Rip up NAFTA, apply 15-20% border tariff and 10's of thousands of jobs will be recovered from Canada

[BluesLegend]

Trump is one man, lets remember we still have the idiots in congress to deal with. Congress has allowed other countries to steal our jobs for decades.

Look, congress uses our jobs as currency, they trade our jobs to other countries for favors and kickbacks, or to benefit a donor or special interest group. This corruption has laid waste to entire industries in the USA.

I wish Trump luck but people lets remember, he's fighting the DC establishment a corrupt cesspool.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I will provide a succinct example which will illustrate where the "race to the bottom" and socialism/quasi-communism will lead you.

Ontario has $315 BILLION in debt, a population of 13.6 Million people, a GDP of $590 BILLION. Little innovation, global leaders or successes, PLENTY of high paid government workers, nepotism, cronies and the like.

California is mocked in America as the big debt state.
Compare the stats:
California: Pop. 38.8M GDP 2.6 TRILLION Debt: $450B
Ontario: Pop. 13.6M GDP $590 BILLION Debt: $315B

Guess which jurisdiction is going to go bankrupt first? All as they try and fix holes in the boat by spending millions more to convince American companies to move jobs here, Canada is the only Western nation without it's own domestic auto industry.

Do you think that socialist tactics drive innovation and free market, or do they subvert capitalism? Guess which economy is being subverted...

 

[expat_panama]

The future is open trade, not restrictive trade...

...we are talking about FAIR trade. Why leave that word out? ...

You answered your own question. You are talking about "fair" trade so we don't have to.

You see we like to buy and sell stuff, and when we find a good opportunity and the other dealer's happy then being 'fair' is as irrelevant as being say, 'pretty'. That's how business works, but in politics 'fairness' is everything as there's always so much mileage to be had from screaming NO FAIR NO FAIR NO FAIR!!!! Yeah, that stuff can be a lot of fun but for me it's a matter of time and energy; personally I'm a bit busy doing all my buying and selling stuff to feed my family so fun and games will just have to wait til later.

 

[miketx]

The future is open trade, not restrictive trade...

...we are talking about FAIR trade. Why leave that word out? ...

You answered your own question. You are talking about "fair" trade so we don't have to.

You see we like to buy and sell stuff, and when we find a good opportunity and the other dealer's happy then being 'fair' is as irrelevant as being say, 'pretty'. That's how business works, but in politics 'fairness' is everything as there's always so much mileage to be had from screaming NO FAIR NO FAIR NO FAIR!!!! Yeah, that stuff can be a lot of fun but for me it's a matter of time and energy; personally I'm a bit busy doing all my buying and selling stuff to feed my family so fun and games will just have to wait til later.

Your ok then with one sided trade deals that hurt Americans.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Trump and his team can't keep his eye off of this issue, if he does, the Democrats will sweep in and take away those who left their party and voted GOP, it's a guarantee. It is by far the #1 reason why he won the election from what I can glean. People want unfair trade deals to be eliminated and jobs to return. After he deals with Mexico and Canada, he needs to work on he China unfair file. This will be heavy lifting, but will be in the best interest of American workers and the future.

This means applying the border tariff to Canada, ripping up NAFTA (which is violated by Canada all the time anyways, as you will read from me). This will ensure American businesses avoid Canada, and, in many cases, move jobs back to America from Canada since any perceived benefit will be gone. Coupled with the tax cuts, this is a powerful antidote.

As someone who considers himself a fiscal conservative and who would never have prescribed to increased tariffs, this has to be done. Globalization requires tweaking, I've stated it before, it has become far too unequal for National economies of liberty loving nations and a massive and unequal drain of jobs from these same countries. Meaning less revenue, a withering middle class and a future that s bleak.

Furthermore, even the globalists need to understand something very important, if America fails, the world leader will be China. Not only will human rights along the world suffer from such a realisation, by osmosis, the watering down of American individualism and rights will be eroded too.

So you want to take out the 2nd LARGEST purchaser of American products MEXICO whom in 2015 purchased 257.3 BILLION in American products?

And you want to take out Canada who purchase 198.2 BILLION American products.

So once you've ripped up NAFTA and created all these jobs in America who do you think is going to buy the stuff that Americans make?

Trump has really pissed off Mexico. One Mexican legislator is calling to boycott American corn, and instead buy in from Brazil. They eat a lot of corn down there. Now what do you suppose this is going to do to American farmers here.
Mexico ready to retaliate by hurting American corn farmers

Trump has really pissed off Mexico.

