CDZ Prostitution, why should it be illegal?

[cnm]

That's because you [sunsettommy] don't understand what human rights are, and you don't think humans are worthy of having them.

Apparently you don't think sex workers deserve the protection of civil, criminal and labour laws. Or they are not human, either/or.

 

[cnm]

No, it's illegal because it's a human rights violation to traffic humans. Even on a rent by the hour basis.

What if humans are not trafficked?

 

[Sunsettommy]

When two adults have sex for free, it is good!!!

When two adults have sex for $$$, it is good!! but illegal...…

Two consenting adults having sex is NEVER illegal, but when $$$ is involved between the same two consenting adults, it is suddenly illegal.

The illogic of making prostitution illegal has always astounded me. The sheer waste of police resources, the quick court decision, the use of jails then back on the streets for more of the same, a circular show.

The entire legal system on prostitution is pure illogic.

That's because you don't understand what human rights are, and you don't think humans are worthy of having them.

You're one of those who believes that there is nothing special about humanity, that human life is not sacred or worth defending, that we should never defend vulnerable people who are being exploited, abused, or killed unless it has an immediate effect on YOU personally.

Ha ha ha,

where did I say we can use, abuse or kill anyone?

I was talking about two CONSENTING people.

Human Rights are based on FREEDOM:

From the U.N.

"What Are Human Rights?
Human rights are rights inherent to all human beings, regardless of race, sex, nationality, ethnicity, language, religion, or any other status. Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination."

Having Consensual sex doesn't violate anything on the list, adding a $50 bill still doesn't.

Yes, it does.

You have no idea how silly you look since two people (adults) meeting freely consensually without pressure agree to have a one night stand for money doesn't violate anything.

Yes, it does. Which is why by and large, prostitution is illegal.

"Prostitution is incompatible with human dignity and human rights. Universal Human rights cannot be achieved unless this common understanding is respected and upheld."

International law defines prostitution as a human rights violation

Who decides what is compatible, the U.N. or the mature adults who does it freely?

The U,N. wants to FORCE everyone to live by THEIR idea of human dignity, which some people have made clear is irrelevant or ignored., which the U.N. doesn't care about. Until the day comes when there are no more penalties against paying for consensual adult sex, there will always be a lot of jails filled with women and men too, who often have NO rights because it is illegal in the first place.

Have you studied how the MOB use "illegal" prostitution practice to their benefit, they get caught over and over, but persist in it because of the massive amount of money they get out of because it is illegal.

Have you studied how the underworld love having Prostitution, Narcotic Drugs and unlicensed beer be made illegal, by governments,. It greatly increase their power, profit and control over their victims. Meanwhile because governments made all this illegal, they waste billions every year trying to stop something that is IMPOSSIBLE to stop because of the benefits the criminal underworld receives from it. Also there is a level of corruption to help keep their end game going.
Prostitution will never be stopped, but it can be modified to get most of the criminal profitability out of it.

 

[cnm]

Per the UN, who leftist fools idolize:

"The Parties to the present Convention agree to punish any person who, to gratify the passions of another:

(1) Procures, entices or leads away, for purposes of prostitution, another person, even with the consent of that person;

(2) Exploits the prostitution of another person, even with the consent of that person."

That's about third parties.

 

[cnm]

"...Article 6 States Parties shall take all appropriate measures, including legislation, to suppress all forms of traffic in women and exploitation of prostitution of women."

CEDAW 29th Session 30 June to 25 July 2003

Third parties, again.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Legalization has been an unmitigated disaster.

The red light district of Amsterdam could soon be a distant memory – here's why

Legalization simply did not work over the long term.

The future of successful prostitution does not involve actual prostitutes.

Brothels dumping prostitutes in favour of sex robots as latest model 'moans'

 

[cnm]

Per the UN, who leftist fools idolize:

"The Parties to the present Convention agree to punish any person who, to gratify the passions of another:

(1) Procures, entices or leads away, for purposes of prostitution, another person, even with the consent of that person;

(2) Exploits the prostitution of another person, even with the consent of that person."

OHCHR | Convention for the Suppression of the Traffic in Persons

You can't have it both ways.

Fuck the UN.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Prostitution has been legal here in all but two Nevada counties for several hundred years. The ladies make their own choices and are not forced in any way. They make decent money and some raise families. They are checked for health. The brothels pay taxes.

