Rudy: not only would I testify, I would love to try the case as well

[Ray From Cleveland]

Biden and DumBama didn't? I asked these questions of Care, and you respond with that? You mean to tell me that Biden didn't give Ukraine a quid pro quo? I have evidence he did. You mean to tell me that Obama didn't use executive privilege to not give documentation to the US Congress? I have evidence he did exactly that.

Biden did engage in a quid pro quo with Ukraine as part of an overall foreign policy with that country to encourage them to reform and overcome their corruption. He did it for the benefit of US foreign policy, not an individual personal benefit as did Trump.

Obama did assert executive privilege with Congress after having handed over thousands upon thousands of documents and having witnesses testify dozens of times in the congressional probe. Trump has blocked any and all requests and subpoenas from the House, which is a huge difference.

Saying Trump did it for personal reasons is like saying Joe did the same, by having the prosecutor who was investigating the firm his son worked for making 80K a month. I call that personal. Furthermore, there was no personal gain of any kind for Trump given Biden was not his opponent in the race. It's a Democrat lie.

The prosecutor was not investigating the firm his son worked for.

If Biden isn’t an opponent of Trump, why is Trump running campaign ads against him?

The prosecutor said the exact opposite. According to Shokin, he was in the process of investigating money laundering by Hunter, and was about to confiscate Burisma assets. Now we find out a criminal investigation in the US started for the same reasons. Plus Hunter has owed back taxes for the last five years, and amazingly enough, the IRS never went after him. No fines, no accumulated interest, nothing.

Shokin is a liar. There was no investigation of Hunter Biden and the investigation into Burisma was closed. There is no criminal investigation of Hunter Biden. Maybe the reason that the IRS didn't go after him was because they don't have a case.

Yeah, because the Democrats said so, therefore it must be true.

 

[busybee01]

Calling witnesses pertinent to the defendant's charges and his defense showing he did not committed the charged with articles of impeachment....


It's not about whether Biden's were crooks or not.

If they were, they will have their own trial.

He can't justify his own alleged crimes, by pointing out alleged crimes of others... You do realize those games like that are not played in a trial?

Did Trump do what he was charged with, or not? That is the truth we are after....in the trial.

Trump knows the WB and Biden's can not help him in his defense of his article charges, and is only calling for them to testify even though they can't help,

Because he knows he will be denied those irrelevant witnesses...

But then can claim to his ignorant to the law followers...

That since he can't have his two irrelevant witnesses, the prosecution should not be allowed their REVELANT witnesses.

This whole shenanigans of his is TO PREVENT ANY WITNESSES against him from being able to testify under oath... by him claiming he can't have his witnesses, so no one can have them.

You have a very distorted view of the legal process. If Joe Biden was indeed embezzling tax money, that proves that trump was simply trying to uncover corruption. That in and of itself would blow the democrats case out of the water. Any jury worth a shit would see that and acquit. And then at that point joe Biden now has his own problems to deal with as prosecution now targets him.

Get it now? Or are you still going to be a moron?

Paulie,

it is not the president's job to do such, with his personal campaign lawyer Giuliani and two goons that were charged with money laundering $350,000 from Russians in to a Trump campaign PAC, illegaly. Whatever they gather as info, likely would not be able to be used in a court of law..

it is the DOJ's and FBI's job to do this, following the constitution of protecting American citizen's rights, while investigating, NOT THE PRESIDENT'S....

and no matter what is found, it has no bearing on Trump, BREAKING the Law.... his high crimes accusations....

AND THERE IS NO QUESTION THIS WAS FOR PERSONAL GAIN....

THE only way Velensky could get the military aid and his coveted DC. Whitehouse meeting, was to make an announcement that the Ukraine prosecutors were reopening a case involving the Bidens....

NOW YOU HONESTLY TELL ME,

what was the goal and purpose of this being necessary, for the money/meeting?

Amb. Sondland testified that Velensky actually did not have to do the investigation, he just had to announce it on CNN....

CAN YOU explain that....?

Your first sentence is literally mind boggling to me. You have watched way too much television and been indoctrinated by way too much mainstream media opinions. That sentence alone, regardless of the rest of the horse shit you’ve spewed in this thread is enough to brand you an idiot.

