Discussion in 'Politics' started by Meister, Feb 23, 2011.
A simple question:
Should state unions be stronger than a state government?
A state government can kill someone (see death row). A union cannot legally kill anyone.
A state government has an obligation to its employees to provide decent, safe working conditions and a competative wage for labor. Should a state government be so strong that this simple obligation can be breached?
NO. If the union was more powerful than the government, then the government isn't the government, the union is.
Not all state jobs are union jobs. They still enjoy a decent safe working environment with competative wages. But, aren't the unions pension and benefit contracts helping to bankrupt several states?
And the state government's aren't? The government is the biggest culprit for states going bankrupt-not unions.
Unions are running this country into the ground.
What we're seeing is what happens when anyone dares to stop them.
Then, who's taxes are paying for the unfunded benefit and pension contracts? Not the unions. I never said that it was the unions alone that are doing it, but "helping" to do it. There are cuts going on throughout state budgets, but it seems the unions are "untouchable"?
Union Bob says: "Of course the union should be more powerful than the government. As should a private union be more powerful than the company it works for. Thats common sense. What kind of society do we live in if workers unions can't force their employer to meet all their demands? Forcing your boss to meet all your demands is what a civil society is all about. Now............it's time for my lunch break, be back in a few hours."
I'll agree with this somewhat. I think some unions are needed for certain industries-but they do overstep what they should be doing, and certainly the amounts of unions is too high. I went to school in Buffalo, and the road workers were all union-they took months (literally probably 2-3) just to repave a road maybe a half mile long-everytime I'd drive by them (everyday on the way to school), they'd just be sitting there doing nothing. So I agree it is a problem, and while you may not be saying it yourself-there are many who think it's the single biggest problem to the economy.
I don't think they're untouchable from state governments-but I think there are other areas that should be addressed first (at least in my state-I can't speak on behalf of other states).
In other words, yes I think they need to be dealt with-but I think others are driving it way out of proportion.
Why not just renegociate the contracts? Why eliminate ther right to collective bargaining?
I'll bet there are some ways to trim the budget without eliminating workers rights.
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