I see no reason why that cannot work everywhere in the USA.

There are countries overseas where prostitution is legal, and guess what? They are pretty much what you said the Nevada ladies were.

In the red light district of Catania Sicily when I was there, it was kinda neat, because for about a 3 square block district, there were brothels and independents (brothels were large buildings, while independents worked out of single room places), and, when you walked into the girls room, she would show you her medical ID card. If it wasn't current, you had the right to stop there and leave, but if you were satisfied with her card, you continued to conduct business.

I talked with some of them, and they said that they paid for their physical, took it to the place that issued the cards, and got their cards updated every month. Additionally, it was probably one of the safest places in the city, because it was patrolled by both the city police and the state police. If anyone stepped out of line, they were immediately arrested and taken to jail.

And, it was kinda cool to go by at around 5:00 pm, because that is when the girls arrived and opened up shop. You would see a whole bunch of taxis with women in regular clothes and duffel bags, they would go up to their door and unlock it and step inside. About a half hour later, they opened the door and placed a chair next to it, and they sat there in really nice lingerie. By 8:00, the place was open for business and would be crowded until around 12:00, and it would taper off until the zone closed at 1:00 am. Then, it was the reverse, the women in lingerie went inside, and came out a bit later, back in their street clothes.

Was kind of an interesting place. Even had a bar or two in the area.

 

[Unkotare]

It is beyond disgraceful that some people seem to care so little about the hell that victims of this crime have to live through. Make no mistake, legalization of prostitution only creates MORE such victims. Some people apparently just don’t fucking care.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Does Legalized Prostitution Increase Human Trafficking? by Seo-Young Cho, Axel Dreher, Eric Neumayer :: SSRN


And the victims of trafficking are invariably the youngest and most vulnerable.

Prostitution is already illegal in 49 1/2 states, yet we have a big problem with Sex Trafficking anyway, how do you explain it?.

 

[dblack]

What are the debates for prostitution being illegal which don't involve religious objections? We can test the workers for disease, we can tax it, what willing people do doesn't concern me.

Before I sound too much like what our Tea Party fellows pretend to be, I don't support drugs besides alcohol and pot being legal. You just can't have ppl running about on PCP. But if they could go rent a whore instead of getting high life would be better.

Right?

Prostitution is illegal because people want to force their values on others with government.

No, it's illegal because it's a human rights violation to traffic humans. Even on a rent by the hour basis.

Slavery is, and should be, illegal. If the transactions are voluntary, trying to outlaw them is just forcing your values on others.

That's what we have laws for. To force people who would otherwise abuse and exploit people to NOT abuse and exploit people. That is the purpose of a law...to prevent the violation of human rights.

It's the primary purpose that our own government is supposed to serve. To protect people from human rights violations that would otherwise be perpetrated against them either by other people, or the government.

I don't agree. The primary justification for government is to protect freedom. We have laws to protect individual rights not "human rights". We have government to protect us from harm, not "exploitation". There's a reason why liberals want to swap out these terms.

 

[danielpalos]

Make your free appointment for full body massage with happy ending, chics; don't be prostitutes!

 

[dblack]

And people can argue that it isn't *consensual* if it's a service. As soon as someone pays for something, it becomes theirs.

In this country, you can't own a person or their body. You can't rent it. We don't do human trafficking, sex trafficking, slavery.

The left is seeking to change that, and they made tremendous strides during the Great Trafficker's regime...Obamites are proud to defend human and sex trafficking. That's how we were subjected to the invasion of human traffickers, drug traffickers, arms traffickers, and child sex traffickers, that the left calls "dreamers".

But the reality, and the truth is thus...trafficking in humans is a human rights violation.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Lets see how you reply to this.

A 25 year old man on Main Street seeks to have an afternoon, meets a 22 year old woman around the block, who also wants sex and consents to have it with him.

Both happy for the pleasant afternoon goes back to their apartments. Life goes on,no one complains about it, the police stays at the station eating their doughnuts.

Contrast with this:

A 25 year old man on Main Street seeks to have an afternoon, meets a 22 year old woman around the block, who also wants sex and consents to have it with him.for $50.

oh my god!!! Sex trafficking is ongoing at Apartment door 666, call the cops!