Please explain your reasoning, as to why?

The president takes en oath to defend the country against all enemies foreign AND domestic. If someone in government is committing crimes against the country, there is nothing whatsoever that precludes him from investigating it. Whether or not that person happens to be running for office is irrelevant. You can certainly TRY to make it seem like that’s the case, which the dems have done, but people aren’t buying it. The dems don’t even seem to feel confident about their case otherwise they would send the articles over and start the trial. In said trial, like any other trial, the defense has the right to call witnesses to testify just as the prosecution does.

Do you get it yet? Or do I need to write it in crayon?

Yes there is. A President cannot open a criminal investigation of whoever he wants. Giuliani is consorting with shady characters with ties to Russia. Even Lindsey Graham conceded this could be Russian propaganda as several of these so-called witnesses have ties to Russia. The fact is that there is no evidence as the DOJ has not opened a investigation. The people are buying that Trump was wrong to do what he did. What they disagree on is the remedy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You probably didn't read all the posts in the thread, but I said early on I don't know if Rudy will testify, whether they will let him testify, or if he's simply challenging Piglisi and Schiff. I don't think they will let him run the hearing if they have one though.

It may very well be that Rudy wants to see if he can pressure Piglosi into not forwarding the articles to the Senate in fear of what he might have.

Schiff: Trump-Ukraine whistleblower agrees to testify before Congress

Ray, she's eaten Trumps lunch several times in public and at the White House. You probably saw the famous photograph of her point her finger at him across the table, while all the Republicans on his side were looking down or away and Trump had a visibly shocked look of a kid that was being called down by the teacher. She's got her faults, but she ain't worried about Rudy.

Yea, I remember that photo op. But let me explain something to you:

The Democrats went into Defcon One mode once they learned that Trump may be onto Biden. That's the reason for this lie of an impeachment. The Biden's have something going on there in Ukraine, and the Democrats seemingly will do whatever it takes to stop any peeking into that situation.

Hunter is a drug addict, kicked out of the military; a man with no experience in the energy field, and of all the people in the world to choose from, Hunter gets this lucrative job that paid 80K a month. He didn't know the field, didn't know the country, didn't speak the language, but he mysteriously got this job his father was overseeing.

Trump is not on to anyone. The Bidens have nothing going on and there is not one shred of evidence to support that. If there was then the DOJ could open a investigation.

Rush Limbaugh was a addict as well as Hunter Biden. It is a sickness. The fact is that Warren Buffet sat on the Board of Directors of Heinz and he knows nothing about ketchup. There is no evidence that Hunter Biden did anything illegal in getting the position. The Board of Directors does not run the company. They do not have to know anything about the field the company is in. If Biden was protecting his sun he would not have wanted the corrupt prosecutor who closed the investigation into Burisma removed.

There is enough there to suspect a lot of things that went on. First off, Shokin's interview where he stated he was investigating Hunter, and also stated that's the reason he was fired. Now we have this criminal investigation of money laundering and Burisma in the US, which is related to his paternity lawsuit. The guy hasn't paid his taxes in five years, another suspicious matter.

Warren is not some ambulance chaser. He is an experienced businessman, and a very wealthy one at that like Trump. Of course it's no problem if he sat on a board of a product he was unfamiliar with. He certainly didn't do it for the money.

What Shokin said is irrelevant. He clearly has every reason to get even with Biden. The DOJ has already looked at this and seen nothing illegal. This is one Ukrainian anti-corruption activist who disagrees with you and Giuliani.

Daria Kaleniuk‏ @dkaleniuk
Replying to @OliverBullough
Thank you @OliverBullough - indeed it’s insane to use UKRAINE as a ball at the AMERICAN national political field. Prosecutor Shokin did not open the case on Zlochevskyi & Burisma. He dumped it. And he was fired for being corrupt and failing prosecution reform @kenvogel

12:52 PM - 2 May 2019

She also states that Shokin was corrupt and there was no investigation of Burisma. Several GOP Senators like Ron Johnson also wrote a letter about standing against corruption in Ukraine. They had no problem with what Biden did. It is only now when Biden poses a major threat to Trump's re-election that attacks on Biden start. She's talking about you buddy boy when she talks about the American political field. China also knows what this is all about. They refused to get involved in domestic politics.

