Where did you read that?
Not much info on this case has been released to the public.
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Regarding the charges filed against the arresting officers of Freddy Gray
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Where did you read that?
Not much info on this case has been released to the public.
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
LOL, thanks for the laugh!LOL, it's not "gotcha questions", it's just QUESTIONS.You do know that manslaughter and other charges were included, right?
Yeah? And? The most serious and major of the charges is 2nd degree murder. I've been watching the coverage all week. You can take your "gotcha" questions elsewhere. If you're gonna charge someone with 2nd degree murder, you're gonna have to prove it.
If you read the beginning line of my post you will clearly see I said "charges" not "charge." That clearly shows I was aware of the other indictments.
Perhaps it will do you some good to read each and every word of a post before you launch your criticisms or your "questions." Okay?
Esmeralda
Diamond Member
Prison time doesn't seem to 'break the thug' out of anyone. In fact, it just makes it worse.Freddie didn't break his own neck someone broke it for him. I'm a far right wing conservative and pro cop but these cops were wrong from the get go. You don't arrest someone for a pocket knife but once you do, that person is in your care and must get to the station in one piece. I think one or more of these cops are guilty of murder. Probably the driver of the wagon. That being said...Cops are human and they get tired of arresting the same people over and over again. Maybe if Freddie were in jail where he should have been giving his record he would still be alive today. Stop letting felons out of jail early and give them enough hard time behind bars to break the thug out of them or a thug will just be back on the streets endangering himself and others.
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Do I think that these cops are guilty? Yeah. Do I think they're guilty of murder? Fuck no, it's negligence, it's not like they took out their pistols and shot him in the van.
NYcarbineer
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I read he was arrested for having a switchblade, but that it was, in fact, not a switchblade, only a pocket knife.I can see them get convicted of manslaughter or negligence but the whole story isn't out yet. There are lots of "facts" and allegations right now, I think that it's going to take a while for the whole story to come out. I can see the possibility of federal civil rights charges coming out as well. I saw a crawl on Foxnews today stating that the state prosecutor stated that the police had no probable cause to apprehend/arrest Gray. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.The Prosecutor is on record saying that she heard the cries of the community and is now seeking justice for Freddie; playing to the batshit-crazy crowd.
Although I have nothing substantive to base this upon, my Spidey Sense tells me that most of this going to get tossed out of court during the early going.
Where did you read that?
Not much info on this case has been released to the public.
lol, it's only been on just about every newscast for the last 2 days.
See the far left drones as they deflect things!
It is finny how the far left mayor and the far left have charged these officers with crimes and have not released the evidence as to why..
It I s apolitical ploy!
If this city had anything other a far left mayor, even charging them with criminal charges would still not be enough. They would want all the evidence released to the public as well..
Quit picking on me, you, you far right drone!
Says the far left drone!
Who bragged about ratings as they were one of the lucky ones not loose theirs or a portion of theirs in the great USMB transition.
Only a far left drone would use such tactic, thus still proving you are far left drone..
Kosh, everyone lost their reps and everyone knows that. You just exposed yourself as a liar. Why do go! Man, you embarrass yourself a lot and you do it consistently. But what does one expect from a repetitive poster who adds nothing to this board except three words over and over and over again, "far left drone" !
No they did not, but you play it how ever it makes you feel good.
Yes they did, Why not PM a mod? Being you are clueless to what every other poster knows. Reps, all reps are history, a mod will confirm that little bit of information.
I'll wait for your admission, that you are dead wrong.
Once again the far left will much rather watch the world burn than admit they were wrong!
They seem to want to push that all started at zero, which is false. Once again the far left drones will lie to cover the fact they are wrong!