Oh no!!
Does that mean all their illegal aliens are going to go home now?

If you're to stupid to realize that the second largest purchaser of American Products in the world, Mexico can't hurt us--then you're dumber than shit.

Tariffs and taxes have never created a single job in this country, but they're great for job loss's. Price of the products skyrocket in a trade war, meaning more money out of American consumer pockets, while making foreign products, like foreign cars that much more attractive to American consumers.

In fact the Smoot-Hawley tariff of the 1930's during the great depression is responsible for making the depression more severe and last much longer.
The Smoot-Hawley Tariff and the Great Depression | Theodore Phalan

I'm not stupid, I was accepted to prestigious MBA program in Canada, almost pursued a joint law/business degree. Not that it would have done me any good anyways after I confronted Canada over their violations of NAFTA against America.

Bottom line, yes in general tariffs are a problem, except when your trading partners are already engaging in such tactics, and/or worse. Unfortunately; you like so many others are naive to tactics of abuse. China devalues their currency, Mexico allows the border to be open and keeps wages low. Canada enters US corporations and tampers with the free market a la Eastern Block nations in the 1970's. Here is a posting I just made about Canadian abuses, read it and counter my arguments if you want I stand by what I state:

Canada bribing, paying off U.S businesses to move jobs to Canada. Violate NAFTA:"Canadian Tarriff"

America has been exploited, taken advantage of for decades by multiple nations. The biggest loser by far is the American worker and the middle class. Not to mention the world risks having countries like China lead whiel they weaken America. It has to stop. Trump has to stop this, take it from someone who has paid a steep price for speaking the truth and blowing the whistle. If I outlined to you what my wife and I experienced from this socialist state you would be floored.

Republicans are not going to issue tariffs, or impose a 10% penalty tax on American corporations that move jobs overseas. This would only start a trade war, driving the cost of goods up on American consumers, making foreign products that more attractive to American consumers.

We are a global economy today. If American corporations only sold to Americans they would be out of business in 2 weeks. So they have to move some of their operations overseas to stay competitive in the world market. Someone in India would not be able to purchase an I-phone for $1400.00 US if it was made in this country. Your next shirt would cost $75.00 versus the $15.00 you're paying for it now. Trade has always been a double edged sword. While Americans enjoy cheaper products it also means job losses in this country.

It's really not rocket science.

Economic Draft Dodgers

Retaliatory tariffs cause the same internal problem in the foreign countries. Somebody's going to back down; it's not going to be us. You use "war" as something self-destructive. America used to win all its wars, both trade and military, so bring it on!

 

[brummelben]

Trump and his team can't keep his eye off of this issue, if he does, the Democrats will sweep in and take away those who left their party and voted GOP, it's a guarantee. It is by far the #1 reason why he won the election from what I can glean. People want unfair trade deals to be eliminated and jobs to return. After he deals with Mexico and Canada, he needs to work on he China unfair file. This will be heavy lifting, but will be in the best interest of American workers and the future.

This means applying the border tariff to Canada, ripping up NAFTA (which is violated by Canada all the time anyways, as you will read from me). This will ensure American businesses avoid Canada, and, in many cases, move jobs back to America from Canada since any perceived benefit will be gone. Coupled with the tax cuts, this is a powerful antidote.

As someone who considers himself a fiscal conservative and who would never have prescribed to increased tariffs, this has to be done. Globalization requires tweaking, I've stated it before, it has become far too unequal for National economies of liberty loving nations and a massive and unequal drain of jobs from these same countries. Meaning less revenue, a withering middle class and a future that s bleak.

Furthermore, even the globalists need to understand something very important, if America fails, the world leader will be China. Not only will human rights along the world suffer from such a realisation, by osmosis, the watering down of American individualism and rights will be eroded too.

So you want to take out the 2nd LARGEST purchaser of American products MEXICO whom in 2015 purchased 257.3 BILLION in American products?

And you want to take out Canada who purchase 198.2 BILLION American products.

So once you've ripped up NAFTA and created all these jobs in America who do you think is going to buy the stuff that Americans make?

Trump has really pissed off Mexico. One Mexican legislator is calling to boycott American corn, and instead buy in from Brazil. They eat a lot of corn down there. Now what do you suppose this is going to do to American farmers here.
Mexico ready to retaliate by hurting American corn farmers

Trump has really pissed off Mexico.

Oh no!!
Does that mean all their illegal aliens are going to go home now?