Warren knows nothing about running a company like Heinz. He does not need to as Boards of Directors do not run companies. Accepting money for sitting on a board is illegal? Give us the statute. Joe Biden released his taxes when he was VP and has released all of his tax returns for the last 20 years. Trump has not. Who is trying to hide something?

Warren is a lifelong businessman. He doesn't need to know the company product to be on a board. Drug head is just a lawyer, not a businessman. He knows nothing of that business or any bushiness.

It makes sense to have a successful businessman on a board than it does a failed lawyer, who's only experience is the opportunities his father gave to him.

Shokin is corrupt, but so is the Democrat party. I'll take the word from the horses mouth instead of the horses ass any day of the week.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You have a very distorted view of the legal process. If Joe Biden was indeed embezzling tax money, that proves that trump was simply trying to uncover corruption. That in and of itself would blow the democrats case out of the water. Any jury worth a shit would see that and acquit. And then at that point joe Biden now has his own problems to deal with as prosecution now targets him.

Get it now? Or are you still going to be a moron?

Paulie,

it is not the president's job to do such, with his personal campaign lawyer Giuliani and two goons that were charged with money laundering $350,000 from Russians in to a Trump campaign PAC, illegaly. Whatever they gather as info, likely would not be able to be used in a court of law..

it is the DOJ's and FBI's job to do this, following the constitution of protecting American citizen's rights, while investigating, NOT THE PRESIDENT'S....

and no matter what is found, it has no bearing on Trump, BREAKING the Law.... his high crimes accusations....

AND THERE IS NO QUESTION THIS WAS FOR PERSONAL GAIN....

THE only way Velensky could get the military aid and his coveted DC. Whitehouse meeting, was to make an announcement that the Ukraine prosecutors were reopening a case involving the Bidens....

NOW YOU HONESTLY TELL ME,

what was the goal and purpose of this being necessary, for the money/meeting?

Amb. Sondland testified that Velensky actually did not have to do the investigation, he just had to announce it on CNN....

CAN YOU explain that....?

Your first sentence is literally mind boggling to me. You have watched way too much television and been indoctrinated by way too much mainstream media opinions. That sentence alone, regardless of the rest of the horse shit you’ve spewed in this thread is enough to brand you an idiot.

Please explain your reasoning, as to why?

The president takes en oath to defend the country against all enemies foreign AND domestic. If someone in government is committing crimes against the country, there is nothing whatsoever that precludes him from investigating it. Whether or not that person happens to be running for office is irrelevant. You can certainly TRY to make it seem like that’s the case, which the dems have done, but people aren’t buying it. The dems don’t even seem to feel confident about their case otherwise they would send the articles over and start the trial. In said trial, like any other trial, the defense has the right to call witnesses to testify just as the prosecution does.

Do you get it yet? Or do I need to write it in crayon?

Yes there is. A President cannot open a criminal investigation of whoever he wants. Giuliani is consorting with shady characters with ties to Russia. Even Lindsey Graham conceded this could be Russian propaganda as several of these so-called witnesses have ties to Russia. The fact is that there is no evidence as the DOJ has not opened a investigation. The people are buying that Trump was wrong to do what he did. What they disagree on is the remedy.

Trump never opened up any investigation. Again, find me the word "investigation" in the transcript. All Trump did was ask Zelensky to look into the matter, with no strings attached.

 

[busybee01]

Are you still claiming a “perfect” phone call?
A phone call that got a president impeached

It would be like claiming Clinton got a perfect blowjob

Yes, the phone call that the commies lied about. Trump never told Zelensky you better do X, or else. That's what Biden did, not Trump. Biden was not and is not Trump's contender. Biden is the contender of fellow Democrats running for the nomination.

It was all a pack of lies.

You are the one who is giving us a pack of lies.

Trump talked about all the money we give them and there are several things we would like you to do. Trump made it vey clear that he wanted a phony investigation into Biden. Biden is the biggest threat to Trump and Trump clearly knows that. The policy that was enunciated by Biden was coordinated with the State Department, our allies and the IMF and supported by ordinary Ukrainians.