I read he was arrested for having a switchblade, but that it was, in fact, not a switchblade, only a pocket knife.I can see them get convicted of manslaughter or negligence but the whole story isn't out yet. There are lots of "facts" and allegations right now, I think that it's going to take a while for the whole story to come out. I can see the possibility of federal civil rights charges coming out as well. I saw a crawl on Foxnews today stating that the state prosecutor stated that the police had no probable cause to apprehend/arrest Gray. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.The Prosecutor is on record saying that she heard the cries of the community and is now seeking justice for Freddie; playing to the batshit-crazy crowd.
Although I have nothing substantive to base this upon, my Spidey Sense tells me that most of this going to get tossed out of court during the early going.
Where did you read that?
Not much info on this case has been released to the public.
lol, it's only been on just about every newscast for the last 2 days.
You mean far left sites? and not real "news"?
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Freddy Gray has been properly avenged, and the police officers will face their day in court.
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I read he was arrested for having a switchblade, but that it was, in fact, not a switchblade, only a pocket knife.
Where did you read that?
Not much info on this case has been released to the public.
Umm... yes, it was.
Prosecutor says no reason to arrest Freddie Gray - Business Insider
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Stay on topic and stop insulting each other.
I read he was arrested for having a switchblade, but that it was, in fact, not a switchblade, only a pocket knife.
Where did you read that?
Not much info on this case has been released to the public.
Umm... yes, it was.
Prosecutor says no reason to arrest Freddie Gray - Business Insider
Again where was the information released in print? Where is the report on this?
And as always I am correct because not much information has been released on this case.
We have the word of a person and not a report for all to read..
- Thread starter
- #92
LOL, thanks for the laugh!LOL, it's not "gotcha questions", it's just QUESTIONS.You do know that manslaughter and other charges were included, right?
Yeah? And? The most serious and major of the charges is 2nd degree murder. I've been watching the coverage all week. You can take your "gotcha" questions elsewhere. If you're gonna charge someone with 2nd degree murder, you're gonna have to prove it.
If you read the beginning line of my post you will clearly see I said "charges" not "charge." That clearly shows I was aware of the other indictments.
Perhaps it will do you some good to read each and every word of a post before you launch your criticisms or your "questions." Okay?
There's nothing funny about being a troll.
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This might change things. Don't knock the source until you read it. Sean Hannity isn't the greatest platform, but that is a real Baltimore cop being interviewed.
FOX NEWS BOMBSHELL Freddie Gray tested positive for HEROIN and POT cops saw him DEALING DRUGS The Right Scoop -
FOX NEWS BOMBSHELL Freddie Gray tested positive for HEROIN and POT cops saw him DEALING DRUGS The Right Scoop -
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This is from the Charging Documents:
<snip>
"Mr. Gray was then placed in a prone position with his arms handcuffed behind his back. It was at this time that Mr. Gray indicated that he could not breathe and requested an inhaler to no avail.
Officers Miller and Nero then placed Mr. Gray in a seated position and subsequently found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. The blade of the knife was folded into the handle. The knife was not a switchblade knife and is lawful under Maryland law. These officers subsequently removed the knife and placed it on the sidewalk.
Mr. Gray was then placed back down on his stomach, at which time Mr. Gray began to flail his legs and scream as Officer Miller placed Mr. Gray in a restraining technique known as a "leg lace" while Officer Nero physically held him down against his will until a BPD wagon arrived to transport Mr. Gray. Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero failed to establish probable cause for Mr. Gray's arrest as no crime had been committed by Mr. Gray.
Accordingly, Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero illegally arrested Mr. Gray. Upon arrival of the transport wagon, driven by Officer Ceasar Goodson, Lt. Rice, Officer Nero, and Officer Miller loaded Mr. Gray into the wagon and at no point was he secured by a seat belt while in the wagon, contrary to a BPD General Order.
Lt. Rice then directed the BPD wagon to stop at Baker Street. At Baker Street, Lt. Rice, Officer Nero and Officer Miller removed Mr. Gray from the wagon, placed flex cuffs on his wrists, placed leg shackles on his ankles, and completed required paperwork.
