Proof of that there is one God

[Mohamed]

1. Determinism, in science, is the argument that the physical universe is completely described by its Physical Laws.

(This is not the exact same as the philosophical/metaphysical argument of determinism as found in some theological thought and even some politics. But there is a weak relationship between the two.)

But the nature of subatomic particles as studied in Quantum Mechanics shows that there is no possible model for a Physical Law that described the behavior being observed.


2. Let me give you a textbook to get you started, since I am assuming you have at least a background in Differential Equation's(Some PDE text only handle linear some PDE, and non-linear PDEs is treated with kids gloves.)

A basic text on the general theory is Perko's Differential Equations and Dynamical System's

(I think a person with just a back ground in ODE would not have a problem with this book!--However, you may need some things from Point-Set Topology because the book tends to skim over its treatment. Get a Schaum's outline and refer to it when necessary).

From here, you can actually begin to tackle Alan Turing's research directly(In fact, you should be able to tackle a whole lot more after 3 chapters of Perko's book).

Get your hands on any works by Turing's that looks at biological systems. Since the mathematics Turing is using is basically covered in Perko, the only thing left to do is to ask the question "Is it really necessary for an intention to lie behind the coupling of any two or more systems--especially given that the systems are so 'close' to each other to begin with?"


I am trying to find a specific paper on how cheetah's get their spots and another about how an appendage could have formed using simple yet coupled linear PDE's. That may take some time to dig up.

3)For the first part, in referring to Turing, all one has to ask is where do you get the necessary chemicals and compunds to form a computer out of salt?

Of course you could say "That is what I am asking!!" but you are making reference to two things with two entirely different chemical make ups. I mean, you can't go from, say NaCl to a Silicon compund just by shaking a salt shaker. Although there may have been attempts, Turing's work has largely been held to the Classical Framework such as Biological systems.

For the second part, there exist a famous example in the early history of Quantum Mechanics that is analogous to what I stated--

"How does a cannonball, shot point blank at a glass window, can land on the other side without shattering the glass?"

Right now, I am having some real problems recalling the experiment where the analogue takes place. I think it is is either related to the particle-wave nature of matter or how an highly energetic particle/photon can pass through a solid object without deflection.(I wonder if i one and the same)

Again, I have to get back to you on this one.

thank you for the book! may be i got an overview of it!

but if the book tells me that that a box of sand can be converted to a processor by shaking, i may ask the author to revise it!

 

[amrchaos]

OK--for 3)

It was actually the Rutherford gold foil experiment and I missed phrased it.

It should be "How do you explain shooting a cannonball at a thin piece of tissue paper and having it deflected back at you?"

No where is that the same thing, yet it shows the counter intuitive nature of QM.

 

[THE LIGHT]

The deity of Judaism is the deity of Christianity and Islam. Get over it. Sheesh.

No, it is pretty simple.

Allah has no son = not the same god.

Jesus already told us the god that the Pharisees serve was Satan

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(John 8:39-44 KJV)

And we know according to the 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia:

With the destruction of the Temple (70 A.D.) the Sadducees disappeared altogether, leaving the regulation of all Jewish affairs in the hands of the Pharisees. Henceforth, Jewish life was regulated by the Pharisees; the whole history of Judaism was reconstructed from the Pharisaic point of view, and a new aspect was given to the Sanhedrin of the past. A new chain of tradition supplanted the older priestly tradition (Abot 1:1). Pharisaism shaped the character of Judaism and the life and thought of the Jew for all the future.

 

[THE LIGHT]

WOW ! Just WOW !

One of the more ignorant posts I've seen in a very long time.

Appears THIS one took a few too many shots to the head in his early skool daze.



I am starting to wonder is this so-called muslim is a plant just to make them seem more ignorant than they are.

How does someone THIS stupid get ahold of a computer and an account?

Naw... Mr Mohammed HAS to be some jokester straight out of one of OUR ultra right wing organizations...

