Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

[Seawytch]

Voting is a fundamental right, period. Try having better ideas instead of taking away fundamental rights.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Voting is a fundamental right, period. Try having better ideas instead of taking away fundamental rights.

You sound like a second amendment supporter.

 

[Seawytch]

Voting is a fundamental right, period. Try having better ideas instead of taking away fundamental rights.

You sound like a second amendment supporter.

I am.

 

[RDD_1210]

So are you "conservatives" who endorse this idea also supporting an increase in taxes as well in order to get more people eligible to vote?

 

[PoliticalChic]

With respect to the OP, it is interesting that today, January 23....


...1964, the 24th Amendment was ratified, banning a poll tax in federal elections.

 

[Avatar4321]

Problem is that with our current tax code, it's difficult to tell who is actually paying taxes and who isn't. And which taxes are we talking about? Income taxes? State taxes?

I've always said that if "No taxation without representation" is true, that "No representation without taxation" would likewise be true. Mainly because the two are intimately connected.

However, the solution to remedy that is not denying people the right to vote, but rather requiring everyone to pay taxes.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So are you "conservatives" who endorse this idea also supporting an increase in taxes as well in order to get more people eligible to vote?

Sure..as long as those taxes are levied on those who pay very little.
But like I said. Everyone pays taxes of some sort. A better way would be no voting if you're on the gov dole.

 

[Seawytch]

It's like y'all never heard of sales tax.

 

[clevergirl]

Problem is that with our current tax code, it's difficult to tell who is actually paying taxes and who isn't. And which taxes are we talking about? Income taxes? State taxes?

I've always said that if "No taxation without representation" is true, that "No representation without taxation" would likewise be true. Mainly because the two are intimately connected.

However, the solution to remedy that is not denying people the right to vote, but rather requiring everyone to pay taxes.

Everyone does pay tax of some sort. That said, the fact that those who do not pay an income tax or property tax get to vote to raise taxes on those that do, is a total cluster fuck and is the root cause to partisan divides in this country.

Owning property and being a citizen were the original test to voting rights. In other words a vested interest in the process. Now so many merely demand from government, (government being equal to those persons supporting it financially) without risk to themselves, a "free ride".

A solution might be that on tax and bond issues, a person must actually pay these taxes to vote on them. It could be easily established and tracked...but it will never happen, because liberals, have the welfare vote locked in- albeit at the expense of our nations future.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

Fucking moron.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

 

[Avatar4321]

So are you "conservatives" who endorse this idea also supporting an increase in taxes as well in order to get more people eligible to vote?

If we are to treat everyone equal, as conservatives desire, every person working would pay taxes. At a very low rate.

The point is to increase the tax base, not increase the tax rate. There is no reason we can't just have everyone pay a 3-5% rate. Especially when the 16th amendment passed on the promise that our tax rates would not rise above 5%.

Every person should be allowed to fulfill their responsibility in paying the government. We shouldn't be treating people differently. We shouldn't have all these deductions and exemptions which allow the Federal Government to control our life. We should have one low flat rate. Minimize buearucracy. Maximize efficiency. Simplify everyone's life. And ensure maximum freedom.

 

[Avatar4321]

Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

Fucking moron.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

How is that an appropriate response to asking a question? Great. Cite the current law. That's fine. It doesn't answer the question of whether it should be the current law of the land, which is what he is asking. How is anyone a moron for asking questions?

 

[oldfart]

How about entrepreneur/investors during their first year (or maybe two) starting up their company? It's quite common for them not to make any money.

Should they not be allowed to vote?

Actually no. The proto-typical job-creating entrepreneur is a citizen of another country (so they can't vote) who came to America to attend graduate school, obtained a degree, started his company, and as soon as he is successful will be deported. The jobs created will disappear as his talents will add to the economic base of his home country. Americans are becoming a minority in graduate schools of science and engineering in America.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

Fucking moron.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

How is that an appropriate response to asking a question? Great. Cite the current law. That's fine. It doesn't answer the question of whether it should be the current law of the land, which is what he is asking. How is anyone a moron for asking questions?

Perhaps the OP should read some of the history behind the 24th. Its not like the People came up with that one just because why not.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Stay at home moms claimed as dependents on their husband's taxes would lose their right to vote.

Conservative family values.

 

[Avatar4321]

Fucking moron.

How is that an appropriate response to asking a question? Great. Cite the current law. That's fine. It doesn't answer the question of whether it should be the current law of the land, which is what he is asking. How is anyone a moron for asking questions?

Perhaps the OP should read some of the history behind the 24th. Its not like the People came up with that one just because why not.

Im very familiar with it. Perhaps you should try participating in a discussion. Maybe even arguing for an issue with facts instead of trying to insult people just because the questions they ask threaten your frail paradigm.

Unfortunately, you, like countless others, are trapped in this mindset that there is no need to ask questions that make us think. Being forced to think about things we dont necessary agree with isn't a bad thing. In fact, it helps us learn how to argue our points better and determine what we actually do think and believe. By not challenging yourself you aren't open to growing.

As much as I don't care for GIM's ideas most of the time, he, at least, isn't afraid to ask questions or make himself or others think.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Stay at home moms claimed as dependents on their husband's taxes would lose their right to vote.

Conservative family values.

This would also include

a) many low ranking enlisted members of the military
b) many retirees who paid plenty of taxes in their lifetimes but now pay none.
c) many college students
d) folks who took personal responsibility and saved their money in case they lost their jobs - and then lost them - and are now living off of savings but paying no taxes.
e) small businessmen who own businesses where the profits can vary widely from year to year, such that in some years they pay no taxes. These are the highest risk small businesses.

It would tend to exclude people with families to raise and tend not to exclude single people with no responsibility outside themselves, and it would tend to exclude the young and the old and tend not to exclude those in their primes.

The system would overwhelmingly favor those in their primes with no families to raise - in other words, the typical libertarian message board poster.

 

[Avatar4321]

Stay at home moms claimed as dependents on their husband's taxes would lose their right to vote.

Conservative family values.

Not actually true. As long as they file jointly, the income of both husband and wife are the same. There is no issue there unless you try to fabricate one. Perhaps you might want to try a better argument.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

How is that an appropriate response to asking a question? Great. Cite the current law. That's fine. It doesn't answer the question of whether it should be the current law of the land, which is what he is asking. How is anyone a moron for asking questions?

Perhaps the OP should read some of the history behind the 24th. Its not like the People came up with that one just because why not.

Im very familiar with it. Perhaps you should try participating in a discussion. Maybe even arguing for an issue with facts instead of trying to insult people just because the questions they ask threaten your frail paradigm.

Unfortunately, you, like countless others, are trapped in this mindset that there is no need to ask questions that make us think. Being forced to think about things we dont necessary agree with isn't a bad thing. In fact, it helps us learn how to argue our points better and determine what we actually do think and believe. By not challenging yourself you aren't open to growing.

As much as I don't care for GIM's ideas most of the time, he, at least, isn't afraid to ask questions or make himself or others think.

Its a stupid idea. NO we don't want to go back to a POLL TAX. Maybe while we're at it, we'll repeal the 19th? For fucks sake no I'm not interested in going BACKWARDS.

 

[Seawytch]

Stay at home moms claimed as dependents on their husband's taxes would lose their right to vote.

Conservative family values.

Not actually true. As long as they file jointly, the income of both husband and wife are the same. There is no issue there unless you try to fabricate one. Perhaps you might want to try a better argument.

I can't file jointly with my spouse.