Officer Miller, Officer Nero and Lt. Rice then loaded Mr. Gray back into the wagon, placing him on his stomach, head first onto the floor of the wagon. Once again, Mr. Gray was not secured by a seat belt in the wagon, contrary to a BPD General Order. Lt. Rice then directed Officer Goodson to transport Mr. Gray to the Central Booking and Intake Facility.
Following transport from Baker Street, Mr. Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet, and unrestrained inside of the BPD wagon.
From Baker Street, Officer Goodson proceeded to the vicinity of Mosher Street and Fremont Avenue, where he subsequently parked the wagon and proceeded to the back of the wagon in order to observe Mr. Gray.
Despite stopping for the purpose of checking on Mr. Gray's condition, at no point did he seek, nor did he render, any medical assistance for Mr. Gray.
Officer Goodson returned to his driver's seat and proceeded toward the Central Booking and Intake Facility, with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seat belt, contrary to a BPD General Order.
Several blocks later, Officer Goodson called into dispatch that he needed to check on the status of his prisoner and requested additional units at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue. Officer William Porter arrived on the scene near Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue.
Both Officer Goodson and Officer Porter proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status of Mr. Gray's condition. Mr. Gray requested "help" and indicated that he could not breathe. Officer Porter asked Mr. Gray if he needed a medic, at which time Mr. Gray indicated at least twice that he was in need of a medic.
Officer Porter then physically assisted Mr. Gray from the floor of the van to the bench. However, despite Mr. Gray's appeal for a medic, both officers assessed Mr. Gray's condition and at no point did either of them restrain Mr. Gray, per BPD General Order, nor did they render or request medical assistance.
While discussing the transportation of Mr. Gray for medical attention, a request for additional units was made for an arrest at 1600 W. North Avenue. Officer Porter left the vicinity of Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue to assist in the arrest of another prisoner at North Avenue.
Despite Mr. Gray's obvious and recognized need for medical assistance, Officer Goodson, in a grossly negligent manner, chose to respond to the 1600 block of W. North Avenue, with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seat belt in the wagon, without rendering to or summonsing medical assistance for Mr. Gray.
Officer Goodson arrived at North Avenue to transport the individual arrested at the location of North and Pennsylvania avenues, at which time, he was again met by Officers Nero, Miller, Porter and Lt. Rice. Once the wagon arrived, Officer Goodson walked to the back of the wagon and again opened the doors to the wagon to make observations of Mr. Gray. Sgt. Alicia White, Officer Porter, and Officer Goodson observed Mr. Gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon.
Sgt. White, who was responsible for investigating two citizen complaints pertaining to Mr. Gray's illegal arrest, spoke to the back of Mr. Gray's head. When he did not respond, she did nothing further despite the fact that she was advised that he needed a medic.
She made no effort to look, assess or determine his condition. Despite Mr. Gray's seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered to or summonsed for Mr. Gray at that time by any officer.
After completing the North Avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the opposite side of the wagon containing Mr. Gray, Officer Goodson then proceeded to the Western District Police Station, where contrary to the BPD General Order, he again failed to restrain Mr. Gray in the wagon for at least the fifth time. At the Western District Police Station, the defendant arrested at North Avenue was unloaded, escorted, and secured inside of the police station prior to attending to Mr. Gray.
By the time Officer Zachary Novak, Sgt. White and an unknown officer attempted to remove Mr. Gray from the wagon, Mr. Gray was no longer breathing at all.
A medic was finally called to the scene, where upon arrival, the medic determined that Mr. Gray was now in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured."
(This is from public, Government Documents, so not subject to copyright rules)
More: Statement of Charges in Freddie Gray case Maryland News - WBAL Home
<snip>
"Mr. Gray was then placed in a prone position with his arms handcuffed behind his back. It was at this time that Mr. Gray indicated that he could not breathe and requested an inhaler to no avail.
Officers Miller and Nero then placed Mr. Gray in a seated position and subsequently found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. The blade of the knife was folded into the handle. The knife was not a switchblade knife and is lawful under Maryland law. These officers subsequently removed the knife and placed it on the sidewalk.