ORRRrrr...... just one of your garden variety Christians..

Or maybe he represents who he says he represents, but you are just in denial.

 

[THE LIGHT]

The fact that there is God and that he is only one is obvious and simply proved, it is independent of any religion.

we should first consider three points:

1) The universe is constrained by fixed laws, all beings dead or alive are constrained by these law.

2) The world is very complicated and well designed system, it should be designed by alive and capable entity.

3) The complicated systems in this world sustain to work, even with the many sources of degradation and randomness.

these three points leads directly to the conclusion that the world is created, supervised and constrained by an alive entity which shouldn't be constrained by any physical laws (otherwise it is part of the world not the creator of it).


why this entity should be unique?

assume it is not unique, and there is many entities that are unconstrained by any physical laws.

it is either one of them is more (stronger) than the others that means those others have constraints put on them by the stronger entity..... but this means they are not really unconstrained entities, they are like any other living being that are constrained.

or no one of them is more stronger than the others so every one of them is constrained by the others, but this means none of them are unconstrained.

in the two cases (or any other cases you can think of) there is a contradiction with the assumption that they are unconstrained.

so there is only one entity....... The God ..... Allah.

Allah is not constrained by any physical law, he is the creator, supervisor of all world including earth, skies, galaxies and every thing. The laws that govern this world is imposed by God.

Muslims pride themselves in the fact that they don't have to answer the question "why didn't you believe in the prophet Mohamed and his teachings."

My question to you. When you face God and he asks you "Why did you believe the prophet Mohamed and his teachings" What will you answer? If Mohamed is supposedly second in command to God how is it he took orders from an angel?

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[Hollie]

The deity of Judaism is the deity of Christianity and Islam. Get over it. Sheesh.

No, it is pretty simple.

Allah has no son = not the same god.

Jesus already told us the god that the Pharisees serve was Satan

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(John 8:39-44 KJV)

And we know according to the 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia:

With the destruction of the Temple (70 A.D.) the Sadducees disappeared altogether, leaving the regulation of all Jewish affairs in the hands of the Pharisees. Henceforth, Jewish life was regulated by the Pharisees; the whole history of Judaism was reconstructed from the Pharisaic point of view, and a new aspect was given to the Sanhedrin of the past. A new chain of tradition supplanted the older priestly tradition (Abot 1:1). Pharisaism shaped the character of Judaism and the life and thought of the Jew for all the future.

It's even simpler than you let on. Islam is the perfection of your corrupted religion as delivered by the final messenger of the gods.

Lots of people say so, so it must be true.

Convert and submit to Allah.

 

[sealybobo]

The deity of Judaism is the deity of Christianity and Islam. Get over it. Sheesh.

No, it is pretty simple.

Allah has no son = not the same god.

Jesus already told us the god that the Pharisees serve was Satan

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(John 8:39-44 KJV)

And we know according to the 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia:

With the destruction of the Temple (70 A.D.) the Sadducees disappeared altogether, leaving the regulation of all Jewish affairs in the hands of the Pharisees. Henceforth, Jewish life was regulated by the Pharisees; the whole history of Judaism was reconstructed from the Pharisaic point of view, and a new aspect was given to the Sanhedrin of the past. A new chain of tradition supplanted the older priestly tradition (Abot 1:1). Pharisaism shaped the character of Judaism and the life and thought of the Jew for all the future.

It's even simpler than you let on. Islam is the perfection of your corrupted religion as delivered by the final messenger of the gods.

Lots of people say so, so it must be true.

Convert and submit to Allah.

Actually, Mormon is the one true religion. They say that the connection from Jesus to his disciples to the modern day Pope was severed at one point in history so today Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, etc do not have the authority from God anymore. The chain was basically broken during the dark ages.

But not so with Mormons. God talked to Joseph Smith in 1800 and Joseph Smith passed on the authority to the person who ran the church after he died or retired, and that person passed the baton, and so on and so on until today the leader of the LDS has that authority and the chain from when God talked to Joseph Smith to today has never been broken.

