So can we all please agree

[koshergrl]

Actually, no, and no.

But keep pumping out your off topic (and untrue) bs...maybe nobody will notice what the facts of the situation are.

 

[Foxfyre]

However, institutions and employers that receive federal or state financial assistance (whether directly via grants or indirectly via tax relief or other subsidies) should provide access to birth control. It goes against the public interest and basic common sense to think otherwise.

The Catholic Church hierarchy opposes contraception while the vast majority of its adherents do not. Nighty-eight percent of sexually active Catholic women use some form of contraception, indicating that the vast majority of Catholic women do not share the official views of the Church with respect to birth control. Mutual respect for religious beliefs is part of what makes America an attractive place for many, but there comes a time when it must bow to the needs of public health.

If the rule that an institution’s insurance must cover birth control is so offensive, perhaps it is time for university administrators to explore a new industry or at least refuse to accept federal funding.

Catholic Universities That Receive Federal Funding Must Provide Access to Birth Control @PolicyMic | Lise Rahdert

What we keep saying however, and what doesn't seem to be sinking in, is that not providing a product out of religious conviction or any other reason is not the same thing as denying access to that product. What anybody does in their private life or whatever convictions they do or do not hold does not change that in the least.

I would agree with you if the Church was saying that its employees cannot work there if they use contraceptives. That has not been the case nor the issue. The issue is whether the Catholic Church (or anybody else, however) MUST provide a product that goes against their teachings/convictions or just because they prefer to use the money for something else.

The issue is whether the federal government or the President has the power to order anybody to buy anything if they do not wish to buy that product. The issue is that a government who can order you to buy something that you don't want is a government that can do to you anything it wants.

Churches and their employees are exempt.

I suppose the SC will decide if the Feds have that power or not. But it (the fed) is also making requirements of the insurance providers as well by forcing them to cover birth control pills as part of overall womens healthcare.

If there had not been such a firestorm of protest, however, our Fearless Leader would not have allowed those churches and employees to be exempt. But, to calm the storm, they then shifted to making it mandatory that the insurance company include contraceptives in their coverage. For those of us who are not Catholic (and probably for most of the Catholics too), that was just as overstepping and just as objectionable on the same grounds. The Federal government should have no power to dictate to any religious organizaton or any other organization what it must provide for its employees and the Federal government should have no power to dictate to any private entity what products it must buy or must offer for sale.

So, to change the debate, Miss Fluke is recruited to testify before the Senate and change the debate from one of government overstepping to a woman's health issue (which it is not and never was.) That was so much easier to sell and defend and deflect attention from how much government was overstepping its power.

So Rushbo takes that bait, pours gasoline on what would otherwise have been a temporary flicker, and voila!!!! The big government supporters and the gullible and the anti-constitutionalists and all others who trust government more than the individual to run individual lives jump on board and say yes!!!! It is right and good and wonderful and noble and righteous that the government force the insurance companies to provide contraceptives for surely nobody can be expected to take that responsibility for themselves and surely women will die if the government fails to provide for them.

And our individual liberties, choices, and options continue to be chipped away, one by one. How long could it be before we have none?