Mr. Gray was then placed back down on his stomach, at which time Mr. Gray began to flail his legs and scream as Officer Miller placed Mr. Gray in a restraining technique known as a "leg lace" while Officer Nero physically held him down against his will until a BPD wagon arrived to transport Mr. Gray. Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero failed to establish probable cause for Mr. Gray's arrest as no crime had been committed by Mr. Gray.
Accordingly, Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero illegally arrested Mr. Gray. Upon arrival of the transport wagon, driven by Officer Ceasar Goodson, Lt. Rice, Officer Nero, and Officer Miller loaded Mr. Gray into the wagon and at no point was he secured by a seat belt while in the wagon, contrary to a BPD General Order.
Lt. Rice then directed the BPD wagon to stop at Baker Street. At Baker Street, Lt. Rice, Officer Nero and Officer Miller removed Mr. Gray from the wagon, placed flex cuffs on his wrists, placed leg shackles on his ankles, and completed required paperwork.
Officer Miller, Officer Nero and Lt. Rice then loaded Mr. Gray back into the wagon, placing him on his stomach, head first onto the floor of the wagon. Once again, Mr. Gray was not secured by a seat belt in the wagon, contrary to a BPD General Order. Lt. Rice then directed Officer Goodson to transport Mr. Gray to the Central Booking and Intake Facility.
Following transport from Baker Street, Mr. Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet, and unrestrained inside of the BPD wagon.
From Baker Street, Officer Goodson proceeded to the vicinity of Mosher Street and Fremont Avenue, where he subsequently parked the wagon and proceeded to the back of the wagon in order to observe Mr. Gray.
Despite stopping for the purpose of checking on Mr. Gray's condition, at no point did he seek, nor did he render, any medical assistance for Mr. Gray.
Officer Goodson returned to his driver's seat and proceeded toward the Central Booking and Intake Facility, with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seat belt, contrary to a BPD General Order.
Several blocks later, Officer Goodson called into dispatch that he needed to check on the status of his prisoner and requested additional units at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue. Officer William Porter arrived on the scene near Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue.
Both Officer Goodson and Officer Porter proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status of Mr. Gray's condition. Mr. Gray requested "help" and indicated that he could not breathe. Officer Porter asked Mr. Gray if he needed a medic, at which time Mr. Gray indicated at least twice that he was in need of a medic.
Officer Porter then physically assisted Mr. Gray from the floor of the van to the bench. However, despite Mr. Gray's appeal for a medic, both officers assessed Mr. Gray's condition and at no point did either of them restrain Mr. Gray, per BPD General Order, nor did they render or request medical assistance.
While discussing the transportation of Mr. Gray for medical attention, a request for additional units was made for an arrest at 1600 W. North Avenue. Officer Porter left the vicinity of Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue to assist in the arrest of another prisoner at North Avenue.
Despite Mr. Gray's obvious and recognized need for medical assistance, Officer Goodson, in a grossly negligent manner, chose to respond to the 1600 block of W. North Avenue, with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seat belt in the wagon, without rendering to or summonsing medical assistance for Mr. Gray.
Officer Goodson arrived at North Avenue to transport the individual arrested at the location of North and Pennsylvania avenues, at which time, he was again met by Officers Nero, Miller, Porter and Lt. Rice. Once the wagon arrived, Officer Goodson walked to the back of the wagon and again opened the doors to the wagon to make observations of Mr. Gray. Sgt. Alicia White, Officer Porter, and Officer Goodson observed Mr. Gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon.
Sgt. White, who was responsible for investigating two citizen complaints pertaining to Mr. Gray's illegal arrest, spoke to the back of Mr. Gray's head. When he did not respond, she did nothing further despite the fact that she was advised that he needed a medic.
She made no effort to look, assess or determine his condition. Despite Mr. Gray's seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered to or summonsed for Mr. Gray at that time by any officer.