So traditional Christians may have the right intentions but they are following a false church.

Ah the Messiah good old Joe Smith from Utah.

 

[The Irish Ram]

"Slow to anger and merciful"?

How ignorant can Xians be?

Perhaps it is time that you read through the Old Testament from beginning to end.
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Studying it would be more fruitful. Our Father was in a state of continual mercy and forgiveness toward His children. He protected them, freed them, disciplined them, forgave them, made substitutes for covering their sin, loved them and provided for them. He walked with Adam and Eve, He was in the ark with Noah. He was warmth in the desert nights and shade during the day when He removed the Jews from Egypt.
Then they turned Him into their judge. Then His Son took our judgement from us, so that a judge was no longer necessary. A Judge is just. Our Father would rather just love us. Christ gave us our Father back. He is everything we need. Accept Christ and re-pent. (Return to the penthouse, where you belong.)

 

[Mohamed]

Review of reaction diffusion systems:

please read at
Reaction diffusion system - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I will consider the system called (Two-component reaction–diffusion )

the system that I consider according to the reference is a two substances that coexist into some volume and undergoes two phenomena:
1) diffusion: in which spatial transportation of the two substances occurs due two concentration gradients
2) chemical reactions: in which the two substances react together to produce one of them

The system is described by two partial differential equations in the form:

time rate of change of concentration of substance A = concentration gradient induced part + chemical reaction induced part.

the second part in RHS varies depending on the chemical reactions involved.

under some conditions on the form of chemical reaction part, starting with a spatially random mix of the two substances , the system will evolve to a state in which the two substances are spatially separated.
the topological structure of the two separated substances is dependent on the reaction part formula and initial conditions.

 

[Mohamed]

I find this thread a bit funny......

#2) Alan Turing has presented numerous works on how two distinct systems can interact and create complex systems that seems highly efficient(but, at times, can be highly unstable!!).

In short, his work can be used as a counter-example to the idea that "complexity" and/or seemingly 'well designed" structures is proof for intelligence. It is possible that those "structures" can arise due to unintended interactions to different systems.

(A shorter version of what I am saying: Complexity and/or Order are not proof of intentions by an intelligent being and hence cannot be used as proof for a God)

It seems that the reaction-diffusion system I reviewed later is an example for what you mean.
in this case, this is my comment:

remarks:
1) there are many approximations/simplifications in the model such as:
a) the system is modeled as a coupled two stationary partial differential equations (not stochastic), hence the randomness inherent especially in diffusion process is neglected.
b) the system assumes the concentration is a continuous (not discrete) function of x,y, while in fact the matter is discrete.
c) the type of phenomena modeled can't model all living-cell structure/functions since the living cell (i am not specialist in this but i know some basics) nuclei contains DNA which is of mostly discrete nature.
d) for a desired resulted pattern, the reaction term in the PDEs should be selected intentially with suitable initial conditions.

conclusions:

1) the claim that the reviewed system represents a case in which a working system can replicate itself and functions forever is false, the many approximations/simplifications in the model may lead to such a result only in theory.
but in reality, the randomness and other real factors will cause any real working system modeled by such system to degrade with time.

2) the claim that a complex structure could be developed from a (simpler) system can't be proven by such a system.
The reason is that the initial state of the system can be considered to be as complex as the developed states. The complexity in (composition/interaction) was transformed to another form of spatial grouping of the two substances where each (group area) is simpler (mainly one substance) than the initial.

in fact the patterning phenomena highlighted in this model is observed in other areas like the the formation of (grains) in ferrous alloy steel during phase changes.

 

[The Irish Ram]

"Let there be light".....the Spirit moved..........BOOM. The bang was a reaction, not the beginning. Something changed to cause the bang. There was an action, that caused nothing to bang into nothing. The action was God's Spirit, His power pac, moving.
All of the technicalities, quantum theories, and equations, and physics, and science and dimensions we discover, were used by God to create. For us.
God initiated gravity, Newton explained it to us. Einstein didn't create time, He included it. And all of it existed before scientists did.

