Religion in Political Movements

[PaintMyHouse]

No matter the particular movement, there were two key conditions in all: 1) it was based on a submission to a central authority, the total state, and 2) it was based on the idea of one, the collective, instead of many.



2. Each of the movements, communist, fascist, Nazi, adopted the same set of rites and symbols to express that ideal: crowds chanting en masse, the monumental architecture, the insistence on unquestioning belief in preposterous doctrines.

a. Each of the movements chose its own monochrome symbol, representing the oneness of authority, in red, brown or black.

b. Each donned the identical uniform, - a shirt of red, brown or black.

c. Each recounted a theory about history and mankind, explaining the movement’s goals and actions.




And each attempted to align it's origin back to the mankind's experiences at a time earlier than the French Revolution.....a time written about in the Bible.

Well, here's the uniform:

here's the monochrome symbol:

But you don't live in the Vatican, do you.

Nor in a theocracy.

So....your post was just as momentous as any of your other posts.

Dismissed.

You're the one comparing the Nazis to organized religions.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Is Heaven a democracy, or a Kingdom?

A myth actually, but said myth shows it to be a Kingdom with three gods according to the Christians. I would have thought one would have been enough.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those who suggest "Existentialism is centered on the idea that events occur without causation, without the motivation of earlier events ,clearly donot understand the term and has not done the necessary research. Events do have prior causation, of course, but may be unknown.

PC's problem is that she wants to assign prima facie causation to God, but keeps getting called out for proof other than her word or the Bible.

: a chiefly 20th century philosophical movement embracing diverse doctrines but centering on analysis of individualexistence in an unfathomable universe and the plight of the individual who must assume ultimate responsibility for acts of free will without any certain knowledge of what is right or wrong or good or bad Existentialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[PaintMyHouse]

PC's problem is that she wants to assign prima facie causation to God, but keeps getting called out for proof other than her word or the Bible.

Well that can be a problem because if the very first premise is false or unsubstantiated, what follows is DOA.

As they like to say, with God all things are possible, as in totally irrational arguments, traditions, and religions for instance. With faith man can - - - ignore reality, a big part of its appeal. That and easy answers to questions without such things.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And the fact that existentialism does not invoke non-causation as part of the argument, as PC says, is utterly a clueless proposition.

 

[NYcarbineer]

For anyone who wants to earn a shiny new quarter,

explain in your own words what the point of the OP is.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Those who suggest "Existentialism is centered on the idea that events occur without causation, without the motivation of earlier events ,clearly donot understand the term and has not done the necessary research. Events do have prior causation, of course, but may be unknown.

PC's problem is that she wants to assign prima facie causation to God, but keeps getting called out for proof other than her word or the Bible.

: a chiefly 20th century philosophical movement embracing diverse doctrines but centering on analysis of individualexistence in an unfathomable universe and the plight of the individual who must assume ultimate responsibility for acts of free will without any certain knowledge of what is right or wrong or good or bad Existentialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

You try so very hard to be relevant, which, in your lexicon means contending with whatever I post.

The problem is, you are simply a dunce, and you don't even realize that making me as your standard of excellence....even though you don't understand that that is what you are doing.....is both correct, and a compliment to me.



As you so longingly plead for instruction, for education from your master.....pay attention, for her it comes:

1. " André Gide's The Vatican Cellars appalled critics with its supposedly amoral and nihilistic Romanian orphan hero, Lafcadio Wluiki, who, in the novel's most famous scene, throws a fellow passenger out of a train without motive. Superbly satisfying, mischief-making and funny, Gide's wonderfully controlled account of a young man who will commit any act to rid himself of the cliches of convention and family and his own past laid one of the first paths for other alienated heroes to follow."
1000 novels everyone must read Family Self Julian Evans on the best existentialist fiction Books The Guardian

2. "In the 1920s, Gide became an inspiration for writers such as Albert Camus..."
Andr Gide - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



Clearly, I was correct....and you, a dunce.



And so, as you have been put in your place once again, ...even so... I earnestly suggest that you continue to strive to be me, to know as much as I know, to understand all I know.

Of course...it isn't possible, but, in the words of Robert Browning...
“Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?”


Adieu, little cloaca......keep trying.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Simply because it is easier, many pick an event, a time, a movement, as an origin, a place to begin their understanding of same.
After all, there is so very much to know, that for those who don't have the love for research, or have same but lack the time to pursue it, they take shortcuts, and as a result, draw conclusions based on limited knowledge.


One can make the effort to understand the deluge.....or simply be swept along with it.


Using said 'shortcuts,' some are tempted to see totalitarian ideologies- communism, fascism, Nazism- as being unrelated to Islamic fundamentalism, and, well....that would be a mistake.


.

