health insurance fringe benefit. Any pretensions about these new government powers driving down costs for everyone are exposed for the lies they are by the permanent institutionalization of this cost amplifier.

There are no ‘new government powers,’ Congress has always had the authority to regulate insurance companies and employee compensation.

Congress has never forced employers to provide health insurance. That is a new power under ObamaCare.

No religious person is being ‘forced’ to engage in any activity in violation of a religious tenet

Are you stupid? The Catholic church is opposed to birth control. Therefore, forcing the Catholic Church to provide birth control to its employees is forcing the Catholic Church to violate a religious tenet.

This issue has nothing to do with availability of contraceptives or how much they cost.

This is the only thing you got right. It has to do with religious freedom.

The Catholic Church doesn't have to provide it's employees with this health care option. Businesses, however are not churches.

 

[koshergrl]

Wrong. Churches are businesses. Ask any business officer of any church.

 

[koshergrl]

Really?

Why do millions of Americans pay for birth control then? You need to get the word out

Drug stores need to stop selling condoms....after all, they are free

Free family planning, pelvics, birth control:
Planned Parenthood

1001 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20036
http://www.plannedparenthood.org

(202) 464-3280

FREE CONDOMS IN DC:

DOH: Free Condom Locations

the condoms are not free...

They're free for the people who want them.

 

[Disturbed1]

Birth control is a smokescreen. This is about expanding government powers. In this case, it is a two-pronged attack.

First, forcing employers to provide a health insurance fringe benefit. Any pretensions about these new government powers driving down costs for everyone are exposed for the lies they are by the permanent institutionalization of this cost amplifier.

Second, forcing religious people to engage in a behavior which is against their morals. Never again can the Left pretend that other people's values are important to them, because they have demonstrated they are as intolerant and immoral as it gets.

Not to mention it's a tactic by Obama to gain favor with certain voters, and to deflect from the real issue which is, everything he campaigned on four years ago, he can't even mention because he has done nothing. He's an utter failure as a president. This is why he keeps deflecting the issue from the economy, energy, foreign policy etc.....

 

[Disturbed1]

Birth control is a smokescreen. This is about expanding government powers. In this case, it is a two-pronged attack.

First, forcing employers to provide a health insurance fringe benefit. Any pretensions about these new government powers driving down costs for everyone are exposed for the lies they are by the permanent institutionalization of this cost amplifier.

Second, forcing religious people to engage in a behavior which is against their morals. Never again can the Left pretend that other people's values are important to them, because they have demonstrated they are as intolerant and immoral as it gets.

You guys are too much.

No one is being force to go against their morals. If you have a religious conviction against taking birth control you are not required to take it. However looks like secular society is getting tired of religious institutions forcing their morals on non-believers in the form of sub-par healthcare coverage.

Religious institutions don't force their morals on non believers. Anyone who wants to acquire birth control can do so and religious institutions will not stop them. Will these religious institutions provide them or pay for them in any way? No, because it goes against their religious beliefs. But if someone who is employed by them, wants them they are able to obtain them, and as mentioned before there are options out there. Great healthcare coverage doesn't have to include contraception. I have had insurance plans that cover contraception but all in all the heath care coverage pretty much sucks.

 

[midcan5]

Once and for all, any American and pretty much any human alive in the US today can obtain FREE CONTRACEPTIVES...

OK prove it. This statement is so preposterous it boarders on the absurd. After you have traveled the nation in every small and large town, and where there isn't even a town, come back and tell us about the experience and then I bet you return to reality. We'll wait.

 

[Disturbed1]

Like Rush, a lot of y'all don't seem to understand the difference between condoms and the pill.

Condoms are available for free at Planned Parenthood clinics and even many college campuses. Birth control pills are not.

How many times you have sex is important with condoms because it's one-per-episode. How many times you have sex is unimportant to birth control pills; you take one a day regardless of activity.

Also, birth control pills come with hormones and other drugs. Women can be on birth control for health reasons, such as regulating cycles. I knew one girl who went on birth control when she was 13 for health reasons, not sexual ones.

So condoms are easily obtained in the US. Birth control pills require a prescription and therefore are not easily obtained. Therefore, it's incorrect to say "birth control is available in the US for nothing". Condoms are. The Pill is not.

Nothing is for "nothing" numbskull. someone will be forced to pay for them.. everytime a democrat forces us to provide something and takes money from our pockets we lose another freedom.

Another thing that you , like Rush, does not understand. Obama's plan does NOT require public funds to be spent on this. The insurance companies will pay for it, meaning they will pass along the cost to the people paying for insurance and using birth control. If I take medication, I pay my co-pay and my insurance pays the rest. You don't pay a cent for my medication.

What's going to happen, since insurances have to now provide BC free of charge, they will pass the cost to the policy holders in the form of increased premiums. They aren't going to eat the cost and you don't get an individual copay for yourself. THe copay is based on the plan you have, usually through your employer.