Religion and the greatest story ever told..

Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by Helios, Jan 30, 2008.

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Who was Jesus Christ?

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  1. A lunatic/madman

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  2. A healer/teacher, but not divine

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  3. Son of God, performed real miracles etc

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  4. He didn't exist

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  1. Helios
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    "The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun."
    —Thomas Paine (Anglo-American revolutionary and writer, 1737-1809)


    The following describes only my personal opinion, based on the information I have seen, as well as essays by professors of mine.

    The very idea of Religion is hilarious to me, and George Carlin concurs:

    These are astronomical facts, not theories.

    Whether you care to believe it or not, all modern religion originated from Pagan sun-worship.

    Christianity, as well as probably most other major world religions, is based on astronomy, not on reality. This can be concluded by anyone given the relevant facts. Most notably, on Dec. 25th, the three brightest stars in Orion's belt called the "Three Kings" by ancient tradition line up and point to Sirius (the star in the East), which in turn forms a direct line to the rising sun that day. The sun occupies it's lowest point of the year on Dec. 23rd, and 24th (figuratively the "Death of the Sun") and begins to "rise again" on Dec. 25th. Hence, the death and resurrection of the "Son of God." There are countless other astronomical similarities, which I wont point out in the interest of time.

    To further religion's obvious base in astronomy, the myth of the Egyptian sun-god Horus was conceived thousands of years before Jesus was ever said to be born. Wouldn't you say the details of his life bear a striking resemblance to Jesus' life? Before they are mentioned, I can handily discredit the 4 historians who have ever made a claim to Jesus' existence, so don't even bring them up.

    • Horus was born of a virgin, Jesus was born of a virgin
    • Horus' mother: Meri, Jesus' mother: Mary
    • Horus' father: Seb, Jesus' father: Joseph
    • Horus is of royal ancestry, Jesus is of royal ancestry
    • Horus born in a shed, Jesus born in a stable
    • Horus' birth heralded by the Sirius, Jesus' birth heralded by Sirius
    • Horus' birth announced by angel, Jesus' birth announced by an angel
    • Horus' birth witnessed by shepherds, Jesus' birth witnessed by shepherds
    • During infancy, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. During infancy Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
    • Horus' life has a gap from age 12-30, Jesus' life has a gap from age 12-30
    • Horus baptized at age 30, Jesus was baptized at age 30
    • Horus had 12 followers, Jesus had 12 disciples
    • Horus raised Osirus from the grave, Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave
    • Horus gave a famous "sermon at the mount", Jesus gave the same sermon.
    • Horus died of crucifixion, Jesus died of crucifixion
    • Horus died beside 2 thieves, Jesus died beside 2 thieves
    • Horus was dead 3 days, resurrected, Jesus was dead 3 days, resurrected.

    The list goes on... but in the interest of practicality, I will cut myself short. Basically, Jesus is but a plagiarized version of Horus, as are hundreds of other mythological figures.


    Christianity acquired it's current berth of rhetoric at the Council of Nicea, in which Constantine and 301 bishops from throughout the land came together in the wonderful pursuit of coming up with a pertinent way of controlling the masses.

    On The Council of Nicea:
    I believe that anyone who takes what they have been indoctrinated to believe utterly serious, is doomed to live out their life in ignorance and arrogance. The only true perspective is the perspective that is always changing. Keep that in mind while you flame this post.

    I'll let the people at ZeitGeist conclude:
     
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    You have basically summed up how I feel about religion too.

    I reckon in about 1000 years there will be no religion as such...
     
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    Those aren't all exactly true, though, Helios. Horus was born of Isis and fathered by Osiris. There is some disagreement as to whether Isis was impregnated by Osiris when he was actually dead, or whether he was brought back to life long enough to impregnate her. But it wasn't a virgin birth.

    Isis did, though, also have the name Meri.

    The number of followers of Horus varies. Some sources say 16, other do not give a number. The writing I've seen on it says there is no source that puts the number at 12.

    The rest of it, near as I can tell, appears to be true. The Bible also contains a lot of Sumerian mythology.
     
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    One little thing dopey...

    The life of Jesus is documented fact....It was recorded by the jews... the best record keepers in the history of the mankind...
     
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    im not sure that everything that is written is always true, dude...


    If so, I'd better stop reading the Zombie Survival Guide..


    George washington never actually chopped down the cherry tree, you know?
     
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    Well, there was a person recorded. He was an Essene. His name was Yeshua, not Jesus (which a name the Romans gave). Don't think we ever said he was the messiah. We're still waiting on that. :cool:
     
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    Show me these records.
     
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    There are references in the Dead Sea Scrolls of the nature I described. Doesn't go to what the NT says he is/was, though.
     
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    3 actual roman historians documented the life of Jesus, and they always referred to him as "Christus," "Christos," or "Christ" which means "Annointed One" and does not in any way prove Jesus' divine birth or anything else for that matter. They could have been talking about anyone... and what are the chances that someone actually relived Horus' life... exactly as it had been set in hieroglyphics 1000's of years before Jesus was born....?
     
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    The life of Christ has been researched and scrutinized more than any person that ever walked the planet since the day he died.... It is well documented and the records were kept by the Jews and Romans...

    Idiots like helios think there is some doubt about his life and acts out of pure ignorance...

    I put him on ignore... I have no time for uneducated clowns like him...
     

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