 

[Mohamed]

Muslims pride themselves in the fact that they don't have to answer the question "why didn't you believe in the prophet Mohamed and his teachings."

My question to you. When you face God and he asks you "Why did you believe the prophet Mohamed and his teachings" What will you answer? If Mohamed is supposedly second in command to God how is it he took orders from an angel?

1) Allah is the only God. All other beings including angels and humans and jinns are slaves of allah. This includes all prophets and messengers.

2) The Messenger Mohamed (peace upon him) is a slave of allah and is a human like any other human. But allah chose him to inform humans with Allah's orders to them.

3) angels are neither male neither female. they have no such property.

4) There's evidence for that Mohamed (peace be upon him) is Allah's messenger, I may talk about this later. This discussion is about the fact that Allah is the only one God.

5) I shall ask you why you believe that there are 3? what is your evidence or proof? or just you depend on the bible?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Allah promotes death to achieve peace on earth.
God's Son, Jesus, promotes love, and life.

 

[THE LIGHT]

Muslims pride themselves in the fact that they don't have to answer the question "why didn't you believe in the prophet Mohamed and his teachings."

My question to you. When you face God and he asks you "Why did you believe the prophet Mohamed and his teachings" What will you answer? If Mohamed is supposedly second in command to God how is it he took orders from an angel?

1) Allah is the only God. All other beings including angels and humans and jinns are slaves of allah. This includes all prophets and messengers.

2) The Messenger Mohamed (peace upon him) is a slave of allah and is a human like any other human. But allah chose him to inform humans with Allah's orders to them.

3) angels are neither male neither female. they have no such property.

4) There's evidence for that Mohamed (peace be upon him) is Allah's messenger, I may talk about this later. This discussion is about the fact that Allah is the only one God.

5) I shall ask you why you believe that there are 3? what is your evidence or proof? or just you depend on the bible?

Being a slave for eternity? What a dismal existence. But your description of Allah is rather spot on for what the "god" of this world (Satan) has to offer, and that is bondage and slavery to sin. He offers only fleeting lustful pleasures such as 72 virgins which are only an illusion at best.

For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
(Romans 8:24-25 KJV)

The only one true God, YHWH has so much more to offer you. His promises for you are not mere earthly pleasures or treasures which can corrupt away but rather are incorruptible and life transforming. His desire for you is to be restored as a son and to receive your inheritance as his son. YHWH gave his only begotten Son to be beaten, scourged, mocked, spat on, rejected, and to take upon himself every sin, sickness and judgement so that you might be free from sin (not in bondage to it), shameless, guiltless, and be called his son once again. In the eternal house of one true living God we are joint heirs with Christ. In order to be saved you must accept that you are a sinner, that you cannot earn salvation on your own, and that through YASHUA (whose name means salvation and wholeness) and YASHUA alone you are saved.

As for Mohamed the "prophet", by your very own definition that "Mohamed ... is a slave of allah and is a human like any other human" there is no reason why he should be treated more special than any other muslim. The problem is, he is. Therefore, if he was only a messenger, why was the angel not used as a messenger instead. Why did the angel have to tell Mohamed what to say and how does this make Mohamed more special than any other muslim?

 

[Hollie]

"Let there be light".....the Spirit moved..........BOOM. The bang was a reaction, not the beginning. Something changed to cause the bang. There was an action, that caused nothing to bang into nothing. The action was God's Spirit, His power pac, moving.
All of the technicalities, quantum theories, and equations, and physics, and science and dimensions we discover, were used by God to create. For us.
God initiated gravity, Newton explained it to us. Einstein didn't create time, He included it. And all of it existed before scientists did.

"... because I say so."