If Mexico starts buying corn from South America, we have a whole lot of farmers who will suffer. If Mexico starts adding additional taxes to those of us Americans who own property in mexico, we will have a whole lot of pissed off Americans

 

[brummelben]

The future is open trade, not restrictive trade...

...we are talking about FAIR trade. Why leave that word out? ...

You answered your own question. You are talking about "fair" trade so we don't have to.

You see we like to buy and sell stuff, and when we find a good opportunity and the other dealer's happy then being 'fair' is as irrelevant as being say, 'pretty'. That's how business works, but in politics 'fairness' is everything as there's always so much mileage to be had from screaming NO FAIR NO FAIR NO FAIR!!!! Yeah, that stuff can be a lot of fun but for me it's a matter of time and energy; personally I'm a bit busy doing all my buying and selling stuff to feed my family so fun and games will just have to wait til later.

Your ok then with one sided trade deals that hurt Americans.

Which trade deals are you specifically referring to?

 

[brummelben]

Trump and his team can't keep his eye off of this issue, if he does, the Democrats will sweep in and take away those who left their party and voted GOP, it's a guarantee. It is by far the #1 reason why he won the election from what I can glean. People want unfair trade deals to be eliminated and jobs to return. After he deals with Mexico and Canada, he needs to work on he China unfair file. This will be heavy lifting, but will be in the best interest of American workers and the future.

This means applying the border tariff to Canada, ripping up NAFTA (which is violated by Canada all the time anyways, as you will read from me). This will ensure American businesses avoid Canada, and, in many cases, move jobs back to America from Canada since any perceived benefit will be gone. Coupled with the tax cuts, this is a powerful antidote.

As someone who considers himself a fiscal conservative and who would never have prescribed to increased tariffs, this has to be done. Globalization requires tweaking, I've stated it before, it has become far too unequal for National economies of liberty loving nations and a massive and unequal drain of jobs from these same countries. Meaning less revenue, a withering middle class and a future that s bleak.

Furthermore, even the globalists need to understand something very important, if America fails, the world leader will be China. Not only will human rights along the world suffer from such a realisation, by osmosis, the watering down of American individualism and rights will be eroded too.

So you want to take out the 2nd LARGEST purchaser of American products MEXICO whom in 2015 purchased 257.3 BILLION in American products?

And you want to take out Canada who purchase 198.2 BILLION American products.

So once you've ripped up NAFTA and created all these jobs in America who do you think is going to buy the stuff that Americans make?

Trump has really pissed off Mexico. One Mexican legislator is calling to boycott American corn, and instead buy in from Brazil. They eat a lot of corn down there. Now what do you suppose this is going to do to American farmers here.
Mexico ready to retaliate by hurting American corn farmers

Trump has really pissed off Mexico.

Oh no!!
Does that mean all their illegal aliens are going to go home now?

If you're to stupid to realize that the second largest purchaser of American Products in the world, Mexico can't hurt us--then you're dumber than shit.

Tariffs and taxes have never created a single job in this country, but they're great for job loss's. Price of the products skyrocket in a trade war, meaning more money out of American consumer pockets, while making foreign products, like foreign cars that much more attractive to American consumers.

In fact the Smoot-Hawley tariff of the 1930's during the great depression is responsible for making the depression more severe and last much longer.
The Smoot-Hawley Tariff and the Great Depression | Theodore Phalan

I'm not stupid, I was accepted to prestigious MBA program in Canada, almost pursued a joint law/business degree. Not that it would have done me any good anyways after I confronted Canada over their violations of NAFTA against America.

Bottom line, yes in general tariffs are a problem, except when your trading partners are already engaging in such tactics, and/or worse. Unfortunately; you like so many others are naive to tactics of abuse. China devalues their currency, Mexico allows the border to be open and keeps wages low. Canada enters US corporations and tampers with the free market a la Eastern Block nations in the 1970's. Here is a posting I just made about Canadian abuses, read it and counter my arguments if you want I stand by what I state:

Canada bribing, paying off U.S businesses to move jobs to Canada. Violate NAFTA:"Canadian Tarriff"

America has been exploited, taken advantage of for decades by multiple nations. The biggest loser by far is the American worker and the middle class. Not to mention the world risks having countries like China lead whiel they weaken America. It has to stop. Trump has to stop this, take it from someone who has paid a steep price for speaking the truth and blowing the whistle. If I outlined to you what my wife and I experienced from this socialist state you would be floored.