Is this person now saying that Islamic fundamentalism is a political movement, and not a religious movement?

(hint: that is a question question, not a rhetorical question)

 

[PoliticalChic]

And the fact that existentialism does not invoke non-causation as part of the argument, as PC says, is utterly a clueless proposition.

I really stuck that in your eye in post #26, didn't I.

But, that's what happens why you attempt to approach you betters.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Simply because it is easier, many pick an event, a time, a movement, as an origin, a place to begin their understanding of same.
After all, there is so very much to know, that for those who don't have the love for research, or have same but lack the time to pursue it, they take shortcuts, and as a result, draw conclusions based on limited knowledge.


One can make the effort to understand the deluge.....or simply be swept along with it.


Using said 'shortcuts,' some are tempted to see totalitarian ideologies- communism, fascism, Nazism- as being unrelated to Islamic fundamentalism, and, well....that would be a mistake.


.

Is this person now saying that Islamic fundamentalism a political movement, and not a religious movement?

(hint: that is a question question, not a rhetorical question)

Actually, what your posts are saying is that this topic....as is true of so very many.....is well beyond your limited ability.


I can't resist rubbing it in....

7. Although it followed the European versions by decades, it remained true to the form, true to the pattern…Instead of wanting with Mussolini, to resurrect the Roman Empire of ancient Italy; or, with Hitler, the Roman Empire of Nazi mythology; or with Franco to resurrect the medieval Spanish crusade for Christ the King- their particular yearning was for the Caliphate from the days of Muhammad. That was the Baathi “Renaissance.” This was fully in line with the twentieth century tradition.


a. From Sami al-Jundi, an early Baath (Renaissance) leader:
“We were racists, admiring Nazism, reading its books and the source of its thought, particularly Nietzsche…”
Arabs and Nazis - Can it Be True

Recognize the name 'Nietzsche'?
Do you being to see the connection, dolt?



b. This did not exclude other totalist influences.
“Saddam expressed his admiration for Stalin on numerous occasions and describes him as not being a communist but a nationalist..”
http://thebrowser.com/recommended/saddam-secret-life-by-con-coughlin
This mix can be found in National Socialism and Mussolini’s Fascism, as well.


That's right: communism, fascism, Nazism, Baathism, ......siblings under the skin.




8. Muslim’s other grand radical movement, Islamists, might seem, at first, to be an exception, free of the European virus… as the Egyptian and Pakistani versions began as organs of peaceful political reform, i.e., the strictly religious Muslim Brotherhood, …but scratch the surface, and there is the sympathy for Nazism. The Young Egypt Society, the ‘Greenshirts,’ were openly Nazi, and Hassan al-Banna was not far behind.
http://74.39.184.126/vb/showthread.php?t=130932

The Brotherhood even had it’s units designated ‘kata’ib’ or phalanges, a la Franco.



I should be paid for the education I provide to you morons.

 

[sameech]

I should be paid for the education I provide to you morons.

Since you posted the same thing in 2011 on this site, we should get a discount for used ideas.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I should be paid for the education I provide to you morons.

Since you posted the same thing in 2011 on this site, we should get a discount for used ideas.

1. You've been here only since 2014.

2. Several posters have denied the relationships between these totalitarian doctrines, and remediation was required.

3. You appear an ungrateful wretch. Bet you hear that a lot, huh?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Simply because it is easier, many pick an event, a time, a movement, as an origin, a place to begin their understanding of same.
After all, there is so very much to know, that for those who don't have the love for research, or have same but lack the time to pursue it, they take shortcuts, and as a result, draw conclusions based on limited knowledge.


One can make the effort to understand the deluge.....or simply be swept along with it.


Using said 'shortcuts,' some are tempted to see totalitarian ideologies- communism, fascism, Nazism- as being unrelated to Islamic fundamentalism, and, well....that would be a mistake.


.

Is this person now saying that Islamic fundamentalism a political movement, and not a religious movement?

(hint: that is a question question, not a rhetorical question)

Actually, what your posts are saying is that this topic....as is true of so very many.....is well beyond your limited ability.


I can't resist rubbing it in....

7. Although it followed the European versions by decades, it remained true to the form, true to the pattern…Instead of wanting with Mussolini, to resurrect the Roman Empire of ancient Italy; or, with Hitler, the Roman Empire of Nazi mythology; or with Franco to resurrect the medieval Spanish crusade for Christ the King- their particular yearning was for the Caliphate from the days of Muhammad. That was the Baathi “Renaissance.” This was fully in line with the twentieth century tradition.


a. From Sami al-Jundi, an early Baath (Renaissance) leader:
“We were racists, admiring Nazism, reading its books and the source of its thought, particularly Nietzsche…”
Arabs and Nazis - Can it Be True

Recognize the name 'Nietzsche'?
Do you being to see the connection, dolt?



b. This did not exclude other totalist influences.
“Saddam expressed his admiration for Stalin on numerous occasions and describes him as not being a communist but a nationalist..”
http://thebrowser.com/recommended/saddam-secret-life-by-con-coughlin
This mix can be found in National Socialism and Mussolini’s Fascism, as well.