 

[Hollie]

Allah promotes death to achieve peace on earth.
God's Son, Jesus, promotes love, and life.

Except for those humanity-wiping events and serial mass murders that accompany the promotion of love and life.

 

[BillyP]

The teachers aren't allowed to hit students, only cowards do that. Both my children did fine at school without being beaten. We live in a civilized society, you know, like with toilet paper and toothbrushes.

good luck with your children, i hope they be good people in the future.

but it seems not all americans are civilized like you:

Nineteen States Allow Teachers to Spank Children Smart News Smithsonian

So you admit that people who hit women and children aren't civilized?

Anyways, in most of Islam, the girls aren't even allowed to go to school. You one of those? Or you just beat them?

 

[Mohamed]

The teachers aren't allowed to hit students, only cowards do that. Both my children did fine at school without being beaten. We live in a civilized society, you know, like with toilet paper and toothbrushes.

good luck with your children, i hope they be good people in the future.

but it seems not all americans are civilized like you:

Nineteen States Allow Teachers to Spank Children Smart News Smithsonian

So you admit that people who hit women and children aren't civilized?

Anyways, in most of Islam, the girls aren't even allowed to go to school. You one of those? Or you just beat them?

Devout muslims cares well for their children, wives, sisters, brothers and parents. Islam has a system of rights for every family member. you can admire any theory. but the Islamic regulations works very well in practice.

I don't support any wrong behaviors or excessive-violence between family members, those who do such things are blamed on behalf of themselves.

devout muslims don't drink wine, take care of their parents, grow their children up and learn them islamic ethics and educate them in the best way they can. devout muslim women are bashful, cares for their children and husbands and parents.

if you think that the bad action of excess violence with wives is in middle east only, you are wrong. just search in youtube or google to find how many western women are beaten in a wild unhuman way.

not all people in the middle east are devout muslims, in the same manner as not all americans are devout christians. if you are really interested in understanding islam you should try to have some direct experience of devout muslim families.

 

[newpolitics]

The fact that there is God and that he is only one is obvious and simply proved, it is independent of any religion.

we should first consider three points:

1) The universe is constrained by fixed laws, all beings dead or alive are constrained by these law.

2) The world is very complicated and well designed system, it should be designed by alive and capable entity.

3) The complicated systems in this world sustain to work, even with the many sources of degradation and randomness.

these three points leads directly to the conclusion that the world is created, supervised and constrained by an alive entity which shouldn't be constrained by any physical laws (otherwise it is part of the world not the creator of it).


why this entity should be unique?

assume it is not unique, and there is many entities that are unconstrained by any physical laws.

it is either one of them is more (stronger) than the others that means those others have constraints put on them by the stronger entity..... but this means they are not really unconstrained entities, they are like any other living being that are constrained.

or no one of them is more stronger than the others so every one of them is constrained by the others, but this means none of them are unconstrained.

in the two cases (or any other cases you can think of) there is a contradiction with the assumption that they are unconstrained.

so there is only one entity....... The God ..... Allah.

Allah is not constrained by any physical law, he is the creator, supervisor of all world including earth, skies, galaxies and every thing. The laws that govern this world is imposed by God.

That wasn't a syllogism, and suffers from a four-term fallacy (syllogisms can only have three), and your conclusion doesn't follow necessarily from your premises. Try again.

 

[Mohamed]

Muslims pride themselves in the fact that they don't have to answer the question "why didn't you believe in the prophet Mohamed and his teachings."

My question to you. When you face God and he asks you "Why did you believe the prophet Mohamed and his teachings" What will you answer? If Mohamed is supposedly second in command to God how is it he took orders from an angel?

1) Allah is the only God. All other beings including angels and humans and jinns are slaves of allah. This includes all prophets and messengers.

2) The Messenger Mohamed (peace upon him) is a slave of allah and is a human like any other human. But allah chose him to inform humans with Allah's orders to them.

3) angels are neither male neither female. they have no such property.