The Federal Government cannot demand that American corporations keep jobs in this country. The only thing they can do is lower tax rates and regulations to give them incentives to stay in this country. That's it.

Republicans are not going to issue tariffs, or impose a 10% penalty tax on American corporations that move jobs overseas. This would only start a trade war, driving the cost of goods up on American consumers, making foreign products that more attractive to American consumers.

We are a global economy today. If American corporations only sold to Americans they would be out of business in 2 weeks. So they have to move some of their operations overseas to stay competitive in the world market. Someone in India would not be able to purchase an I-phone for $1400.00 US if it was made in this country. Your next shirt would cost $75.00 versus the $15.00 you're paying for it now. Trade has always been a double edged sword. While Americans enjoy cheaper products it also means job loss's in this country.

It's really not rocket science.

We cannot compete, labor wise, with a third world country paying their people a fraction of what is earned in the US. If companies want and need cheap labor, we aren't going to keep them here. Look at our textile indursry, is almost non existant

 

[brummelben]

Trump is one man, lets remember we still have the idiots in congress to deal with. Congress has allowed other countries to steal our jobs for decades.

Look, congress uses our jobs as currency, they trade our jobs to other countries for favors and kickbacks, or to benefit a donor or special interest group. This corruption has laid waste to entire industries in the USA.

I wish Trump luck but people lets remember, he's fighting the DC establishment a corrupt cesspool.

How does another country "steal" our jobs? No, we seek out cheap labor and those places where we can pollute to hearts content

 

[Timmy]

Trump and his team can't keep his eye off of this issue, if he does, the Democrats will sweep in and take away those who left their party and voted GOP, it's a guarantee. It is by far the #1 reason why he won the election from what I can glean. People want unfair trade deals to be eliminated and jobs to return. After he deals with Mexico and Canada, he needs to work on he China unfair file. This will be heavy lifting, but will be in the best interest of American workers and the future.

This means applying the border tariff to Canada, ripping up NAFTA (which is violated by Canada all the time anyways, as you will read from me). This will ensure American businesses avoid Canada, and, in many cases, move jobs back to America from Canada since any perceived benefit will be gone. Coupled with the tax cuts, this is a powerful antidote.

As someone who considers himself a fiscal conservative and who would never have prescribed to increased tariffs, this has to be done. Globalization requires tweaking, I've stated it before, it has become far too unequal for National economies of liberty loving nations and a massive and unequal drain of jobs from these same countries. Meaning less revenue, a withering middle class and a future that s bleak.

Furthermore, even the globalists need to understand something very important, if America fails, the world leader will be China. Not only will human rights along the world suffer from such a realisation, by osmosis, the watering down of American individualism and rights will be eroded too.

You righties make no sense .

You cheer trump for approving the XL pipeline (an oil pipeline to CANADA!) and then complain of unfair trade and call for tariffs ?

You meatheads are so stupid.

 

[brummelben]

Trump and his team can't keep his eye off of this issue, if he does, the Democrats will sweep in and take away those who left their party and voted GOP, it's a guarantee. It is by far the #1 reason why he won the election from what I can glean. People want unfair trade deals to be eliminated and jobs to return. After he deals with Mexico and Canada, he needs to work on he China unfair file. This will be heavy lifting, but will be in the best interest of American workers and the future.

This means applying the border tariff to Canada, ripping up NAFTA (which is violated by Canada all the time anyways, as you will read from me). This will ensure American businesses avoid Canada, and, in many cases, move jobs back to America from Canada since any perceived benefit will be gone. Coupled with the tax cuts, this is a powerful antidote.

As someone who considers himself a fiscal conservative and who would never have prescribed to increased tariffs, this has to be done. Globalization requires tweaking, I've stated it before, it has become far too unequal for National economies of liberty loving nations and a massive and unequal drain of jobs from these same countries. Meaning less revenue, a withering middle class and a future that s bleak.

Furthermore, even the globalists need to understand something very important, if America fails, the world leader will be China. Not only will human rights along the world suffer from such a realisation, by osmosis, the watering down of American individualism and rights will be eroded too.

You righties make no sense .

You cheer trump for approving the XL pipeline (an oil pipeline to CANADA!) and then complain of unfair trade and call for tariffs ?

You meatheads are so stupid.

Who winds up paying for tariffs - the American consumer

 

[brummelben]

Trump is one man, lets remember we still have the idiots in congress to deal with. Congress has allowed other countries to steal our jobs for decades.