Trump made no threat of US aid. That's the point. You have an impeachment here based on assumptions instead of actual words or intent. Biden is no threat to Trump. The man can't even face the right way on a stage. He doesn't know what state he's in. He's a gaff a minute. Biden would be the easiest opponent to run against out of the clown car.

You are giving us another pack of lies.

Trump is not going to make a direct threat. He was making his point when he said the US was giving them a lot of money. The Ukrainians were well aware of the fact that Trump was threatening to withhold military aid if Ukraine didn't open a investigation of Biden. That was even before the phone call. Even Karl Rove is aware of the fact that Biden poses the greatest danger even though I don't agree with his statement Biden is the only one who can beat Trump. Biden would defeat Trump.

Biden barely stands a chance against the other Socialists yet alone Trump. If this economy continues, nobody will be able to beat him. That's besides the fact that unless the commies can produce a crystal ball where they knew Biden was going to be his opponent, the claim Trump talked about Biden for political reasons is moot.

Also this "Trump made a point" is another mind reading claim by the commies. Nobody knows what's in the individuals mind but the individual. That's why a direct threat (like Biden made with his quid pro quo) is needed for a justified impeachment. This impeachment is unjustified. It's more assuming and suppositions. In a real court of law, the judge would throw the case out before it started.

Boy are you in for a surprise. Biden beats Trump if he gets the nomination. He has a lead beyond the margin of error in 10 states, Buttigieg leads in 2, Warren 1. Also the fact that Republicans are cancelling primaries also helps Biden as you could see crossover Republicans vote for Biden. The economic recovery is a continuation of what started under Obama. The fact that Trump believes that Biden is his biggest challenge is enough.

It has nothing to do with mind reading. The intent is clear. Biden's statement was coordinated by the State Department, our allies, the IMF and supported by anti-corruption activists in Ukraine. Republicans had no issue with it until Biden decided to run for President. The impeachment is more than justified. You have no idea what a court of law would do and it is not germane.

 

[busybee01]

Ray, she's eaten Trumps lunch several times in public and at the White House. You probably saw the famous photograph of her point her finger at him across the table, while all the Republicans on his side were looking down or away and Trump had a visibly shocked look of a kid that was being called down by the teacher. She's got her faults, but she ain't worried about Rudy.

Yea, I remember that photo op. But let me explain something to you:

The Democrats went into Defcon One mode once they learned that Trump may be onto Biden. That's the reason for this lie of an impeachment. The Biden's have something going on there in Ukraine, and the Democrats seemingly will do whatever it takes to stop any peeking into that situation.

Hunter is a drug addict, kicked out of the military; a man with no experience in the energy field, and of all the people in the world to choose from, Hunter gets this lucrative job that paid 80K a month. He didn't know the field, didn't know the country, didn't speak the language, but he mysteriously got this job his father was overseeing.

Trump is not on to anyone. The Bidens have nothing going on and there is not one shred of evidence to support that. If there was then the DOJ could open a investigation.

Rush Limbaugh was a addict as well as Hunter Biden. It is a sickness. The fact is that Warren Buffet sat on the Board of Directors of Heinz and he knows nothing about ketchup. There is no evidence that Hunter Biden did anything illegal in getting the position. The Board of Directors does not run the company. They do not have to know anything about the field the company is in. If Biden was protecting his sun he would not have wanted the corrupt prosecutor who closed the investigation into Burisma removed.

There is enough there to suspect a lot of things that went on. First off, Shokin's interview where he stated he was investigating Hunter, and also stated that's the reason he was fired. Now we have this criminal investigation of money laundering and Burisma in the US, which is related to his paternity lawsuit. The guy hasn't paid his taxes in five years, another suspicious matter.

Warren is not some ambulance chaser. He is an experienced businessman, and a very wealthy one at that like Trump. Of course it's no problem if he sat on a board of a product he was unfamiliar with. He certainly didn't do it for the money.

What Shokin said is irrelevant. He clearly has every reason to get even with Biden. The DOJ has already looked at this and seen nothing illegal. This is one Ukrainian anti-corruption activist who disagrees with you and Giuliani.