That's right: communism, fascism, Nazism, Baathism, ......siblings under the skin.




8. Muslim’s other grand radical movement, Islamists, might seem, at first, to be an exception, free of the European virus… as the Egyptian and Pakistani versions began as organs of peaceful political reform, i.e., the strictly religious Muslim Brotherhood, …but scratch the surface, and there is the sympathy for Nazism. The Young Egypt Society, the ‘Greenshirts,’ were openly Nazi, and Hassan al-Banna was not far behind.
http://74.39.184.126/vb/showthread.php?t=130932

The Brotherhood even had it’s units designated ‘kata’ib’ or phalanges, a la Franco.



I should be paid for the education I provide to you morons.

OMG lol.

Answering only yes or no,

Is Islamic fundamentalism a political movement, and not a religious movement?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Simply because it is easier, many pick an event, a time, a movement, as an origin, a place to begin their understanding of same.
After all, there is so very much to know, that for those who don't have the love for research, or have same but lack the time to pursue it, they take shortcuts, and as a result, draw conclusions based on limited knowledge.


One can make the effort to understand the deluge.....or simply be swept along with it.


Using said 'shortcuts,' some are tempted to see totalitarian ideologies- communism, fascism, Nazism- as being unrelated to Islamic fundamentalism, and, well....that would be a mistake.


.

Is this person now saying that Islamic fundamentalism a political movement, and not a religious movement?

(hint: that is a question question, not a rhetorical question)

Actually, what your posts are saying is that this topic....as is true of so very many.....is well beyond your limited ability.


I can't resist rubbing it in....

7. Although it followed the European versions by decades, it remained true to the form, true to the pattern…Instead of wanting with Mussolini, to resurrect the Roman Empire of ancient Italy; or, with Hitler, the Roman Empire of Nazi mythology; or with Franco to resurrect the medieval Spanish crusade for Christ the King- their particular yearning was for the Caliphate from the days of Muhammad. That was the Baathi “Renaissance.” This was fully in line with the twentieth century tradition.


a. From Sami al-Jundi, an early Baath (Renaissance) leader:
“We were racists, admiring Nazism, reading its books and the source of its thought, particularly Nietzsche…”
Arabs and Nazis - Can it Be True

Recognize the name 'Nietzsche'?
Do you being to see the connection, dolt?



b. This did not exclude other totalist influences.
“Saddam expressed his admiration for Stalin on numerous occasions and describes him as not being a communist but a nationalist..”
http://thebrowser.com/recommended/saddam-secret-life-by-con-coughlin
This mix can be found in National Socialism and Mussolini’s Fascism, as well.


That's right: communism, fascism, Nazism, Baathism, ......siblings under the skin.




8. Muslim’s other grand radical movement, Islamists, might seem, at first, to be an exception, free of the European virus… as the Egyptian and Pakistani versions began as organs of peaceful political reform, i.e., the strictly religious Muslim Brotherhood, …but scratch the surface, and there is the sympathy for Nazism. The Young Egypt Society, the ‘Greenshirts,’ were openly Nazi, and Hassan al-Banna was not far behind.
http://74.39.184.126/vb/showthread.php?t=130932

The Brotherhood even had it’s units designated ‘kata’ib’ or phalanges, a la Franco.



I should be paid for the education I provide to you morons.

OMG lol.

Answering only yes or no,

Is Islamic fundamentalism a political movement, and not a religious movement?

Only a fool would be unable to understand the confluence.....

...which explains your post.

Let's compound your confusion.....

9. Now that the connection between the Islamofascist movements with the European versions....communism, fascism, Nazism,....it behooves mention of Qutb.


Sayyid Qutb was the single most influential Islamist writer. His masterwork, “In the Shade of the Qur’an,” was a series of commentaries on the various suras,verses in the Q'ran: Most of the original 30 volumes (114 Surahs) were written (or re-written) while in prison following an attempted assassination of Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser in 1954.
Fi Zilal al-Quran - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



a. The notion of Islam as totality was Qutb’s most important concept, distinguishing Islam from all other worldviews- ‘Tawhid,’ the oneness of God.

Of course, Marxists had the same belief: George Lukacs defined that characteristic of Marxism that distinguished it from bourgeois thinking: ‘the primacy of the category of totality.’
Hence...."totalitarian," a term which can be used for communism and equally with Qutb's view of Islam.