Look, congress uses our jobs as currency, they trade our jobs to other countries for favors and kickbacks, or to benefit a donor or special interest group. This corruption has laid waste to entire industries in the USA.

I wish Trump luck but people lets remember, he's fighting the DC establishment a corrupt cesspool.

I am still wondering how we trade jobs to other countries. Obviously you don't know either, but it looks good on paper

 

[Tehon]

Someone in India would not be able to purchase an I-phone for $1400.00 US if it was made in this country.

That is why Apple should be relegated to making the I-phone for the Indian market in India.

 

[brummelben]

Apple is a very successful company- without your suggestions

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump is one man, lets remember we still have the idiots in congress to deal with. Congress has allowed other countries to steal our jobs for decades.

Look, congress uses our jobs as currency, they trade our jobs to other countries for favors and kickbacks, or to benefit a donor or special interest group. This corruption has laid waste to entire industries in the USA.

I wish Trump luck but people lets remember, he's fighting the DC establishment a corrupt cesspool.

How does another country "steal" our jobs? No, we seek out cheap labor and those places where we can pollute to hearts content

if you want to reduce pollution look no further than Dem run cities. Seattle recently spilled over 200 million gallons of putrid untreated human sewage into Puget Sound, they had to close the beaches it was that nasty.

 

[brummelben]

Trump is one man, lets remember we still have the idiots in congress to deal with. Congress has allowed other countries to steal our jobs for decades.

Look, congress uses our jobs as currency, they trade our jobs to other countries for favors and kickbacks, or to benefit a donor or special interest group. This corruption has laid waste to entire industries in the USA.

I wish Trump luck but people lets remember, he's fighting the DC establishment a corrupt cesspool.

How does another country "steal" our jobs? No, we seek out cheap labor and those places where we can pollute to hearts content

if you want to reduce pollution look no further than Dem run cities. Seattle recently spilled over 200 million gallons of putrid untreated human sewage into Puget Sound, they had to close the beaches it was that nasty.

What exactly does a democratic run city have to do with this tragedy, Homer. If everything political to you

 

[Tehon]

Apple is a very successful company- without your suggestions

I'm not trying to make Apple a more successful company. I am trying to improve our society.

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump is one man, lets remember we still have the idiots in congress to deal with. Congress has allowed other countries to steal our jobs for decades.

Look, congress uses our jobs as currency, they trade our jobs to other countries for favors and kickbacks, or to benefit a donor or special interest group. This corruption has laid waste to entire industries in the USA.

I wish Trump luck but people lets remember, he's fighting the DC establishment a corrupt cesspool.

I am still wondering how we trade jobs to other countries. Obviously you don't know either, but it looks good on paper

That's because you are uninformed. How do you think the US gets China to vote the way we want them to vote in the UN security council...BINGO! This is not a partisan issue, BOTH parties are engaged in trading US jobs like poker chips.

 

[brummelben]

Trump is one man, lets remember we still have the idiots in congress to deal with. Congress has allowed other countries to steal our jobs for decades.

Look, congress uses our jobs as currency, they trade our jobs to other countries for favors and kickbacks, or to benefit a donor or special interest group. This corruption has laid waste to entire industries in the USA.

I wish Trump luck but people lets remember, he's fighting the DC establishment a corrupt cesspool.

I am still wondering how we trade jobs to other countries. Obviously you don't know either, but it looks good on paper

That's because you are uninformed. How do you think the US gets China to vote the way we want them to vote in the UN security council...BINGO! This is not a partisan issue, BOTH parties are engaged in trading US jobs like poker chips.

I still don't know how to trade a job. Would you please tell us how it is done?

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump is one man, lets remember we still have the idiots in congress to deal with. Congress has allowed other countries to steal our jobs for decades.

Look, congress uses our jobs as currency, they trade our jobs to other countries for favors and kickbacks, or to benefit a donor or special interest group. This corruption has laid waste to entire industries in the USA.

I wish Trump luck but people lets remember, he's fighting the DC establishment a corrupt cesspool.

How does another country "steal" our jobs? No, we seek out cheap labor and those places where we can pollute to hearts content

if you want to reduce pollution look no further than Dem run cities. Seattle recently spilled over 200 million gallons of putrid untreated human sewage into Puget Sound, they had to close the beaches it was that nasty.

What exactly does a democratic run city have to do with this tragedy, Homer. If everything political to you

You were trying to fake concern over pollution by corporations. I pointed out real pollution, pollution on a huge scale occurring right now. I'm not surprised you don't care, I sensed your concern was fake from the get go.