Daria Kaleniuk‏ @dkaleniuk
Replying to @OliverBullough
Thank you @OliverBullough - indeed it’s insane to use UKRAINE as a ball at the AMERICAN national political field. Prosecutor Shokin did not open the case on Zlochevskyi & Burisma. He dumped it. And he was fired for being corrupt and failing prosecution reform @kenvogel

12:52 PM - 2 May 2019

She also states that Shokin was corrupt and there was no investigation of Burisma. Several GOP Senators like Ron Johnson also wrote a letter about standing against corruption in Ukraine. They had no problem with what Biden did. It is only now when Biden poses a major threat to Trump's re-election that attacks on Biden start. She's talking about you buddy boy when she talks about the American political field. China also knows what this is all about. They refused to get involved in domestic politics.

Warren knows nothing about running a company like Heinz. He does not need to as Boards of Directors do not run companies. Accepting money for sitting on a board is illegal? Give us the statute. Joe Biden released his taxes when he was VP and has released all of his tax returns for the last 20 years. Trump has not. Who is trying to hide something?

Warren is a lifelong businessman. He doesn't need to know the company product to be on a board. Drug head is just a lawyer, not a businessman. He knows nothing of that business or any bushiness.

It makes sense to have a successful businessman on a board than it does a failed lawyer, who's only experience is the opportunities his father gave to him.

Shokin is corrupt, but so is the Democrat party. I'll take the word from the horses mouth instead of the horses ass any day of the week.

He is a financier. He knows how to raise money for businesses and that might have been what they were looking for. There is nothing illegal about it.

You are the horse's ass and a liar to boot. The DOJ does not believe SHOKIN as they are less than impressed with all the people Giuliani has talked with. This is looking like Russia interfering in our elections by putting out false information as they did in 2016. Commie.

 

[busybee01]

Paulie,

it is not the president's job to do such, with his personal campaign lawyer Giuliani and two goons that were charged with money laundering $350,000 from Russians in to a Trump campaign PAC, illegaly. Whatever they gather as info, likely would not be able to be used in a court of law..

it is the DOJ's and FBI's job to do this, following the constitution of protecting American citizen's rights, while investigating, NOT THE PRESIDENT'S....

and no matter what is found, it has no bearing on Trump, BREAKING the Law.... his high crimes accusations....

AND THERE IS NO QUESTION THIS WAS FOR PERSONAL GAIN....

THE only way Velensky could get the military aid and his coveted DC. Whitehouse meeting, was to make an announcement that the Ukraine prosecutors were reopening a case involving the Bidens....

NOW YOU HONESTLY TELL ME,

what was the goal and purpose of this being necessary, for the money/meeting?

Amb. Sondland testified that Velensky actually did not have to do the investigation, he just had to announce it on CNN....

CAN YOU explain that....?

Your first sentence is literally mind boggling to me. You have watched way too much television and been indoctrinated by way too much mainstream media opinions. That sentence alone, regardless of the rest of the horse shit you’ve spewed in this thread is enough to brand you an idiot.

Please explain your reasoning, as to why?

The president takes en oath to defend the country against all enemies foreign AND domestic. If someone in government is committing crimes against the country, there is nothing whatsoever that precludes him from investigating it. Whether or not that person happens to be running for office is irrelevant. You can certainly TRY to make it seem like that’s the case, which the dems have done, but people aren’t buying it. The dems don’t even seem to feel confident about their case otherwise they would send the articles over and start the trial. In said trial, like any other trial, the defense has the right to call witnesses to testify just as the prosecution does.

Do you get it yet? Or do I need to write it in crayon?

Yes there is. A President cannot open a criminal investigation of whoever he wants. Giuliani is consorting with shady characters with ties to Russia. Even Lindsey Graham conceded this could be Russian propaganda as several of these so-called witnesses have ties to Russia. The fact is that there is no evidence as the DOJ has not opened a investigation. The people are buying that Trump was wrong to do what he did. What they disagree on is the remedy.

Trump never opened up any investigation. Again, find me the word "investigation" in the transcript. All Trump did was ask Zelensky to look into the matter, with no strings attached.

You are doing your Bill Clinton impersonation arguing what the meaning of "is" is. That is the same thing.

 

[busybee01]

Biden did engage in a quid pro quo with Ukraine as part of an overall foreign policy with that country to encourage them to reform and overcome their corruption. He did it for the benefit of US foreign policy, not an individual personal benefit as did Trump.