10. Most interesting is how Qutb's ideas, very Muslim, still fit the pattern of the 20th century European totalitarian movements! Each of those movements also had a grand vision of the future and utopian destinies.
Each followed their version of the ur-myth, the myth of coming Armageddon.

So did Qutb's.

 

[bendog]

I love these threads.

However, I don' think it's correct to say existentialism posits events happen "without causation, without the motivation of earlier events...." Quite the opposite. Dostoyevsky posed perhaps the core question: how can God allow horrible things to happen to children? I don't think he really answered the question beyond saying we all chose to act to ameliorate or further those horrible things, and totally ameliorating them is beyond human power.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So....Islamic terrorism and communism, Nazism, and all the ''isms'?
Yup.

11. Truth, according to Qutb, can only be obtained through active struggle. Again, this mirrors the Karl Korsch school of German Marxism, who argued that Marx’s dialectic can only be understood at certain moments in history, those of intense class struggle, during which the truth, i.e., the proletarian revolution becomes clear.

Sidney Hook added dose of John Dewey’s Pragmatism, that would be the Progressives of America, that only via the experiment of revolutionary action, militant effort, is truth revealed.


Recall the dope who, a few posts back, scoffed at Islamic fundamentalism being compared to European totalitarian doctrine???

Here it is:
Qutb, two or three decades later, suggested that Koranic truth requires more than religious commitment, it requires revolutionary action on Islam’s behalf. Read between the lines, and you find the link between truth and martyrdom.


a. The suggestion of martyrdom can be found in one of his screeds against the Jews. “The Koran points to another contemptible characteristic of the Jews: their craven desire to live, no matter at what price and regardless of quality, honour, and dignity.”
Imam Zaid Shakir 8217 s Powerful Rebuttal Against Muslim Extremists Allahcentric

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

I cannot for the life of me, follow this thread.

????

It reads like stereo instructions; must be, because I'm a stupid Cabbie?

It's more of a vehicle for PC to sound smart, more than anything ... me thinks.

 

[007]

Simply because it is easier, many pick an event, a time, a movement, as an origin, a place to begin their understanding of same.
After all, there is so very much to know, that for those who don't have the love for research, or have same but lack the time to pursue it, they take shortcuts, and as a result, draw conclusions based on limited knowledge.


One can make the effort to understand the deluge.....or simply be swept along with it.


Using said 'shortcuts,' some are tempted to see totalitarian ideologies- communism, fascism, Nazism- as being unrelated to Islamic fundamentalism, and, well....that would be a mistake.


1. Existentialism is centered on the idea that events occur without causation, without the motivation of earlier events....
But even Albert Camus, regularly seen as spokesman for existentialism, sought causes for current events.

Camus, in ‘The Rebel,’ attempted to find the traits in modern civilization that lead to totalitarianism, and its resultant horrors. Camus’s conclusion: totalitarianism and terrorism are one in the same, and, so, if we discover the roots of totalitarianism, we discover the roots of terrorism!

a. The Western urge to rebel, coming out of the French Revolution, mutated quickly into several cults of death and mayhem. No matter the particular movement, there were two key conditions in all: 1) it was based on a submission to a central authority, the total state, and 2) it was based on the idea of one, the collective, instead of many.



2. Each of the movements, communist, fascist, Nazi, adopted the same set of rites and symbols to express that ideal: crowds chanting en masse, the monumental architecture, the insistence on unquestioning belief in preposterous doctrines.

a. Each of the movements chose its own monochrome symbol, representing the oneness of authority, in red, brown or black.

b. Each donned the identical uniform, - a shirt of red, brown or black.

c. Each recounted a theory about history and mankind, explaining the movement’s goals and actions.




And each attempted to align it's origin back to the mankind's experiences at a time earlier than the French Revolution.....a time written about in the Bible.

More time you spend attacking a supposed threat, the more difficult it is to claim they're the threat instead of you.

OH YEAH... SHE'S A THREAT ALRIGHT... I'M SURE GLAD YOU DIDN'T MISS THAT ONE... I MEAN ANYBODY CAN SEE PC IS JUST A KILLING MACHINE... SHE MAKES THOSE DECAPITATING MUSLIMS LOOK LIKE SCHOOL BOYS... OH YA... YOU NAILED THAT ONE...

... holy mother of God these progtards seem to be getting DUMBER by the day.

Did the midterm ass kicking really effect them that bad that they're losing touch with reality?

 

[007]

I cannot for the life of me, follow this thread.

????

It's more of a vehicle for PC to sound smart, more than anything ... me thinks.

She intimidates you that bad, aye?

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

I cannot for the life of me, follow this thread.

????

It's more of a vehicle for PC to sound smart, more than anything ... me thinks.

She intimidates you that bad, aye?

No, not really.

But if it bobbles your weeble....