After completing the North Avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the opposite side of the wagon containing Mr. Gray, Officer Goodson then proceeded to the Western District Police Station, where contrary to the BPD General Order, he again failed to restrain Mr. Gray in the wagon for at least the fifth time. At the Western District Police Station, the defendant arrested at North Avenue was unloaded, escorted, and secured inside of the police station prior to attending to Mr. Gray.
By the time Officer Zachary Novak, Sgt. White and an unknown officer attempted to remove Mr. Gray from the wagon, Mr. Gray was no longer breathing at all.
A medic was finally called to the scene, where upon arrival, the medic determined that Mr. Gray was now in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured."
(This is from public, Government Documents, so not subject to copyright rules)
More: Statement of Charges in Freddie Gray case Maryland News - WBAL Home
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The list of charges against Baltimore officers - The Washington PostI read he was arrested for having a switchblade, but that it was, in fact, not a switchblade, only a pocket knife.
Where did you read that?
Not much info on this case has been released to the public.
Umm... yes, it was.
Prosecutor says no reason to arrest Freddie Gray - Business Insider
Again where was the information released in print? Where is the report on this?
And as always I am correct because not much information has been released on this case.
We have the word of a person and not a report for all to read..
Kosh is crybabying.
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I said hard time not the screwed up PC system we have now. Prison and the thought of being sent to one must scare people straight. You can't get through to everyone but we can do better than we are now. Prison doors are like rotating doors. We need to make it a hell hole.Prison time doesn't seem to 'break the thug' out of anyone. In fact, it just makes it worse.Freddie didn't break his own neck someone broke it for him. I'm a far right wing conservative and pro cop but these cops were wrong from the get go. You don't arrest someone for a pocket knife but once you do, that person is in your care and must get to the station in one piece. I think one or more of these cops are guilty of murder. Probably the driver of the wagon. That being said...Cops are human and they get tired of arresting the same people over and over again. Maybe if Freddie were in jail where he should have been giving his record he would still be alive today. Stop letting felons out of jail early and give them enough hard time behind bars to break the thug out of them or a thug will just be back on the streets endangering himself and others.
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The state and fed pens are hell holes.
We need to end private prison corporations and decriminalize most drugs.
We need to end private prison corporations and decriminalize most drugs.
Pheonixops
Proud Liberal
Don't be so hard on yourself, I find you quite funny.LOL, thanks for the laugh!LOL, it's not "gotcha questions", it's just QUESTIONS.You do know that manslaughter and other charges were included, right?
Yeah? And? The most serious and major of the charges is 2nd degree murder. I've been watching the coverage all week. You can take your "gotcha" questions elsewhere. If you're gonna charge someone with 2nd degree murder, you're gonna have to prove it.
If you read the beginning line of my post you will clearly see I said "charges" not "charge." That clearly shows I was aware of the other indictments.
Perhaps it will do you some good to read each and every word of a post before you launch your criticisms or your "questions." Okay?
There's nothing funny about being a troll.
This might change things. Don't knock the source until you read it. Sean Hannity isn't the greatest platform, but that is a real Baltimore cop being interviewed.
FOX NEWS BOMBSHELL Freddie Gray tested positive for HEROIN and POT cops saw him DEALING DRUGS The Right Scoop -
If the cops "saw him dealing drugs", why wasn't he arrested for that?
What relevance does any possible drug use of his have to do with anything?
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This might change things. Don't knock the source until you read it. Sean Hannity isn't the greatest platform, but that is a real Baltimore cop being interviewed.
FOX NEWS BOMBSHELL Freddie Gray tested positive for HEROIN and POT cops saw him DEALING DRUGS The Right Scoop -
If the cops "saw him dealing drugs", why wasn't he arrested for that?
What relevance does any possible drug use of his have to do with anything?
Because it means if they saw him selling/exchanging drugs, they had probable cause to arrest. Yes, they would have. They wouldn't just arrest someone for no reason just to kill them so callously as some claim.
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