Obama did assert executive privilege with Congress after having handed over thousands upon thousands of documents and having witnesses testify dozens of times in the congressional probe. Trump has blocked any and all requests and subpoenas from the House, which is a huge difference.

Saying Trump did it for personal reasons is like saying Joe did the same, by having the prosecutor who was investigating the firm his son worked for making 80K a month. I call that personal. Furthermore, there was no personal gain of any kind for Trump given Biden was not his opponent in the race. It's a Democrat lie.

The prosecutor was not investigating the firm his son worked for.

If Biden isn’t an opponent of Trump, why is Trump running campaign ads against him?

The prosecutor said the exact opposite. According to Shokin, he was in the process of investigating money laundering by Hunter, and was about to confiscate Burisma assets. Now we find out a criminal investigation in the US started for the same reasons. Plus Hunter has owed back taxes for the last five years, and amazingly enough, the IRS never went after him. No fines, no accumulated interest, nothing.

Shokin is a liar. There was no investigation of Hunter Biden and the investigation into Burisma was closed. There is no criminal investigation of Hunter Biden. Maybe the reason that the IRS didn't go after him was because they don't have a case.

Yeah, because the Democrats said so, therefore it must be true.

Anti-corruption Ukrainians are saying it as well.

Daria Kaleniuk‏ @dkaleniuk
Replying to @OliverBullough
Thank you @OliverBullough - indeed it’s insane to use UKRAINE as a ball at the AMERICAN national political field. Prosecutor Shokin did not open the case on Zlochevskyi & Burisma. He dumped it. And he was fired for being corrupt and failing prosecution reform @kenvogel

12:52 PM - 2 May 2019

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-protest-prosecutor-shokin-dismissal/27639981.htm

You ,maintain you know more than Ukrainians.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your first sentence is literally mind boggling to me. You have watched way too much television and been indoctrinated by way too much mainstream media opinions. That sentence alone, regardless of the rest of the horse shit you’ve spewed in this thread is enough to brand you an idiot.

Please explain your reasoning, as to why?

The president takes en oath to defend the country against all enemies foreign AND domestic. If someone in government is committing crimes against the country, there is nothing whatsoever that precludes him from investigating it. Whether or not that person happens to be running for office is irrelevant. You can certainly TRY to make it seem like that’s the case, which the dems have done, but people aren’t buying it. The dems don’t even seem to feel confident about their case otherwise they would send the articles over and start the trial. In said trial, like any other trial, the defense has the right to call witnesses to testify just as the prosecution does.

Do you get it yet? Or do I need to write it in crayon?

Yes there is. A President cannot open a criminal investigation of whoever he wants. Giuliani is consorting with shady characters with ties to Russia. Even Lindsey Graham conceded this could be Russian propaganda as several of these so-called witnesses have ties to Russia. The fact is that there is no evidence as the DOJ has not opened a investigation. The people are buying that Trump was wrong to do what he did. What they disagree on is the remedy.

Trump never opened up any investigation. Again, find me the word "investigation" in the transcript. All Trump did was ask Zelensky to look into the matter, with no strings attached.

You are doing your Bill Clinton impersonation arguing what the meaning of "is" is. That is the same thing.

Not even close. At no time did Trump even suggest that US aid was contingent on Zelensky's cooperation; no time.

 

[busybee01]

Please explain your reasoning, as to why?

The president takes en oath to defend the country against all enemies foreign AND domestic. If someone in government is committing crimes against the country, there is nothing whatsoever that precludes him from investigating it. Whether or not that person happens to be running for office is irrelevant. You can certainly TRY to make it seem like that’s the case, which the dems have done, but people aren’t buying it. The dems don’t even seem to feel confident about their case otherwise they would send the articles over and start the trial. In said trial, like any other trial, the defense has the right to call witnesses to testify just as the prosecution does.

Do you get it yet? Or do I need to write it in crayon?

Yes there is. A President cannot open a criminal investigation of whoever he wants. Giuliani is consorting with shady characters with ties to Russia. Even Lindsey Graham conceded this could be Russian propaganda as several of these so-called witnesses have ties to Russia. The fact is that there is no evidence as the DOJ has not opened a investigation. The people are buying that Trump was wrong to do what he did. What they disagree on is the remedy.