Throw both in jail for the damaging effect of payed consensus sex!

All this over a $50 dollar bill.

That is what I call absurd.

Never have I said I supported sex trafficking, sex slavery of forced prostitution.

When two adults do it consensually, peacefully, with money or no money their rights are never violated. It is when they are FORCED into it, then their basic human right has been violated.

The way the UN views it, a woman who takes money for sex is being exploited because she is female, and desperate.

And according to the UN and other human rights organizations, it is an appalling abuse of human rights.

It's like the #1 purpose that human rights organizations serve..to protect women from being exploited and victimized because they have to earn money..either to buy drugs, or to support their families.

Per usual, the left illustrates how little they value life..particularly female life.

So earning money = being exploited.

If the government says so. Or so some would have it.

 

[Sunsettommy]

It is beyond disgraceful that some people seem to care so little about the hell that victims of this crime have to live through. Make no mistake, legalization of prostitution only creates MORE such victims. Some people apparently just don’t fucking care.

Forced Prostitution has been illegal since 1910,

The Mann Act

Yet today Sex Trafficking is a big problem despite that prostitution has been illegal for 118 years in all but 1/2 of one state.

 

[cnm]

Make no mistake, legalization of prostitution only creates MORE such victims. Some people apparently just don’t fucking care.

Prostitutes here cared that it be legal. So did Helen Clark, the Prime Minister. They now have the protection of civil, criminal and labour laws whereas before they were harassed by law enforcement.

 

[koshergrl]

It is beyond disgraceful that some people seem to care so little about the hell that victims of this crime have to live through. Make no mistake, legalization of prostitution only creates MORE such victims. Some people apparently just don’t fucking care.

Forced Prostitution has been illegal since 1910,

The Mann Act

Yet today Sex Trafficking is a big problem despite that prostitution has been illegal for 118 years in all but 1/2 of one state.

And in that 1/2 of one state, underaged sex trafficking is a GIGANTIC problem.

Because they bring underaged kids from other states to work where it's *legal*. Johns don't check ID.

 

[Sunsettommy]

It is beyond disgraceful that some people seem to care so little about the hell that victims of this crime have to live through. Make no mistake, legalization of prostitution only creates MORE such victims. Some people apparently just don’t fucking care.

Forced Prostitution has been illegal since 1910,

The Mann Act

Yet today Sex Trafficking is a big problem despite that prostitution has been illegal for 118 years in all but 1/2 of one state.

And in that 1/2 of one state, underaged sex trafficking is a GIGANTIC problem.

Because they bring underaged kids from other states to work where it's *legal*. Johns don't check ID.

If true that is bad, but you haven't shown the evidence.

Meanwhile what about ALL the other states?

 

[longknife]

Prostitution has been legal here in all but two Nevada counties for several hundred years. The ladies make their own choices and are not forced in any way. They make decent money and some raise families. They are checked for health. The brothels pay taxes.

I see no reason why that cannot work everywhere in the USA.

Combating underage sex trafficking in Las Vegas

Prostitution is illegal in Clark County.

 

[longknife]

Prostitution has been legal here in all but two Nevada counties for several hundred years. The ladies make their own choices and are not forced in any way. They make decent money and some raise families. They are checked for health. The brothels pay taxes.

I see no reason why that cannot work everywhere in the USA.

That's a lie.
Nevada has a HUGE underaged sex trafficking problem BECAUSE it's legalized.

You have no idea what you're posting.

 

[koshergrl]

It is beyond disgraceful that some people seem to care so little about the hell that victims of this crime have to live through. Make no mistake, legalization of prostitution only creates MORE such victims. Some people apparently just don’t fucking care.

Forced Prostitution has been illegal since 1910,

The Mann Act

Yet today Sex Trafficking is a big problem despite that prostitution has been illegal for 118 years in all but 1/2 of one state.

And in that 1/2 of one state, underaged sex trafficking is a GIGANTIC problem.

Because they bring underaged kids from other states to work where it's *legal*. Johns don't check ID.

If true that is bad, but you haven't shown the evidence.

Meanwhile what about ALL the other states?

I cited national stats.

Underaged trafficking is a bigger problem in areas where prostitution is legal.