4) There's evidence for that Mohamed (peace be upon him) is Allah's messenger, I may talk about this later. This discussion is about the fact that Allah is the only one God.

5) I shall ask you why you believe that there are 3? what is your evidence or proof? or just you depend on the bible?

Being a slave for eternity? What a dismal existence. But your description of Allah is rather spot on for what the "god" of this world (Satan) has to offer, and that is bondage and slavery to sin. He offers only fleeting lustful pleasures such as 72 virgins which are only an illusion at best.

For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
(Romans 8:24-25 KJV)

The only one true God, YHWH has so much more to offer you. His promises for you are not mere earthly pleasures or treasures which can corrupt away but rather are incorruptible and life transforming. His desire for you is to be restored as a son and to receive your inheritance as his son. YHWH gave his only begotten Son to be beaten, scourged, mocked, spat on, rejected, and to take upon himself every sin, sickness and judgement so that you might be free from sin (not in bondage to it), shameless, guiltless, and be called his son once again. In the eternal house of one true living God we are joint heirs with Christ. In order to be saved you must accept that you are a sinner, that you cannot earn salvation on your own, and that through YASHUA (whose name means salvation and wholeness) and YASHUA alone you are saved.

As for Mohamed the "prophet", by your very own definition that "Mohamed ... is a slave of allah and is a human like any other human" there is no reason why he should be treated more special than any other muslim. The problem is, he is. Therefore, if he was only a messenger, why was the angel not used as a messenger instead. Why did the angel have to tell Mohamed what to say and how does this make Mohamed more special than any other muslim?

Anyone can admire any theoretical ideas that seems appealing to him, some people may think they can sleep at their homes and the money will fall from the sky.
unfortunately, although this idea seems appealing, This doesn't work in practice. so you should be concerned with finding out facts not by formulating facts in the way appealing for you.

all of us are slaves for allah, irrespective of your opinion about this.

your objection about the Messenger be a human is very old in fact. The unbelievers asked the Messenger this question from 1400 years.

(وَقَالُوا لَنْ نُؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى تَفْجُرَ لَنَا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ يَنْبُوعًا (90) أَوْ تَكُونَ لَكَ جَنَّةٌ مِنْ نَخِيلٍ وَعِنَبٍ فَتُفَجِّرَ الْأَنْهَارَ خِلَالَهَا تَفْجِيرًا (91) أَوْ تُسْقِطَ السَّمَاءَ كَمَا زَعَمْتَ عَلَيْنَا كِسَفًا أَوْ تَأْتِيَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْمَلَائِكَةِ قَبِيلًا (92) أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِنْ زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَى فِي السَّمَاءِ وَلَنْ نُؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّى تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَقْرَؤُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّي هَلْ كُنْتُ إِلَّا بَشَرًا رَسُولًا (93) وَمَا مَنَعَ النَّاسَ أَنْ يُؤْمِنُوا إِذْ جَاءَهُمُ الْهُدَى إِلَّا أَنْ قَالُوا أَبَعَثَ اللَّهُ بَشَرًا رَسُولًا (94) قُلْ لَوْ كَانَ فِي الْأَرْضِ مَلَائِكَةٌ يَمْشُونَ مُطْمَئِنِّينَ لَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَلَكًا رَسُولًا (95)
sura israa

(And they say, "We will not believe you until you break open for us from the ground a spring.
Or you have a garden of palm tress and grapes and make rivers gush forth within them in force
Or you make the heaven fall upon us in fragments as you have claimed or you bring Allah and the angels before [us]
Or you have a house of gold or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, "Exalted is my Lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?"
And what prevented the people from believing when guidance came to them except that they said, "Has Allah sent a human messenger?"
Say, "If there were upon the earth angels walking securely, We would have sent down to them from the heaven an angel [as a] messenger."
)

by the way can you explain to me the status of moses and other prophets? were they angles or humans?