Trump never opened up any investigation. Again, find me the word "investigation" in the transcript. All Trump did was ask Zelensky to look into the matter, with no strings attached.

You are doing your Bill Clinton impersonation arguing what the meaning of "is" is. That is the same thing.

Not even close. At no time did Trump even suggest that US aid was contingent on Zelensky's cooperation; no time.

The Ukrainians were well aware of the threat to withhold military aid. Giuliani was also pushing it even before the phone call.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, the phone call that the commies lied about. Trump never told Zelensky you better do X, or else. That's what Biden did, not Trump. Biden was not and is not Trump's contender. Biden is the contender of fellow Democrats running for the nomination.

It was all a pack of lies.

You are the one who is giving us a pack of lies.

Trump talked about all the money we give them and there are several things we would like you to do. Trump made it vey clear that he wanted a phony investigation into Biden. Biden is the biggest threat to Trump and Trump clearly knows that. The policy that was enunciated by Biden was coordinated with the State Department, our allies and the IMF and supported by ordinary Ukrainians.

Trump made no threat of US aid. That's the point. You have an impeachment here based on assumptions instead of actual words or intent. Biden is no threat to Trump. The man can't even face the right way on a stage. He doesn't know what state he's in. He's a gaff a minute. Biden would be the easiest opponent to run against out of the clown car.

You are giving us another pack of lies.

Trump is not going to make a direct threat. He was making his point when he said the US was giving them a lot of money. The Ukrainians were well aware of the fact that Trump was threatening to withhold military aid if Ukraine didn't open a investigation of Biden. That was even before the phone call. Even Karl Rove is aware of the fact that Biden poses the greatest danger even though I don't agree with his statement Biden is the only one who can beat Trump. Biden would defeat Trump.

Biden barely stands a chance against the other Socialists yet alone Trump. If this economy continues, nobody will be able to beat him. That's besides the fact that unless the commies can produce a crystal ball where they knew Biden was going to be his opponent, the claim Trump talked about Biden for political reasons is moot.

Also this "Trump made a point" is another mind reading claim by the commies. Nobody knows what's in the individuals mind but the individual. That's why a direct threat (like Biden made with his quid pro quo) is needed for a justified impeachment. This impeachment is unjustified. It's more assuming and suppositions. In a real court of law, the judge would throw the case out before it started.

Boy are you in for a surprise. Biden beats Trump if he gets the nomination. He has a lead beyond the margin of error in 10 states, Buttigieg leads in 2, Warren 1. Also the fact that Republicans are cancelling primaries also helps Biden as you could see crossover Republicans vote for Biden. The economic recovery is a continuation of what started under Obama. The fact that Trump believes that Biden is his biggest challenge is enough.

It has nothing to do with mind reading. The intent is clear. Biden's statement was coordinated by the State Department, our allies, the IMF and supported by anti-corruption activists in Ukraine. Republicans had no issue with it until Biden decided to run for President. The impeachment is more than justified. You have no idea what a court of law would do and it is not germane.

I do know what a court of law would do because in this country, you need empirical evidence to proceed with a case; not some interpretation by a commie network. It's inadmissible in court. Here, you are considered innocent until proven guilty by such evidence.

Last presidential election, your precious polls indicated Hillary was going to mop up the floor with Trump once the two contenders were nominated. Didn't happen. Didn't even come close.

If the Democrats are stupid enough to select Biden, watch how the polls show what you're saying, and about two weeks before the election, go in the exact opposite direction, so they can maintain some credibility.

Polls are no longer there to tell you what people think, they are there to try and convince you what to think.

 

[lennypartiv]

If Rudy is so anxious to act as a defense attorney, he can defend himself when the SDNY filed charges against him.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a Deep State witch hunt against Rudy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If Rudy is so anxious to act as a defense attorney, he can defend himself when the SDNY filed charges against him.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a Deep State witch hunt against Rudy.

The Nazi's are trying to get everybody out of their way that's interfering in the deep state: Trump, Rudy, Pence, Barr, McConnell, Kavanaugh............